How many dead innocent children is your right to own guns worth?

[NeverEndingMe]

only the ignorant or retarded think/feel gun control will work


they can always drive guns up from the unsecured border aka Mexico

 

[DeYaKen]

only the ignorant or retarded think/feel gun control will work


they can always drive guns up from the unsecured border aka Mexico

So it works everywhere else in the world, but couldn't possibly work in the USA. I'll leave to others to say who is retarded with that argument.
One country in Europe has a free gun society, Switzerland. Under EU agreement, there are no border controls between Switzerland and the rest of Europe. Gun control still works. People see a person with a gun and they report it. The police turn up and take the gun to be destroyed and the owner to face charges.

The thing is, I can tell my neighbour that I don't want his dog shitting on my grass without worrying that he might come out and shoot me.

BTW gun ownership is declining in Switzerland.

 

[PoppingTom]

Places that disarm people but don't provide armed security of their own could be liable for damages. But that goes a little too far maybe. So just leave folks who want to be armed alone? No? Then 15,000 is my serious answer. Go fuck (or more appropriately cuck hardy har) yourselves. Your right to drive kills at least as much (nope way more 30k) a year. And yeah they're not perfectly comparable... billions of miles driven number of actual car owners vs rounds fired per anum or actual number of gunowners or some shit like that. But again serious answer: rights are not up for debate. Sorry not sorry. Same goes for magazine capacity.

Nobody, absolute nofuckingbody in the whole wide world, is going to take your right to fuck up yourself. Do what you want, it's your country, you have to live there.

OUR concern begins if you try to sell us a solution that isn't really one, for a problem only you got, because you're stuck to that "solution".

 

[DeYaKen]

Places that disarm people but don't provide armed security of their own could be liable for damages. But that goes a little too far maybe. So just leave folks who want to be armed alone? No? Then 15,000 is my serious answer. Go fuck (or more appropriately cuck hardy har) yourselves. Your right to drive kills at least as much (nope way more 30k) a year. And yeah they're not perfectly comparable... billions of miles driven number of actual car owners vs rounds fired per anum or actual number of gunowners or some shit like that. But again serious answer: rights are not up for debate. Sorry not sorry. Same goes for magazine capacity.

You still don't get it do you. Places that disarm people, disarm EVERYONE. Ergo there is no need for armed security.

If 15,000 is your serious answer then you'll be giving up your weapons pretty soon. check out the number of deaths due to shooting in the last fifty years.

The car argument doesn't even merit discussion. They are not devices specifically designed to kill.

Rights are always up for discussion, that's what brought the second amendment into being in the first place. It is an amendment, a change to the constitution. The constitution has been changed before, it can be changed again. It is up to you the people to decide, and you do that by discussion.

BTW here in the UK, not all guns are banned. A licenced hunting rifle is still allowed. However, our philosophy is that any hunter worth his salt can bring down a deer with a single shot, so that is all they get.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Numbers still lacking for any real justification for children deaths.

Not any more so than owning a swimming pool.

The numbers are microscopic and other people being fucking morons about owning one does not constitute government action against me for having one.....unless socialist fuckin' asshole that can't mind their own fuckin bidnizz.

No, but following every mass shooting, they seem to get air time, (especially when good old Chuck was their spokesman.) where they tell us all that the solution is more people with guns. The thing is, they do not reel off any evidence to back it up.

Only on FOX.......CNN, MSN, YNN....none of the other major news networks air pro gun anything.

Nobody, absolute nofuckingbody in the whole wide world, is going to take your right to fuck up yourself. Do what you want, it's your country, you have to live there.

Then why do you an every other foreign nation have their nose 3 feet up our fuckin' political pee hole??

OUR concern begins if you try to sell us a solution that isn't really one, for a problem only you got, because you're stuck to that "solution".

Fucking liar...

No one is trying to sell you shit, you got your fuckin' nose all up in M'urican bidnizz telling us we do it wrong....in fact that's about all you ever fucking do here.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You still don't get it do you. Places that disarm people, disarm EVERYONE. Ergo there is no need for armed security.

That's imaginary land just like "Gun Free Zones"....they don't exist.

 

[PoppingTom]

Then why do you an every other foreign nation have their nose 3 feet up our fuckin' political pee hole??

Because dumbfucks like you talking shit all day that makes me feel quite superior.

I admire your somewhat altruistic reasons to do so.

 

[cfuhrer]

One country in Europe has a free gun society, Switzerland.

Gun control still works. People see a person with a gun and they report it. The police turn up and take the gun to be destroyed and the owner to face charges.

Those two statements contradict each other.

You cannot have a free society with summary and automatic confiscation.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

So it works everywhere else in the world, but couldn't possibly work in the USA. I'll leave to others to say who is retarded with that argument.
One country in Europe has a free gun society, Switzerland. Under EU agreement, there are no border controls between Switzerland and the rest of Europe. Gun control still works. People see a person with a gun and they report it. The police turn up and take the gun to be destroyed and the owner to face charges.

The thing is, I can tell my neighbour that I don't want his dog shitting on my grass without worrying that he might come out and shoot me.

BTW gun ownership is declining in Switzerland.

omg, you are one of those idiots. you can't compare the USA to other counties. its like saying this rock is similar to a orange and must taste just as yummy.

secondly, uncle obama can't keep drugs out of a "secure" federal prison so who will uncle asshat obama keep guns out of America?

ps we have Mexico and that border is as solid as Swiss cheese

 

[NeverEndingMe]

in the great land of Obamaville aka Chicago, who will protect the people from the police?


you need to turn off the MSNBC and come back to Reality ....

You still don't get it do you. Places that disarm people, disarm EVERYONE. Ergo there is no need for armed security.

If 15,000 is your serious answer then you'll be giving up your weapons pretty soon. check out the number of deaths due to shooting in the last fifty years.

The car argument doesn't even merit discussion. They are not devices specifically designed to kill.

Rights are always up for discussion, that's what brought the second amendment into being in the first place. It is an amendment, a change to the constitution. The constitution has been changed before, it can be changed again. It is up to you the people to decide, and you do that by discussion.

BTW here in the UK, not all guns are banned. A licenced hunting rifle is still allowed. However, our philosophy is that any hunter worth his salt can bring down a deer with a single shot, so that is all they get.

 

[Hard_Rom]

only the ignorant or retarded think/feel gun control will work


they can always drive guns up from the unsecured border aka Mexico

We have you guys south of us across an undefended border. Many of our illegal guns come from the US, a well known gun owning nation. And yet we still manage to keep a lid on guns. You guys have 10X our population too. If our citizens really desired guns they could easily procure them from the US. But we don't. We could but we don't.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

You take a Canuck and a Yank to Europe or even UK. They can't tell the difference unless Yank is deep deep south. Any Canadian can pass for a northern Yank in the US. Take away guns and our crime rates are close enough to not bother comparing. Take away guns and our cultures are virtually identical. Put guns back in and your crime numbers skyrocket. Mirrors rates of ownership compared to Canada.

It is possible! The great USA can't even police itself? I don't like your right wing politicians much, I hate your guns and racial divides but aside from that there is not much different between us. Canada treats it's natives abysmally, we have dirty oil and pollute, we sell arms to authoritarian states, we have a rich/poor divide, half of us don't want Muslim refugees.

But we don't have citizens and children dying by the hundreds and thousands by our own selfish and petty delusions of our rights.

Gun control does work!

 

[DeYaKen]

Those two statements contradict each other.

You cannot have a free society with summary and automatic confiscation.

They contradict each other because you have edited what I said. Deliberately cutting out the bit that says it is the rest of Europe that has gun control. Switzerland doesn't. As was said in my full post despite there being an open border between Switzerland and the rest of Europe, gun control still works because the public want it to work. It is against the law to own anything but a shotgun or a single shot hunting rifle. Anyone who does own one is a law breaker and, therefore, a villain. The public have no qualms about reporting them. Penalty is up to fifteen years in gaol plus the confiscation and destruction of the weapon.

You really do yourself no favours trying to distort what I said. My original post was just above it so everyone could see what you did.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because dumbfucks like you talking shit all day that makes me feel quite superior.

I admire your somewhat altruistic reasons to do so.

So you DO want to take my right to fuck myself up or do what I want?

You can't have it both ways dummy....

You can't not care because it's our country yet be in here running your superior German lips about how we SHOULD be running it. I think you feel your superiority entitles you to tell Americans how they should run their country, because that's pretty much all you do on here.

 

[DeYaKen]

in the great land of Obamaville aka Chicago, who will protect the people from the police?


you need to turn off the MSNBC and come back to Reality ....

I live in reality. I don't need to be protected from the police because they don't have guns either. Nobody needs a gun when no one else has one.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Switzerland has gun control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
What they have is a proper well regulated militia. It is the culture in Switzerland males know and expect to be trained for the military. If America wants to keep it's guns this is how it should be done. Switzerland has a high ownership rate and low crime.

Switzerland does not generally allow concealed weapons unless to those employed in the security industry. But you will see a militia member with an unloaded gun going to his training session.

It is a form of gun control and one that works. Could it work in the US? Could the US introduce a well regulated militia?

 

[DeYaKen]

omg, you are one of those idiots. you can't compare the USA to other counties. its like saying this rock is similar to a orange and must taste just as yummy.

secondly, uncle obama can't keep drugs out of a "secure" federal prison so who will uncle asshat obama keep guns out of America?

ps we have Mexico and that border is as solid as Swiss cheese

Of course, You can compare the USA with other countries They are all made of the same stuff. People are people are people deep down they all want the same things (read about Maslow hierarchy of needs) The difference is that other cultures have learned how to feel important without a weapon in their hand. Give your countrymen the chance and they will learn that too.

No matter who your president is, it won't be them that makes gun control work, it has to be the people. According to the polls, a majority of your people want gun control. It is your politicians who don't. I have to ask myself why, but as one of your broadcaster likes to say "Follow the Money"

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I live in reality. I don't need to be protected from the police because they don't have guns either. Nobody needs a gun when no one else has one.

you don't live in reality. you stated the ignorant comment 'it works in Europe'

so you are a rock eater. its just that simple.

 

[DeYaKen]

you don't live in reality. you stated the ignorant comment 'it works in Europe'

so you are a rock eater. its just that simple.

There you go again, can't find an argument so you resort to personal abuse. Is that why you need a gun?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Sadly we have too many of the obama kind as well as illegals here.

if someone can enter the country illegally I'm sure that they can drive a van full of ak-47s into American.

let's face reality, government is filled with a bunch of inept people that can't find real jobs. do we really want to rely on them for safety and protection?

with this new shooting in AK ... clearly I wouldn't put it past the obama to think he's Bruce Willis and go 'The Siege' on us

yes, obama is that dangerous

Switzerland has gun control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
What they have is a proper well regulated militia. It is the culture in Switzerland males know and expect to be trained for the military. If America wants to keep it's guns this is how it should be done. Switzerland has a high ownership rate and low crime.

Switzerland does not generally allow concealed weapons unless to those employed in the security industry. But you will see a militia member with an unloaded gun going to his training session.

It is a form of gun control and one that works. Could it work in the US? Could the US introduce a well regulated militia?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

There you go again, can't find an argument so you resort to personal abuse. Is that why you need a gun?

dude, you compared a rock to an orange. do you eat rocks? There is nothing to defend on my side, I won the argument. its just that simple.

 

[Paul_Chance]

It sets of an interesting dynamic tension - if "1" is enough to support an argument, it then cuts both ways to me.

"If banning all guns saves 1 life - it's worth it."

"If requiring all adults to be trained and armed saves 1 life - it's worth it."

Same logical structure, different clauses.

As for training - it is possible to deliver the same level of training to civilians as received by police. Most police training is not in gun fighting, but rather in the law and the many other tasks they are supposed to engage in.

It's legal to pass a law that says "yes, you may own and carry a gun - if you complete x hours of training and demonstrate proficiency with your weapon". However, the requirement must not significantly impede the ability to exercise the right - which is why most states that have any training requirement simply require completion of a safety and basic proficiency test, if that.

Depending on state standards, the real training received ranges from a low of 40 hours (Louisiana) to a high of 70 hours (Illinois). Most states require an additional 8 to 16 hours a year in refresher training and practice.

Here in CA PC 832 is the POST requirement for Arrest & Firearms and requires 62 hours of training (of which 24 is directly allocated to fire arms, the rest is classroom time on the legal issues of arrest). There are other hours spent practicing in order to be able to qualify.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

take a step back and look at the big picture.

uncle obama has banned heroin ... made it totally illegal in America.

yet any prisoner in the federal prison system can order up some Heroin.

so, if they can't keep banned drugs from a fucking federal prison how on earth will team asshat obama keep guns out of America?

It sets of an interesting dynamic tension - if "1" is enough to support an argument, it then cuts both ways to me.

"If banning all guns saves 1 life - it's worth it."

"If requiring all adults to be trained and armed saves 1 life - it's worth it."

Same logical structure, different clauses.

As for training - it is possible to deliver the same level of training to civilians as received by police. Most police training is not in gun fighting, but rather in the law and the many other tasks they are supposed to engage in.

It's legal to pass a law that says "yes, you may own and carry a gun - if you complete x hours of training and demonstrate proficiency with your weapon". However, the requirement must not significantly impede the ability to exercise the right - which is why most states that have any training requirement simply require completion of a safety and basic proficiency test, if that.

Depending on state standards, the real training received ranges from a low of 40 hours (Louisiana) to a high of 70 hours (Illinois). Most states require an additional 8 to 16 hours a year in refresher training and practice.

Here in CA PC 832 is the POST requirement for Arrest & Firearms and requires 62 hours of training (of which 24 is directly allocated to fire arms, the rest is classroom time on the legal issues of arrest). There are other hours spent practicing in order to be able to qualify.

 

[DeYaKen]

dude, you compared a rock to an orange. do you eat rocks? There is nothing to defend on my side, I won the argument. its just that simple.

No. YOU compared a rock to an orange. I compared the US to the rest of the world. Don't blame me if you can't tell the difference between what I say and what you said I say.

 

[DeYaKen]

take a step back and look at the big picture.

uncle obama has banned heroin ... made it totally illegal in America.

yet any prisoner in the federal prison system can order up some Heroin.

so, if they can't keep banned drugs from a fucking federal prison how on earth will team asshat obama keep guns out of America?

Hmm so Obama Banned Heroin, that's interesting. So it was legal under Bush was it? It must have been legal under Bush senior too, or did Bill Clinton legalise it?

 

[lovecraft68]

Hmm, let's see. If my two year old grandson is sleeping over and some piece of shit breaks into my house-like the piece of shit in Kentucky who stabbed a six year old boy to death-and I shoot him with the gun I legally own.

I say its worth it

It appalls me that you disgustingly weak pathetic asshats will stoop so low as to tell legit gun owners its our fault kids are dead.

Sign of the times in this castrated society.

Want my guns? Come take them. Because the fact is the nutbags and criminals will always get them, disarming law abiding citizens only make it easier for the animals to kill innocent people, including children because if they know any house they break into is defenseless nothing will stop them.

So shove your guilt up your ass and answer this, how many innocent children and innocent people's lives are worth your being so crippled by political correctness you would rather lay down and die than have someone think you're one of those 'gun nuts"?

Idiots.