Help me with my sex/relationship problems

Xorrd

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I need some help with my sex life. What you are about to read is a long and sad story, but I hope that some people will read it and give me some much-needed advice.

First of all, the players in this tragedy:

Me. I have a fairly strong sex drive, and ideally would have it three times a week or more. Although my fantasy life is active, I don't feel the need to act out all those fantasies (a good example is that I am turned on by the idea of having two women at once, but in reality I wouldn't want to share my wife even with another woman). The main thing that I need in order to get turned on is reciprocation - in other words, I really need my lover to want me in return. I cannot get excited about someone who doesn't want me, no matter how attractive she is.

My wife. Her sex drive is much less than mine - she would probably be satisfied with once every two weeks. Everything else, you'll learn about as I tell my story.

Both of us were sexually inexperienced when we met. We enjoyed a fun and frequent sex life while we dated, and things were great. To this day neither of us has ever had a sexual partner besides each other.

Shortly after we were engaged, my wife became ill and this naturally impacted our sex life. She took medication that lessened her sex drive and upset her stomach. Sometimes intercourse was acutely painful for her. We dealt with it as best we could, and by the time we were married she was (mostly) doing better.

The honeymoon ended rather quickly. It became difficult to have sex with my wife, as some slight nerve damage due to her illness and subsequent surgeries had resulted in places where she really couldn't stand being touched - on her face and around her breasts, specifically. My offers of sexual contact started being met with refusal. She hardly ever "started things up" any more, though there were some notable and memorable exceptions. Never very adventurous in bed, she seemed to have little interest in trying anything new. The one "fetish" that she indulged in was occasionally allowing me to tie her up, which I didn't particularly enjoy (see above about my need to have a willing partner - the bondage act was actually a turn-off for me).

Her illness, which is chronic, flared up. She underwent surgeries and spent a lot of time hospitalized. The result was that we grew closer as a couple but more distant as lovers. She became very self-conscious about her scars and refused to wear any of the exotic lingerie I had bought for her, even the ones that covered her scars. She complained that she wanted to feel beautiful, not slutty, but since her definition of "beautiful" seemed to be something that covered her up completely, I stopped buying her lingerie.

When her illness went into remission, we decided to have a child. I was looking forward to the process of trying to conceive, but then we succeeded in two weeks. I hoped for the phenomenon that pregnant women sometimes experience when their sex drive goes way up during the second or third trimester, but it didn't happen. Naturally, after our child was born, we didn't have much time for sex.

By this time she was refusing my sexual advances almost continuously, and so I stopped offering them. After three months of clibacy, she discovered that something was amiss. We began to talk about how we could make things better. She explained that she wasn't comfortable initiating sex, and that she frequently just didn't feel up to it. I suggested that she could at least give me some kind of indication that she wouldn't be opposed to the idea.

Time went by, and we had sex about once or twice a month. I began spending a good amount of time surfing for internet porn to curb my appetite. The sex itself was boring and fairly consistant in tone. Generally, she would just lie there. I asked what would turn her on and she said that all she really wanted was to be "romanced". Candlelight and soft music were no problem, but it was (and is) difficult for me to talk to her during sex. She wanted me to say thing like "I love you, I cherish you. You mean the world to me. I'm incomplete without you, my only love." While I do feel these things, I just can't spout that kind of poetry when I've got a raging hard-on. She said that she can't understand why I would have to think about it, and that if I can say things like "you're so hot, I want to fuck you hard" then I ought to be able to say something more deep and meaningful that turns her on. Of course I can, but then I go soft because I'm thinking about what I need to say instead of enjoying the moment.

Another hospitalization took its toll.

By this point, I was pretty much resigned to the idea that I wasn't going to be getting any. We had another "long talk" and she admitted that she really didn't feel the need for sex. I was equally honest, telling her that even when we had sex, it was boring for me. I want her to be flirtatious, a little more daring, a lot more willing and definitely more open about her wants. What she wants from me, I still don't know because she can't seem to tell me.

The situation today: We just aren't having sex. I satisfy my own needs wholly by jerking off to the internet (I will NOT have an extramarital affair). She, as far as I can tell, doesn't have any sexual needs. The situation is taking its toll on our marriage. Our anniversary is coming up, and I have no idea whether I even want to try and have sex with her because (a) there's a better-than-even chance she'll turn me down, and (b) even if we do, it'll feel like an obligation.

I should mention that other than problems with sex, we have a very good and compatible relationship. We are open with each other, keep no secrets, and very much in love. If we weren't we'd just divorce and that would be the end of it, but it is an option that neither of us could bear to contemplate.

So there it is. I have no idea what to do. I'm actually holding back tears as I type this because it's so unbearably frustrating. Can anyone offer advice?
 
I'm no expert here in any way. But I think if I were in her situation, I'd have a lot more on my mind than sex and be extremely distracted by other things and not wanting it. I kind of get the feeling that she's doing it with you because she loves you, even though she's not enjoying it. This may be something where she might want to consider talking with her doctor about. I know if I had some sort of chronic illness, I woudlnt exactly be thrilled about the idea of sex. Not to mention that surgery in itself would be enough to make me think twice about it and even look at it in a different light (no matter where the surgery was at).

I think maybe you should take a step back and try to see some things more from her perspective and keep in mind that her body is having things done to it that she never imagined would happen.
 
You sound like a very loving husband and i applaud you for taking your vows seriously. It also seems like you've been communicating about this problem all along. Since you're at an impasse, the only next step i can think of is to get outside help.

I know your wife is probably really tired of doctors at this point, but i think you should both visit the gynocologist together to see if everything checks out and to see if there is any way to lessen the pain and increase the enjoyment of sex for her. Then the doctor can refer you to a good marriage counselor. Most people wait until it's too late to see a marriage counselor and it does them no good...don't be one of those couples.

:rose:
 
You are the man

But a frustrated one....

Be patient.... I read enough to know you love that lady you are with...... be her support person, her best friend, and eventually, you will be her lover again.

I have a similar story to tell, and I spent many years in the sexual wilderness in my marriage... it's worth the effort.. 15 years of marriage, and my wife is my best friend.

Hang in there, life is not all about sex.

TC, and good luck

AL
 
Talk to her Dr. Ask for help/ideas.

Usually there is a reason for sexual wilderness syndrome in a marriage.

Low self esteem, self image problems, lack of communication. medication side effects, seemingly too busy, alienating your partner because you feel unloved, not sexy, emotional distance etc.


If you truly love your lady you will both try and figure something out.



There is nothing wrong with your wife enjoying being tied up.

I am more than willing to have this happen to me with my husband who I love and trust. It is a big turn on.
 
I too would advise a visit to the DR and then some therapy-this is a good thing you can both work it out.

It seems to me that your wife has told you see needs more romance and warming up. You both need to communicate your sexual needs better as to what turns you both on. Take her shoppping and find some nightwear that she feels makes her feel sexy, if you don't feel sexy you don't feel like sex either.

My husband and I just celebrated our 30 anniversary and we have been where you are at, sex just became a chore. This past January we decided we needed a jump start. We talked and found out we both wanted it more but were bored with our style or lack of. We explored lots of web sites to learn more about different ways to make love and also learned more about each others bodies. And we talked about what we wanted and what we liked. We don't always agree but we try new things, we surprised ourselves by learning what we though was a turn off was good once we let our selves go. The 15 minutes we used to put into our love making now can be several hours since we now know how to please each other and getting it over is not our goal anymore.
I was never one to start things up but now since I know my husband really desires me I feel comfortable with my far from perfect body and just a small thing like lighting a candle in our bedroom lets him know I am hot for him.
It is never too late to make a change in your sex life, you have to want to change it. We have alot more years left in us and I still want to be sexually motivated when we celebrate our 50 anniversary.
I hope you both can get things worked out between the both of you.
Honey
 
You sound like you and your wife have a very loving, honest marriage and that is a very positive achievement.

I think it was great the way you separated the idea that it is as lovers that you are distanced and not completely as husband and wife or best friends. Being close as lovers is an important part of any marriage, that's for sure - though what is more important is that you and your wife love each other, are in love with each other, are best friends, can communicate and are still committed to your marriage. You have all of these things and no matter how frustrating the sexual side of things may be at the moment, it would be far worse if you were great lovers but none of the above.

My thoughts as far as practical advice would be to go along, like some other people have suggested here, with the idea of seeing a doctor again to fully understand the implications of your wife's surgery and medical conditions on her body and therefore her sex drive. I have had several periods of low libido and I can understand the frustration you are talking about to a point because my husband felt similarly during these times. The last time I was like this I didn't even get ANY sensations physically at any time. I felt almost "dead" sexually and very numb. I can only imagine that after having been through the medical procedures your wife has, that she may feel like this as well.

I hope that people responding to your thread here will help you to feel like you are not alone in this and that it will also give you hope for your future with your wife sexually. It's a rough time for both of you and requires alot of patience and faith.

Loving thoughts..........
 
As I read your post my heart went out to you but I mostly saw a lot of hope. You have so many positives in the way of communication and a desire to please each other. My wife and I have gone through periods of low libido on both sides. Kids definitely put a crimp in the sex life. My wife had some medical issues that were temporary but it doesn’t sound anything like your situation. I think the best advice given here is to be patient and never give up.

That being said, here'ssome food for thought, much of which have been given:

1)Talk with the doctors and look into some counseling. They will know the side affects of her medications and should be able to suggest alternatives or supplements.

2)You have to make an effort to incorporate some romance. I don’t know if your situation lends itself to getting rid of the kids for the night, but that would be ideal. Your anniversary could be that day. There are lots of great suggestions on this site for being romantic (candles, scents, music, foods, etc). She is telling you what she wants here. You didn’t say that she minded you talking sexy or dirty so think about what you want to say beforehand and incorporate the two. Tell her that thinking about how incomplete you would be without her is giving you a raging hard on and the desire to fuck her hard. That might not be the best suggestion but you know what I mean. Her seeing you make the effort will probably turn her on.

3)Try to change your perspective of the bondage and look at from the standpoint that you are turning her on (which is what you want to do) and that she wants you and is enjoying it. Maybe this is her way of allowing herself to let go. Try incorporating both of your desires using this. Tie her up and then dress her in the exotic lingerie and make a role-play out of it. Flip through the BDSM forums for ideas.

4)Maybe try baths with oils and sensual massages. Keep reassuring her that her body is beautiful. Woman are sooo strange with this (as has been discussed many times on this site). I personally think that the best time to tell her that she is hot is when you’re not being sexual. Very briefly hijack another conversation and say something like “This just popped into my head and I’ve been meaning to share it with you. The other night I was leering at your body thinking to myself that if you could have the view that I have now you would never have any body issues again”. This is as exasperating as it gets but your wife is by no means unique here. My wife has a big scar from surgery that inhibits her from wearing some sexy things. Like your wife, she tries to hide her perceived flaws. It does take some creativity and negotiation but wearing sexy lingerie covered by a sheer (or sexy) robe or teddy can satisfy both of you.

5)Most importantly, be patient and keep trying. Like Honeydew, we have been married over 30 years and we too are going through a renaissance in our sexual lives. Just as our bodies change so do our minds. Things that were once a “turn-off” or that we didn’t even discuss are now a “turn-on”. Not everything works and we’ve had more than a few laughs at our ineptitude. The thing to keep in mind is that there is always something new or another twist to try or retry.

It sounds like you have so much working for you that I don’t think you can fail. It is critical to your success that you believe this too. Good luck.
 
BUMP

Just because this thread can turn into a very good one.

I am sure I will come back later with something to say, but for now, I just wanted to give the thread a boost.

My best wishes to you. :rose:

S.
 
I know everyone's said it already but go to see a doctor...

Don't worry about sex... you and your wife love eachother and while im sure it is frustrating for you she needs you to be there and support her which I can see you do from your post...

She is self concious about the scars so try to make her feel better about it... don't call attention to them... tell her things like how beautiful and loving she is rarther then how sexy and hot...

I knew someone in sort of the same situation she didn't want to be told what a sexy girl she was but wanted to be reasured that no matter what she thought, others didn't see the scars they saw a beautiful girl...

It will take time to get over this... it has been a big upheavle in her life and naturally she'd feel like she was unattractive... there are few people who can go through that and not i'd say... be she also sounds like a strong woman and given time, help and understand im sure you two can sort it all out...

Good luck and take care...
 
First of all, many thanks to those who have responded. Your advice and goodwill has been very comforting.

I have decided that I shall make an appointment to consult with a doctor and ask about the possible effects of both my wife's condition and the medications she's taking - I don't know if my wife's physician can give me that information due to confidentiality, but if I ask in the abstract ("what is a common side effect of this stuff?" as opposed to "what's this doing to my wife?"), I don't foresee a problem. I will also suggest to my wife that together we see a counselor about it in the hopes that we can get some meaningful discussion going.

There is a problem with that, in that over time I have developed something of a trust issue with doctors. One learns after dealing with a chronic illness (whether you're the patient or the patient's significant other) that doctors often don't have a clue what they're talking about. I have seen doctors and nurses make blatent errors in judgement that would make one afraid of ever visiting a hospital again. (Just to give examples, my wife on recent occasions had to stop a doctor from prescribing an antibiotic she is allergic to; had to stop a nurse from giving her blood of the wrong type; had to have her chart altered when a doctor indicated results of a test he had never ordered. We are currently pursuing a malpractice case against a surgeon who ignored the medical literature on a certain surgical procedure and nearly killed her as a result.) I don't want this thread to stray off topic too much, but the point is that I would have a hard time trusting a counselor to advise me on my sex life, and it's not really something one can ask one's friends to give a recommendation on.

The whole thing's going to have to wait a month or so while I take care of some other pressing business, but I will try to post to this thread again in the future and let everyone know how we do.

I am most grateful to see the postings from those who have successfully rekindled their sexual relationships after many years. It gives me a good deal of hope.

Thanks to you all!

- Xorrd
 
Xorrd- I read your first post and felt so moved by it.
I'd recommend seeing a dr you trust and askin his/her recommendation for either a marriage or a sex therapist in your area.
And for your anniversary- set up a typical candle light dinner, have the kid stay over with a friend, strew rose petals around, the whole nine yards. And do Not ask/press/suggest sex- just tell her she's beautiful and loving and you're the luckiest guy alive to have her at your side.
Yeah, most guys don't get off on the whole flower petals and candlelight, but they do get off on thier girl being happy. I'd go for that right now.

Read your second post and am shocked and appauled. Giving ABX that she's allergic to? Screwing up test results? Wrong BLOOD type? That would have killed her! No ifs or buts about it! What hospital system has she been in, if you don't mind my asking?
I wish you all the luck in the world on that malpractice suit!

Oh- before I forget, Welcome to Lit and thanks for posting in a readable format (not the unending sentence of death some people use).
Good luck.

Edited cause My proof reading sucks.
 
Hi Xorrd...

I read the second part of your post and like Vixandra was appauled by the treatment your wife got!!!

But back to the issue I wanted to say... Councellors are not like Doctors. I know you have good reason not to trust Doc's but councellors won't and can't proscribe medicins... all they will do is talk through your problems and offer advice on what is the best way forwards fo the two of you.

They will listen to your problems and let you get everything out with some helpful suggestions of what you could do and ways to help you wife regain her self essteem and comfort with her body...

So don't be afraid they will be anything like the Doc's you have come to untrust.

Take care of eachother and be happy!
 
Great advice here, and it's so nice to see all the support available on Lit.
Let me just add...other than the medical problems, I at one time, felt like your wife does. I had two children close together and honestly, sex was the last thing on my mind. It just felt like one last chore I had to do before I could finally sleep.
And he felt it, too. So he initiated sex less often because he didn't want to feel like a chore. He wanted me to WANT to make love to him. And sadly, nothing he could do or say could change the way he felt. And I felt like a piece of meat. That he didn't want ME, he just wanted SOMEONE. And I suspect with your wife's requeste for loving talk that she might feel the same way.
I wanted my husband to want to make love to me because he loved me, not because he wanted to have an orgasm. It felt like the orgasm was more important. But we talked and I realized that he wanted to feel wanted the same way I did.
Anyway, we worked things out and I rediscoverd my desire so all is well.
I'm so sorry for your wife's illness and all you've had to go through. But she's so lucky to have your understanding and support. I'm sure, if you continue to be as caring, understanding and loving as you have been, things WILL work out.
It's wonderful to see a GOOD husband! :rose:
 
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