Hillary Clinton is going to be the next POTUS

[Sean Renaud]

I deny that Obama is in anyway, shape or form anti-American.

 

[sr71plt]

No one denies that Obama is anti American,.

I strongly deny that Obama is anti-American. So, you wasted the rest of that rant, at least on me, because I didn't read it. Your premise is ridiculous and stupid, so no need to read anything that flows from it.

 

[JackLuis]

Originally Posted by urguyscott View Post
No one denies that Obama is anti American,.

I deny that Obama is anti-American. He is mostly pro-American business, but that is a questionable political position rather than a fault.
I would say that GW Bush was/is unprincipled. He saw nothing wrong in an unnecessary war and then he was unwilling to follow through with his justified military adventure in Afghanistan. He saw no reason to raise taxes to pay for his wars and left our economy in a horrid mess. He was stupid to not listen to his military advisors about how to handle the reconstruction of Iraq, but left it to his neo-con lackeys to completely mishandle that situation.

What I will criticize Obama for is his use of drones to wage an undeclared war on civilians. He should have to justify that in court, perhaps the Hague.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

wow! still hammering it home for Bush.................in the year 2028, "bbbbbut Bush"

I was pro the first Bush (both "President George B"s were living members of Yale University's exclusive Skull & Bones club, an undergraduate secret society famous for the post-graduation accomplishments of its members,,, Same as guy quoted in my sig), but was never behind & am still against the second. (In fact, is case I point to when saying how we don't want a 2nd President with same last name).

Mattered not, though, as I was unable to vote in election when his brother gave him the win he never received from the country.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Nate Silver is now giving Hillary 86.2% odds to win.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nate Silver is now giving Hillary 86.2% odds to win.

Goldman Sachs wins again!

 

[phrodeau]

Goldman Sachs wins again!

You know that Goldman Sachs would support both candidates if it could. Their rules won't let them donate to the Trump campaign because of Mike Pence. If Pence dropped out, they could bankroll Trump as well.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Nate Silver is now giving Hillary 86.2% odds to win.

And aint one of you twinkle toed cock suckers got the balls to bet on her.

 

[Hypoxia]

Nate Silver is now giving Hillary 86.2% odds to win.

Which is slightly higher than the 83.7% chance calculated by hard-eyed foreign gamblers reported at https://electionbettingodds.com/ but within margin of error. Major difference right now: Gamblers have Arizona trending Trompish today (it was Clintonish yesterday) while Silver has Clinton squeaking ahead there.

Whoever wins, Goldman Sachs wins. Does anyone expect Tromp to nationalize them?

 

[Hard_Rom]

I deny that Obama is anti-American. He is mostly pro-American business, but that is a questionable political position rather than a fault.
I would say that GW Bush was/is unprincipled. He saw nothing wrong in an unnecessary war and then he was unwilling to follow through with his justified military adventure in Afghanistan. He saw no reason to raise taxes to pay for his wars and left our economy in a horrid mess. He was stupid to not listen to his military advisors about how to handle the reconstruction of Iraq, but left it to his neo-con lackeys to completely mishandle that situation.

What I will criticize Obama for is his use of drones to wage an undeclared war on civilians. He should have to justify that in court, perhaps the Hague.

The International Court does not enjoy a full separation of powers, with permanent members of the Security Council being able to veto enforcement of cases, even those to which they consented to be bound. Because the jurisdiction does not have binding force itself, in many cases, the instances of aggression are adjudicated by Security Council by adopting a resolution, etc. There is, therefore, a likelihood for the permanent member states of Security Council to avoid the responsibility brought up by International Court of Justice, as shown in the example of Nicaragua v. United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice#Criticisms

 

[NeverEndingMe]

well, you are a fucktard retard that is a lazy asshole and needs entitlements to make ends meet because you are mentally fucked up to get a job

keep on living in mommies basement

Just accept it.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

well, you are a fucktard retard that is a lazy asshole mentally fucked up to get a job

Cut-&-paste to mirror as "Note to self."

 

[KingOrfeo]

Whoever wins, Goldman Sachs wins. Does anyone expect Tromp to nationalize them?

I wouldn't expect him to know what the word means.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

I wouldn't expect him to know what the word means.

I have a feeling he'd argue that, saying he uses rationalize when he looks at Melania's Billy Bush.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Which is slightly higher than the 83.7% chance calculated by hard-eyed foreign gamblers reported at https://electionbettingodds.com/ but within margin of error. Major difference right now: Gamblers have Arizona trending Trompish today (it was Clintonish yesterday) while Silver has Clinton squeaking ahead there.

Whoever wins, Goldman Sachs wins. Does anyone expect Tromp to nationalize them?

I think I'd join the Republicans in rioting in the streets if we nationalized a bank though.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I have a feeling he'd argue that, saying he uses rationalize when he looks at Melania's Billy Bush.

the only thing you retards care about is more welfare

 

[needit700]

Well allI can say

is if that happens we are D O O M E D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KingOrfeo]

is if that happens we are D O O M E D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What, if Clinton is POTUS? Dunno about that, it's really just more of the same. If the country could survive -- and thrive and prosper, which we did -- under the Bill and Obama administrations, why would a Hillary admin be scary?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

What, if Clinton is POTUS? Dunno about that, it's really just more of the same. If the country could survive -- and thrive and prosper, which we did -- under the Bill and Obama administrations, why would a Hillary admin be scary?

well, you will keep your welfare, slave. how did you obama sales get to become so fucking lazy and retarded?

God, you are such a fucking retard

 

[Setanta84]

What, if Clinton is POTUS? Dunno about that, it's really just more of the same. If the country could survive -- and thrive and prosper, which we did -- under the Bill and Obama administrations, why would a Hillary admin be scary?

Libya and basically every candid remark Clinton makes about foreign policy are the main things pointing to why she'd be much scarier as president than her husband or Obama. She's equal parts batshit insane and Bush-level myopic. Obama even pointed this out during the 2008 primary--and then made her Secretary of State, let her people staff his administration, and signed off on some of her worst ideas.

Really much of the stuff she says should make anyone roll their eyes when she makes the "unhinged" charge against Trump when unfavorably comparing him to herself, especially when invoking nuclear weapons fearmongering. She sounds like a James Bond villain who is leaning into being an Austin Powers villain when she speaks. We should use missile defense systems to aggressively militarily antagonize China and exert control over of the Pacific Ocean! We could totally obliterate Iran! The nuclear option should NEVER be off the table! If you want to talk to me for five minutes, I want ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

 

[phrodeau]

Libya and basically every candid remark Clinton makes about foreign policy are the main things pointing to why she'd be much scarier as president than her husband or Obama. She's equal parts batshit insane and Bush-level myopic. Obama even pointed this out during the 2008 primary--and then made her Secretary of State, let her people staff his administration, and signed off on some of her worst ideas.

Really much of the stuff she says should make anyone roll their eyes when she makes the "unhinged" charge against Trump when unfavorably comparing him to herself, especially when invoking nuclear weapons fearmongering. She sounds like a James Bond villain who is leaning into being an Austin Powers villain when she speaks. We should use missile defense systems to aggressively militarily antagonize China and exert control over of the Pacific Ocean! We could totally obliterate Iran! The nuclear option should NEVER be off the table! If you want to talk to me for five minutes, I want ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

Sooo... Hillary Clinton convinced NATO to bomb Libya, eh? Was this before or after the Senate resolution?

 

[Setanta84]

Sooo... Hillary Clinton convinced NATO to bomb Libya, eh? Was this before or after the Senate resolution?

For a mainstream media piece--especially one from the NYT--this does a good job of running through Clinton's role in successfully pushing for the Libyan intervention and illustrating why her basic thought process on foreign policy is dangerous.

Also, Clinton didn't mind taking credit for Libya--in a way that makes her look like a bloodthirsty maniac--before it turned into a clusterfuck.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Sooo... Hillary Clinton convinced NATO to bomb Libya, eh? Was this before or after the Senate resolution?

can you be ... more stupid?

 

[phrodeau]

For a mainstream media piece--especially one from the NYT--this does a good job of running through Clinton's role in successfully pushing for the Libyan intervention and illustrating why her basic thought process on foreign policy is dangerous.

Also, Clinton didn't mind taking credit for Libya--in a way that makes her look like a bloodthirsty maniac--before it turned into a clusterfuck.

Seems pretty clear from the NYT piece that it was Obama's decision to support NATO's military actions.

 

[Setanta84]

Seems pretty clear from the NYT piece that it was Obama's decision to support NATO's military actions.

He was the sitting President of the United States and it was ultimately his call, yes. That's the extent to which you can say that without doing pretty wild mental gymnastics.

The piece makes it very clear that Clinton was the main cheerleader for the Libyan intervention in the government. And she was the second most powerful person in the government. She had sway and used it to get a desired policy outcome.

Really, the capacity of Clinton supporters to give her complete credit for anything that does her public perception favors or bolsters her credentials AND absolve her of any responsibilities for the failures associated with a majority of her decisions without any sense of irony is just weird and sad.