How is all this Republican overreach going to play out in November 2014?

[RobDownSouth]

The lesson Viet vets taught America was to distinguish between the returning soldier and the architects of the war.

This is true, but it sorta got turned on it's head around 2003, when Ishmael, AJ and the boys accused anyone who didn't support Bush's pre-emptive war as "not supporting the troops".

 

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[dan_c00000]

Say what you want, my DD-214 looks better than wet pussy.



Yep and none of those had prolonged ground campaigns involving mass deployments of heavy armor or mechanized units.

Like I said, between Desert Storm and OIF/OEF it was sporadic and 9/10 times they will use airborne/air assault/air mobile unit's first in a crisis situation, and the first ones to put boots on the ground in a full on invasion/war.

And since WWII as far as the Army goes 82nd/75th/173rd and the 101st gets dibb's on the hole shot and ODA goes long before anyone else. Like I said if you spend enough time in any of those units you will get to have some fun.

Armor/mech? Not so much...not unless serious shit is hitting the fan or it just happens to occur next to one of our remote armored units (Germany/Korea), cost too much to move all that shit.

Everything I said was spot on, you would know that if you had a clue.



You can say it all day long but you have never proven my racism or poserness.

Everything you said was completely and totally wrong. You of course don't know it because you're a stupid racist but that's ground we've covered.

And what's "serious" shit? Does Mogadishu count (18 dead)? Does Grenada count (19 dead)? I'm guessing it's pretty serious to those families.

See that's how I know you're a piece of shit who makes stuff up. If you had actually been in the military you'd know that any deployment was serious. But since you're not you don't.

See you later, bitch.

 

[KRCummings]

Everything you said was completely and totally wrong. You of course don't know it because you're a stupid racist but that's ground we've covered.

And what's "serious" shit? Does Mogadishu count (18 dead)? Does Grenada count (19 dead)? I'm guessing it's pretty serious to those families.

See that's how I know you're a piece of shit who makes stuff up. If you had actually been in the military you'd know that any deployment was serious. But since you're not you don't.

See you later, bitch.

You're kinda stupid.


OK, that wasn't fair. You're really really fucking stupid.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Everything you said was completely and totally wrong. You of course don't know it because you're a stupid racist but that's ground we've covered.

How does being stupid or racist (first being opinion second you still can't prove) have anything to do with what was said?

And what's "serious" shit? Does Mogadishu count (18 dead)?

All SOCOM and air/leg units....there was no armor or even air support. Know why? Clinton didn't want to look bad for sending in A-10's and AC-130's to level that town so instead he let 18 US soldiers die and 80 of them get maimed to save his his political image, typical of your kind.

Does Grenada count (19 dead)? I'm guessing it's pretty serious to those families.

All air/leg/amphib(USMC) units....I win you lose b/c you don't know what you're talking about.

See that's how I know you're a piece of shit who makes stuff up. If you had actually been in the military you'd know that any deployment was serious. But since you're not you don't.

Nope sorry...that's simply not the case, some deployments for some MOS's are chill as fuck. Germany was pussy and booze 24/7 man.

See you later, bitch.

Yea...you always come back after I hand you your ass.

 

[dan_c00000]

You're kinda stupid.


OK, that wasn't fair. You're really really fucking stupid.

Coming from someone with an Ohio State avatar? Didn't your coach have a player that killed someone? Or get illegal tattoos? Or have your president "retire" because of all the scandals?

Also you shouldn't defend botnay. He's just a troll. And my bitch. If you'd like to be my bitch too please let me know.

 

[KRCummings]

Coming from someone with an Ohio State avatar? Didn't your coach have a player that killed someone? Or get illegal tattoos? Or have your president "retire" because of all the scandals?

Also you shouldn't defend botnay. He's just a troll. And my bitch. If you'd like to be my bitch too please let me know.

I didn't need any examples of your stupid but thanks anyway.

 

[dan_c00000]

I didn't need any examples of your stupid but thanks anyway.

I wasn't the one defending a well know racist "poser". Hey, remember this!





SI investigation reveals eight-year pattern of violations under Tressel


Story Highlights

Since 2002 at least 28 OSU players are alleged to have traded or sold memorabilia

Ex-Buckeye tells SI he and 'at least 20 others' swapped memorabilia for tattoos

Source tells SI that four Ohio State players traded memorabilia for marijuana




















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By George Dohrmann with David Epstein









The June 6, 2011, edition of Sports Illustrated

Gary A. Vasquez/USPresswire


Jim Tressel Resigns


The latest news and analysis from SI.com

SI Special Report: How deep scandal goes
STAPLES: OSU trying to shift the narrative
ROSENBERG: Tressel learns harsh reality
Podcast: Inside scoop on SI's investigation
Tressel resigns amid mounting evidence
Ohio State players, alums react to news
Pryor's license suspended | Probe on cars
OSU president Gee: AD Smith's job is safe
TRUTH & RUMORS: Buckeye Five going pro?
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SI Video





Inside SI's Tressel Investigation


What's Next For Ohio State?




Timeline of Tressel's NCAA Saga


Roundtable: Can College Sports Be Clean?




This story appears in the June 6 edition of Sports Illustrated. To purchase a digital version of the magazine, go here.

The character traits that have made Jim Tressel a successful football coach and a beloved figure in Ohio are numerous and frequently cited. Former NFL coach Tony Dungy has praised Tressel's "integrity" and said he is the kind of man you'd want your son to play for. Eddie DeBartolo, the former 49ers owner, has said that Tressel's "steady" demeanor and knack for relating to young men reminded him of Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh.

Tressel has often been described as senatorial, an adjective rarely applied to a football coach; in fact, one of his nicknames is the Senator. He has been lauded for his sincerity and his politeness, and people who admire his faith in God often mention the prayer-request box on the desk in his office at Ohio State.

The 58-year-old Tressel benefited from the fertile recruiting grounds of Ohio, but supporters always believed he got the most out of players because he was -- as the title of a 2009 book about him declares -- More Than a Coach. Under Tressel, the Buckeyes often sat together before meetings or at the start of practice for 10 minutes of "quiet time" to read about virtues such as humility, faith and gratitude. Tressel liked to say that his teams "play as hard as we can play" but also "respect as hard as we can respect."

Yet while Tressel's admirable qualities have been trumpeted, something else essential to his success has gone largely undiscussed: his ignorance. Professing a lack of awareness isn't usually the way to get ahead, but it has helped Tressel at key moments in his career. As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee. In 2003, during Tressel's third season in Columbus, Buckeyes running back Maurice Clarett was found to have received money and other benefits. Even though Tressel said he spent more time with Clarett than with any other player, he also said he did not know that Clarett had been violating the rules. A year later an internal Ohio State investigation (later corroborated by the NCAA) found that quarterback Troy Smith had taken $500 from a booster. It was the second time the booster had been investigated for allegedly providing improper benefits to a star player, but again Tressel said he had no knowledge of the illicit payment.

On Monday -- after months of turmoil during which he had first claimed to be unaware of violations in his program and then acknowledged that he had known about them -- Tressel resigned. (He had four years left on his estimated $3.5 million-a-year contract.) In his 10 seasons Tressel was the most successful coach in Columbus since Woody Hayes, having led the Buckeyes to three BCS title games, the 2002 national championship, a 9-1 record against Michigan and a winning percentage of 82.8%. But like Hayes, who was fired after hitting a Clemson player during the 1978 Gator Bowl, Tressel exits ignominiously, all of his many accomplishments tarnished. "After meeting with university officials, we agreed that it is in the best interest of Ohio State that I resign as head football coach," Tressel said in a statement. "The appreciation that [my wife] Ellen and I have for the Buckeye Nation is immeasurable." The school named Luke Fickell, 37, as interim coach for the 2011 season. The team's co-defensive coordinator and assistant head coach, Fickell is a Columbus native who played for Ohio State from 1992 to '96.

Tressel's most recent troubles began in December, when the Department of Justice, passing along information it had gathered in a raid while investigating the owner of a Columbus tattoo parlor for drug trafficking, informed Ohio State that at least six current players, *including quarterback Terrelle Pryor, had traded team memorabilia for tattoos or cash at the parlor. When those revelations became public, Tressel said he hadn't known what the players had done and expressed disappointment that they had not listened to what he called the "little sensor" inside them that knew right from wrong. Four of Tressel's highest-profile players were found to have committed major NCAA violations, yet the coach's supporters insisted that those were isolated incidents outside his control.

Then, on March 8, Tressel stood before TV cameras and confirmed a Yahoo report that he had been aware of the memorabilia-for-ink scandal and had not informed Ohio State officials when asked about it in December. Tressel said he had first learned that players were breaking NCAA rules almost a year earlier, in April 2010, when a Columbus lawyer e-mailed him. Rather than alert his superiors, as NCAA regulations require, Tressel said he "couldn't think" whom to tell. It was later reported that he had told one person, a hometown adviser of Pryor's. By ignoring his own "little sensor" and failing to be forthcoming, Tressel protected key players from being ruled ineligible for much of the 2010 season, in which the Buckeyes were a popular pick to reach the BCS championship game. (They ended up going 12-1.)

A failure to disclose potential violations is considered one of the NCAA's cardinal sins and almost always leads to a coach's dismissal or resignation. Yet Ohio State supported Tressel and continued backing him despite weeks of negative press and calls by prominent alumni for him to be replaced.

That support crumbled suddenly over Memorial Day weekend. Tressel was forced out three days after Sports Illustrated alerted Ohio State officials that the wrongdoing by Tressel's players was far more widespread than had been reported. SI learned that the memorabilia-for-tattoos violations actually stretched back to 2002, Tressel's second season at Ohio State, and involved at least 28 players -- 22 more than the university has acknowledged. Those numbers include, beyond the six suspended players, an additional nine current players as well as nine former players whose alleged wrongdoing might fall within the NCAA's four-year statute of limitations on violations.

One former Buckeye, defensive end Robert Rose, whose career ended in 2009, told SI that he had swapped memorabilia for tattoos and that "at least 20 others" on the team had done so as well. SI's investigation also uncovered allegations that Ohio State players had traded memorabilia for marijuana and that Tressel had potentially broken NCAA rules when he was a Buckeyes assistant coach in the mid-1980s.

Last Friday, SI informed Ohio State spokesman Jim Lynch of the new allegations and asked that Tressel be made aware of them. Lynch said the school would have some comment by the end of the day. No comment came, and on Saturday, Lynch told SI to contact Tressel's lawyer, Gene Marsh, for any response from the coach; Lynch also said he could not confirm that Tressel had been apprised of the new allegations. The implication was clear: Ohio State was distancing itself from Tressel. (E-mails from SI to Tressel and to Marsh and multiple phone messages for Marsh went unanswered.)

For more than a decade, Ohioans have viewed Tressel as a pillar of rectitude, and have disregarded or made excuses for the allegations and scandal that have quietly followed him throughout his career. His integrity was one of the great myths of college football. Like a disgraced politician who preaches probity but is caught in lies, the Senator was not the person he purported to be.


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2YkpPHXBP

 

[landslider2000]

People who toss around words such as "stupid" could post their own age, educ, vocation, and military background. But dare not.

Re memorials germane to N Ireland's troubles, there are many (vide, e.g., Leonard, Memorials to the Casualties of Conflict).

A welcome is not merely a parade. Did WW II vets stand in airports welcoming back Viet vets? No, but Viet vets did for Iraq/Afghan vets because they comprehended the symbolism.

The average WW II combat vet had 40 days in battle versus 5 times that much for Viet vets. Yet WW II vets who had been cooks looked down their noses at RVN 11 Bs down at the VFW.

The GI Bill, good after WW II, had been eroded by inflation by the 70s. There was an economic downturn 73-75 which affected unemployment. These issues, and many more, were simply ignored by the Legion and by folks such as Carter, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Mrs LBJ.

 

[RobDownSouth]

People who toss around words such as "stupid" could post their own age, educ, vocation, and military background. But dare not.

They "could" also post their bank account number, bank account PIN and social security number as well, theoretically.

I'm not sure what reluctance to share personal information has to do with expressing an anonymous opinion on a porn message board. You sure seem to fixate on that.

 

[KRCummings]

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2YkpPHXBP

Yeah, a 2 year old story about a football coach. That has everything to do with what anyone was saying here.

But you're not stupid.

 

[KRCummings]

People who toss around words such as "stupid" could post their own age, educ, vocation, and military background. But dare not.

Re memorials germane to N Ireland's troubles, there are many (vide, e.g., Leonard, Memorials to the Casualties of Conflict).

A welcome is not merely a parade. Did WW II vets stand in airports welcoming back Viet vets? No, but Viet vets did for Iraq/Afghan vets because they comprehended the symbolism.

The average WW II combat vet had 40 days in battle versus 5 times that much for Viet vets. Yet WW II vets who had been cooks looked down their noses at RVN 11 Bs down at the VFW.

The GI Bill, good after WW II, had been eroded by inflation by the 70s. There was an economic downturn 73-75 which affected unemployment. These issues, and many more, were simply ignored by the Legion and by folks such as Carter, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Mrs LBJ.

That's stupid. Or dumb if you prefer.
Anyone here can say anything. I could tell you I was Force Recon, have a PhD, work as swimsuit model and make millions a year. According to you that would have to be taken as truth. You have no way to discredit it after all.
Stop being a fucking idiot.

 

[Mrtenant]

Heard Barbara Bush is gonna give it a shot, why the hell not?

 

[landslider2000]

Nobody should post an SSN. Nor was that suggested. The point had more nuance.

Kids on the Internet toss around insults and act as if tens of thousands of posts on a porn BB form some academic/experiential credential.

These same people are terrified at the prospect of phoning, emailing, or in any other manner backing up their bluster.

There are a few worthwhile posts on this thread, but the thread will soon be sunk by anonymous kids with no credentials.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nobody should post an SSN. Nor was that suggested. The point had more nuance.

Kids on the Internet toss around insults and act as if tens of thousands of posts on a porn BB form some academic/experiential credential.

These same people are terrified at the prospect of phoning, emailing, or in any other manner backing up their bluster.

There are a few worthwhile posts on this thread, but the thread will soon be sunk by anonymous kids with no credentials.

LOL
http://picturehoster.info/images/50266559076848317367.jpg

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nobody should post an SSN. Nor was that suggested. The point had more nuance.

Kids on the Internet toss around insults and act as if tens of thousands of posts on a porn BB form some academic/experiential credential.

These same people are terrified at the prospect of phoning, emailing, or in any other manner backing up their bluster.

There are a few worthwhile posts on this thread, but the thread will soon be sunk by anonymous kids with no credentials.

I absolutely agree with you that the level of discourse on this board could theoretically be higher. I'm realistic enough, however, to know that that's not going to happen.

I'm not going to phone or email anyone to "back up my bluster". My personal business is my own. I've had two people here post personal information about me, my children and my in-laws. Why? Because they don't like my political opinions. I've seen Ish threaten to call people's employers for that reason. I've seen other posters actually follow through on these sort of threats.

Nobody is forcing you to post here. If you don't like the way a thread plays out, feel free to criticize it (I will note that that seems to be your primary contribution to threads nowadays) but don't take it personally when your suggestions on how/what people should post are cheerfully ignored.

 

[Liar]

Nobody should post an SSN. Nor was that suggested. The point had more nuance.

Kids on the Internet toss around insults and act as if tens of thousands of posts on a porn BB form some academic/experiential credential.

These same people are terrified at the prospect of phoning, emailing, or in any other manner backing up their bluster.

There are a few worthwhile posts on this thread, but the thread will soon be sunk by anonymous kids with no credentials.

What are your credentials?

Anyway, doesn't matter. I don't care if a poster is Stephen Hawking or Snooki. It's actually sort of refreshing to not know. If they post something stupid they post something stupid. If they post something smart they post something smart. Period.

 

[richard_daily]

Haven't you been paying any attention at all in this thread? Trouvere appears to a liberal in most respects, he and I agree on a lot of points, but I reject (at great length, with cites) his pseudoscientific racism.

Touvere is AJ.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Haven't you been paying any attention at all in this thread? Trouvere appears to a liberal in most respects, he and I agree on a lot of points, but I reject (at great length, with cites) his pseudoscientific racism.

If there is any scientific evidence that the races are equal in average intelligence and typical behavior I am unaware of it. Please post it.

Your cites merely repeated liberal cliches. My cites consist of documented facts.

 

[dan_c00000]

Nobody should post an SSN. Nor was that suggested. The point had more nuance.

Kids on the Internet toss around insults and act as if tens of thousands of posts on a porn BB form some academic/experiential credential.

These same people are terrified at the prospect of phoning, emailing, or in any other manner backing up their bluster.

There are a few worthwhile posts on this thread, but the thread will soon be sunk by anonymous kids with no credentials.

If we can't post stupid, anonymous shit what's the point of the internet?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Maintains arms.

As in "repairs"?

 

[KingOrfeo]

If there is any scientific evidence that the races are equal in average intelligence and typical behavior I am unaware of it. Please post it.

No, no, no switching around the burden of proof. Especially since I already have posted, many times and not in this thread alone, considerable evidence that all evidence to the contrary is bullshit. Now it's your turn to bring it, and, no, just calling No Child Left Behind a failure does not jump the bar.

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

I absolutely agree with you that the level of discourse on this board could theoretically be higher. I'm realistic enough, however, to know that that's not going to happen.

Yes, for some reason Litsters do not, on average, quite rise to the average general intellectual level of masturbating porn-fans worldwide.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yep...

Well, I guess someone's got to do it. Can't order a new tank every time the firing pin or whatever in the main turret-cannon wears out.