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Luk said:
So when Iran creates the bomb and no other president in history allowed them to do that, it's the Dems fault?
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Well, the only thing Obama didn't for them was go to Iran and help them build the damn bomb, after all, payed for it with our money.
 
oggbashan said:
US aircraft carriers stopping Chinese trade on the high seas would echo the events that led to Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. It would be a declaration of war by the US, who has declined to attack China directly in the Korean and Vietnam wars, despite China's massive support of the forces fighting the US.
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Valid observation Og, but over fearful. But just what would it take for China to stick to an agreement, any agreement? China has been a mercantilist nation for 2,000 years and has never had any 'rule of law.' Breaking that mindset, the Chinese mindset that they can walk away from any deal that proves inconvenient will be extra-ordinarily difficult

I think that going straight to stopping ships would be excessively provocative at this stage but patrolling the area closely would be a clear statement to the Chinese which might be useful.

Trump has to up the ante, otherwise Xi will think he can outlast him. The worry is that with the idiot Bolton in Trump's ear, and the exit of Mattis and Kelly, any ante- upping will go too far to fast.

Tarriffs might be sufficient to produce an agreement but not one the Chinese will adhere to. Just another scrap of paper.
 
You won’t find any Iranian leader, politician or pundit saying that Iran should have nuclear weapons. They don’t want them.
 
Luk said:
How so? :cool:

Don't worry, no one expects you to give an honest answer.
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Just because you don't want to hear the honest answer, doesn't change the fact that it IS the honest answer.

In this particular case, you combined 2 different responses to 2 different posts and tried to make them seem as if they were the same topic just so you could talk shit.

Total fail.

Poor poor widdle lukie...
 
HisArpy said:
Just because you don't want to hear the honest answer, doesn't change the fact that it IS the honest answer.

In this particular case, you combined 2 different responses to 2 different posts and tried to make them seem as if they were the same topic just so you could talk shit.

Total fail.

Poor poor widdle lukie...
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Reasoning and comprehension are just not your thing, Rapey.
 
icanhelp1 said:
Well, the only thing Obama didn't for them was go to Iran and help them build the damn bomb, after all, payed for it with our money.
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This will be another one of the reasons that you aren't taken seriously. That was a buffoon post...You are a fox news talking point.


That money was NOT OURS, it belonged to Iran. There's plenty of places on the web other than Fox news that corroborates this story.

http://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/

In November 1979, Iran’s revolutionary government took 52 Americans hostages at the U.S. embassy, and the U.S. severed diplomatic relations with Tehran. In retaliation, Washington froze $12 billion in Iranian assets held on our shores. The hostage crisis was resolved in 1981 at a conference in Algiers, and the U.S. returned $3 billion to Iran, with more funds going either to pay creditors, or into escrow. The two nations also established a tribunal in the Hague called the Iran United States Claims Tribunal to settle claims both leveled by each government against the other, U.S. citizens versus Iran, and vice versa.

The major issue between the two governments was a $400 million payment for military equipment made by the government of the Shah of Iran, prior to the 1979 uprising that topped him. The U.S. banned delivery of the jets and other weapons amid the hostage crisis, but froze the $400 million advance payment. “The Pentagon handled arms purchases from foreign countries,” says Gary Sick, a former National Security Council official who served as the principal White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis. “Defense took care of the details. So the $400 million scheduled purchase was a government-to-government transaction. The U.S. government was holding the money. That’s why it was so difficult to resolve.”

By 2015, the issue stood before a panel of nine judges, including three independent jurists, who were reportedly near a decision on binding arbitration. According to Obama administration officials, the U.S. was concerned that the tribunal would mandate an award in the multiple billions of dollars. “The Iranians wanted $10 billion,” says Sick.”I estimate that the tribunal would have awarded them $4 billion. That’s what the lawyers were saying. It’s not as much as they wanted, but a lot more than we paid.”

So instead, the U.S. negotiators convinced Iran to move the dispute from arbitration to a private settlement. The two sides reached an agreement in mid-2015, at the same time as the U.S. and Iran reached a comprehensive pact on curtailing Iran’s development of nuclear weapons. The financial deal called for the U.S. to refund $1.7 billion to Tehran, consisting of the original $400 million contract for military equipment, plus $1.3 billion in interest.
 
Luk said:
You've been proven wrong dozens of times. GarbageCan feels sorry for you.
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Poor lukie.

It's not our fault you can't find a seat on the short bus. Really, it's not.
 
HisArpy said:
Poor lukie.

It's not our fault you can't find a seat on the short bus. Really, it's not.
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As opposed to someone like you who finds his seat on the short bus daily, window licker?

You're not good at this, dipshit.
 
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Luk said:
As opposed to someone likes you who finds his seat on the short bus daily, window licker?

You're not good at this, dipshit.
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dudly, the short bus has minimum standards of intelligence to get on board. You don't qualify. You've never qualified.

Which is why your mom had to hold your widdle hand and walk you to skool every day. Which had to be fucking embarrassing when you were 16. Not to mention that first "date" with your magazine cutout girlfriend at the time.
 
cowslinger64 said:
This will be another one of the reasons that you aren't taken seriously. That was a buffoon post...You are a fox news talking point.


That money was NOT OURS, it belonged to Iran. There's plenty of places on the web other than Fox news that corroborates this story.

http://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/

In November 1979, Iran’s revolutionary government took 52 Americans hostages at the U.S. embassy, and the U.S. severed diplomatic relations with Tehran. In retaliation, Washington froze $12 billion in Iranian assets held on our shores. The hostage crisis was resolved in 1981 at a conference in Algiers, and the U.S. returned $3 billion to Iran, with more funds going either to pay creditors, or into escrow. The two nations also established a tribunal in the Hague called the Iran United States Claims Tribunal to settle claims both leveled by each government against the other, U.S. citizens versus Iran, and vice versa.

The major issue between the two governments was a $400 million payment for military equipment made by the government of the Shah of Iran, prior to the 1979 uprising that topped him. The U.S. banned delivery of the jets and other weapons amid the hostage crisis, but froze the $400 million advance payment. “The Pentagon handled arms purchases from foreign countries,” says Gary Sick, a former National Security Council official who served as the principal White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis. “Defense took care of the details. So the $400 million scheduled purchase was a government-to-government transaction. The U.S. government was holding the money. That’s why it was so difficult to resolve.”

By 2015, the issue stood before a panel of nine judges, including three independent jurists, who were reportedly near a decision on binding arbitration. According to Obama administration officials, the U.S. was concerned that the tribunal would mandate an award in the multiple billions of dollars. “The Iranians wanted $10 billion,” says Sick.”I estimate that the tribunal would have awarded them $4 billion. That’s what the lawyers were saying. It’s not as much as they wanted, but a lot more than we paid.”

So instead, the U.S. negotiators convinced Iran to move the dispute from arbitration to a private settlement. The two sides reached an agreement in mid-2015, at the same time as the U.S. and Iran reached a comprehensive pact on curtailing Iran’s development of nuclear weapons. The financial deal called for the U.S. to refund $1.7 billion to Tehran, consisting of the original $400 million contract for military equipment, plus $1.3 billion in interest.
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Right wingers think if they repeat a lie enough times, it becomes true.

Nice job bitch slapping him with the truth.
 
zipman said:
Right wingers think if they repeat a lie enough times, it becomes true.

Nice job bitch slapping him with the truth.
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Thanks... but it will fall on deaf ears, I'm sure.


Hisderpy will soon be here to explain how that's fake news or some such idiocy.

I'm sure the bobbleheaded doll that I posted to will have anything to add.
 
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