How many dead innocent children is your right to own guns worth?

[PoppingTom]

So you DO want to take my right to fuck myself up or do what I want?

I DO want you to read what I write and respond to that, rather than shout fire and brimstone about things you're imagine I could mean. Off course, that's impossible, as you decided to jihad against me.

And I think I made that clear: if you want to fuck up your country - do it. It would be the absolute certification of my superiority.

But maybe this is something only another American can make you understand for real.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It is your fault or more accurately our fault.

Criminals are not gods in the real world. They are men, the harder it is to legally get a gun the harder it is to illegally get a gun. It's really that fucking simple at the end of the day. And that's ignoring what we know psychologically about arms races.

 

[PoppingTom]

So shove your guilt up your ass and answer this, how many innocent children and innocent people's lives are worth your being so crippled by political correctness you would rather lay down and die than have someone think you're one of those 'gun nuts"?

Idiots.

Another example of providing a solution for a problem only you got because you stuck to that "solution".

We don't have that: your guns, your paranoia, your madness, your kids killing their parents by accident, your insecurity when going out, your underpaid police that is more into smacking Blacks and shooting people than fighting crime for real.

How much is it worth to get that ?

 

[JackLuis]

Switzerland has gun control.-
It is a form of gun control and one that works. Could it work in the US? Could the US introduce a well regulated militia?

We use to have a draft an that got most of our 18 year old some training. However it was inconvenient for the wealthy to have their sons education disrupted and a lot 'had infirmities' (see D Trump, D Cheney) and some used their Daddy's pull to get a choice NG slot ( See GW Bush) so they didn't have to do much.

I always thought Al Gore was a bit more honest, his Daddy just got him a slot in the Army News so while he did go to Viet Nam, he was a corespondent, not a rifleman.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I DO want you to read what I write and respond to that, rather than shout fire and brimstone about things you're imagine I could mean. Off course, that's impossible, as you decided to jihad against me.

Why so you can look down your nose at me and sneer?

And I think I made that clear: if you want to fuck up your country - do it. It would be the absolute certification of my superiority.

*shrug* I don't think we are fucking it up and I don't think your opinion that we are is certification of shit.

That also doesn't explain if you don't mind us doing so why are you so involved and emotionally invested in American issues?

But maybe this is something only another American can make you understand for real.

What? That we should adopt the German way of doing things because it's so much better than EVERYONE else?

I highly doubt it....

 

[DeYaKen]

That's imaginary land just like "Gun Free Zones"....they don't exist.

You've obviously never been to the UK. Being gun free is one of the things your countrymen love about the place.

 

[JackLuis]

"I'd rather be in London than Detroit!"

"I'd rather be in Amsterdam in the spring!"

 

[DeYaKen]

Hmm, let's see. If my two year old grandson is sleeping over and some piece of shit breaks into my house-like the piece of shit in Kentucky who stabbed a six year old boy to death-and I shoot him with the gun I legally own.

I say its worth it

It appalls me that you disgustingly weak pathetic asshats will stoop so low as to tell legit gun owners its our fault kids are dead.

Sign of the times in this castrated society.

Want my guns? Come take them. Because the fact is the nutbags and criminals will always get them, disarming law abiding citizens only make it easier for the animals to kill innocent people, including children because if they know any house they break into is defenseless nothing will stop them.

So shove your guilt up your ass and answer this, how many innocent children and innocent people's lives are worth your being so crippled by political correctness you would rather lay down and die than have someone think you're one of those 'gun nuts"?

Idiots.

For someone who writes stories you sure display a lack of imagination on this subject. An armed person, be it with a knife or a gun, will always have the advantage. His weapon will already be out and ready to use and he will expect to have to use it. You, on the other hand, will be surprised and maybe even asleep. If he thinks there is a danger of you shooting him he will kill you before you get out of bed.

You make the mistake that a lot of gun owners make, that it is only the innocent law abiding citizens that will have to give up their guns. That's not true, it applies to everyone.

Sure criminals will always be able to get hold of them, but when they have to buy them on the black market they become so expensive that a criminal has to be assured of making a lot of money before it is worth getting a gun for a job. If gun ownership is a crime the law can also impose much heavier sentences for criminals who carry arms. In the UK it can add fifteen years to the sentence.

The thing about gun control is that it can only happen with public consent. The people have to want it because in the long run it is the people who have to enforce it. The police can't possibly search every house etc. It relies on the public reporting people who are carrying. Unfortunately, for gun owners, the polls show that the majority of Americans want gun control so there is a good chance that it could work.

When it comes down to it the only justification for carrying a gun is "I like carrying a gun and it's my legal right to do so." That's OK. I can't pretend to understand it but it is your right. As long as you accept that protecting your right is also endangering your countrymen, that's fine.

What I object to is the attempts, of the gun lobby to justify the trade in devices that have one purpose, to kill people, and the constant assertion that gun control doesn't make the world safer.

In the end, it is for you people to sort it out. I can sit here in a country where even the police are not routinely armed and feel very safe. It doesn't stop my heart bleeding for all those poor souls who lose loved ones in the massacres. I just look at my TV and ask 'Why do they allow this to keep on happening?'

 

[PoppingTom]

*shrug* I don't think we are fucking it up and I don't think your opinion that we are is certification of shit.

Compared to Europe or other 1st world countries, you already are fucked up with your gun problematic, but yes, compared to 3rd world, there's still room for improvement. If this is your way to go - feel free to do it. But it's definitely not OUR way. I'm too superior to prove myself a lifestyle like this, and I don't see any benefits from that.

That also doesn't explain if you don't mind us doing so why are you so involved and emotionally invested in American issues?

Man, this is the Political Board, we discuss any politics there is. If you mind to talk about German politics (what you already did), feel free to do so, I'm fine with it, even with any probably ignorance from your side.

Different people from different countries do diferent things, and we talk about it. You're making a fool out of yourself alleging I can force you to anything.

Sorry that I'm not always stock-still in awe because Muricuh about shit you're talking. I can shit-talking, too, if this is your only way of conversation.

... we should adopt the German way of doing things because it's so much better than EVERYONE else?

Wrong, baby. We're not the exceptionalists here, and we don't mind to become. I see even the problems with that little exceptionalism the Britsk got, compared to Europe.

 

[PoppingTom]

"I'd rather be in London than Detroit!"

Truth is, without the crime and the economy problematic, Detroit would be a cool place. Nice buildings. The city of Motown.

 

[DeYaKen]

The US Gun Laws are an internal matter. Other countries should keep their noses out, right?

WRONG.
This is just one way that your totally unregulated arms trade impacts on the rest of the world

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/gun...in-iran-contra-scandal/#.VmtV7fxnaWE.facebook

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah, that's on France though. The US doesn't share a border with France so a gun that was purchased here has to be shipped over seas then smuggled into a country. That's on the EU. Which given whatever lax border laws are going there they probably should have unified their gun laws at some point. We have a simiar problem in the US. I can take an eight hour drive (less than really but I have a friend I stay with) to a much less regulated state and get damn near anything I please.