How to Enslave Women

[Recidiva]

Agreeing is neither the point nor the goal of Leverage.

Yes, which is why I can talk to you. If you're reasonably up front about your causes, opinions and reasons, I can deal. I might tell you what I think about them once or twice, but no reason to belabor. I ask you what you're about, you tell me, we're good.

 

[Leverage]

I think so. For example, the "giving a woman a challenge" part is about applying the psychological pimp hand.

True.

 

[stirbird]

It's frustrating to think that there are people out there who think like this.

For me (and I expect for "just a few" ) other women, the fact that some men think like this is the ONLY thing that keeps us anchored to this otherwise horrible, alienating, abysmally depressing nightmare of a planet.

 

[Leverage]

Yes, which is why I can talk to you. If you're reasonably up front about your causes, opinions and reasons, I can deal. I might tell you what I think about them once or twice, but no reason to belabor. I ask you what you're about, you tell me, we're good.

So, why are you so hostile with Marquis. All Leverage sees is a dude expressing his opinion in an open and honest way. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Bluesboy2]

For me (and I expect for "just a few" ) other women, the fact that some men think like this is the ONLY thing that keeps us anchored to this otherwise horrible, alienating, abysmally depressing nightmare of a planet.

If you really mean that I pity you and the misery you will certainly find.

 

[Marquis]

I read it, I understood it. I study sociopathic behavior. I have binders of information on it and Im always reading new studies on the subject. You believe that you are not a sociopath. I do not claim to know you but from what I read, if it is indeed what you think/feel/behave then I will go as far as saying that you are a sociopath.

I have seen psychiatrists and psychologists for many years and they have never made this determination, but I would not be floored if it was true.

But curious, in that case, was Sun Tzu a sociopath, and Machiavelli?

What about Nietzsche?

Is anyone with the ability to look at life in an amoral and unemotional sense a sociopath?

 

[gman23]

Ha ha, my own hard work of the last four hours.

I'm not sure to be insulted or honored by your implication.

Very well written, and pretty true. Maybe not for myself or everyone, but definatly a good assesment of a percentage(not all) of female respone.

 

[Marquis]

Is this related to the pimping game?

Very much so.

 

[Recidiva]

Recidiva,

I'm always confused when a person who I know nothing about seems to have such strong opinions on me. I have no clue who you are or what you represent, truly. I guess you feel like you've seen enough from me to make your judgment. That is your prerogative.

I never said I could enslave any woman, but I do get what I want from quite a lot. However any woman can be enslaved. Any human being can be enslaved. It is in our nature.

I have strong opinions about everything, Marquis. There's no need to take it personally.

I know you have no clue about who I am or what I represent. I have reading comprehension and a good memory.

Good if you have people outside your theory, I'm one of them. I have said that what you say works for you. They don't work for me, and I'm simply providing another viewpoint, one which you can't incorporate into your view no matter how often it's stated or explained to you.

Your arguments are nearly always based on force. From you, toward something else. You argue for being callous and forcing your way to avoid being emotionally manipulated.

I, on the other hand, am much more about consent, understanding and exploring emotional issues rather than forcing them your way when you feel swamped emotionally and out of control.

You exhibit a lack of control, for all your claims of Domly traits. I'm attempting to provide another framework for control. As in, self.

In particular your thread about your relationship problems and health dangers based on your issues with condoms.

 

[Gringao]

http://www.comic-lair.com/beavis_butthead0690.jpg

Butthead: This is cool.

Beavis: Yeah...heh...we're gonna score!

 

[luxey313]

If you really mean that I pity you and the misery you will certainly find.

Well isn't that a fucking judgemental, assumption of what our lives are like as women who fashion their lives in a way that many do not understand.
No fucking pity is needed, it surrounds us.
Men begging to eat it, sweating you, laying like a doormat.

 

[Marquis]

You say that "They (women) are physically and socially less powerful than males." yet you go on to say "The average woman understands social tricks and games the average man would never dream of."

Explain.

Gladly.

I meant to say they were less powerful in their status, not in their prowess.

Being socially adept does not guarantee you a powerful position in society. Slaves were often very socially adept, oppressed people tend to develop this quality as a defense mechanism.

 

[Recidiva]

Well isn't that a fucking judgemental, assumption of what our lives are like as women who fashion their lives in a way that many do not understand.
No fucking pity is needed, it surrounds us.
Men begging to eat it, sweating you, laying like a doormat.

Lux, that's fine, but you're also a lot down on people who think differently than you, and there's a lot more to "sub" than your way of doing it.

 

[morewickedfun]

Hey, I want to jump in here real quick.

Recidivia seems to have an irrational and baseless hatred of me, but you seem a little more open minded. I'm also curious about your opinion of me being a sociopath.

Would you care to talk on the phone for a few minutes, perhaps I could win an unlikely ally.

Yes actually I would like that. You need to understand a few things. I have no hatred towards you simply because I don't know you. From wht you've said It screamed sociopath at me. You appear to show a limited range of human emotions. Lack of empathy and your superego for starters. My take on your post, you seem not to experience empathy, loyalty, guilt, or remorse. Thats just the begining Marquis. The "red flag" signs that may help you to better understand why i chose to zero in on it are as follows, excessive charm, excessive flattery,domineering, power hungry,elicits sympathy or pity, insensitivity to the suffering of others,cannot stand to lose,
narcotic use (illicit or prescribed). There are more.
I would also like to add that these are the reasons i believe you to be a sociopath not why i disagree with the way you choose to live or why i did not agree with your thread.

 

[Marquis]

She is already plotting on how to keep you in your place. How to control you, how to get what she wants, how to steal your power. The average woman understands social tricks and games the average man would never dream of. As a man, to be even on par with women in your own cohort, you have a lot of catching up to do.




Just this alone gave me chills. Where is the trust? You group all women together and behave as if it were all a game.

You are correct.

Live everyone, I stereotype to make my life more organized and easier. I also use my skills of analysis to make creative decisions during the courting process as distinctions from the norm appear.

Trust is something very important to me, but I do not trust people to be what I want them to be in my perfect world. I respect other people as basically self interested creatures like myself, prone to feeding their impulses.

I do trust people to be themselves however, and for that reason any degree of trust I feel towards a person comes from my understanding them.

 

[luxey313]

Lux, that's fine, but you're also a lot down on people who think differently than you, and there's a lot more to "sub" than your way of doing it.

Down- no.
Reply and disagree are totally different things, and you know it.
To say you pity her and the misery she surely will find, is fucking bullshit.

As far as your sub comment, no fucking shit Reci.
Just like Marquis, I am a young buck. Just learning all of these needs/desires/lifestyle and developing it.

But thanks for stating the obvious.

 

[pink]

i am a bit speechless here, so many thoughts are racing through my mind. i guess the first and foremost throught is, "This person has gotten the idea of what being a Dom is very, very wrong."

 

[Marquis]

Yes actually I would like that. You need to understand a few things. I have no hatred towards you simply because I don't know you. From wht you've said It screamed sociopath at me. You appear to show a limited range of human emotions. Lack of empathy and your superego for starters. My take on your post, you seem not to experience empathy, loyalty, guilt, or remorse. Thats just the begining Marquis. The "red flag" signs that may help you to better understand why i chose to zero in on it are as follows, excessive charm, excessive flattery,domineering, power hungry,elicits sympathy or pity, insensitivity to the suffering of others,cannot stand to lose,
narcotic use (illicit or prescribed). There are more.
I would also like to add that these are the reasons i believe you to be a sociopath not why i disagree with the way you choose to live or why i did not agree with your thread.

That's so funny, I had a law professor who was convinced I was a sociopath once. She said Ted Bundy was a law student and that she was always keeping her eyes out for a sociopath. Then she winked at me like she knew.

 

[Marquis]

I call 'small penis syndrome'

Could be a factor.

 

[stirbird]

If you really mean that I pity you and the misery you will certainly find.

I'm old, dude. I've found decades of intense, mind-blowing happiness living every word I say. So very sorry it disapponts you! I'll go back in the past inmmediately and relive my life in misery, so it'll be nice and "socially acceptable" to you. ;p

 

[Recidiva]

Down- no.
Reply and disagree are totally different things, and you know it.
To say you pity her and the misery she surely will find, is fucking bullshit.

As far as your sub comment, no fucking shit Reci.
Just like Marquis, I am a young buck. Just learning all of these needs/desires/lifestyle and developing it.

But thanks for stating the obvious.

Well, that's cool, that's what a discussion is. Start on one side and be persuaded possibly somewhere closer to somewhere else.

If you were completely knowledgeable and had no issues about it, why talk?

Nobody's here asking how to tie their shoes. Most have that down pat. If you're going to bring up a public personal issue, you probably want some feedback. I'm honest in first response, you're honest, he's honest, we all work our way toward clarification.

There's no one subway. Oh hell, that's a really bad play on words and I can't...find...the...will...to...delete...it...gah.

 

[morewickedfun]

never said I could enslave any woman, but I do get what I want from quite a lot. However any woman can be enslaved. Any human being can be enslaved. It is in our nature.


I do not agree with this. Isn't it why we have the whole dom/sub personality?
You are grouping once again. Not all women can be enslaved just like not all men can be. Please be specific. I have a strong character and would never be "enslaved".

 

[Recidiva]

I'm old, dude. I've found decades of intense, mind-blowing happiness living every word I say. So very sorry it disapponts you! I'll go back in the past inmmediately and relive my life in misery, so it'll be nice and "socially acceptable" to you. ;p

Oh please, stirbird, don't play the "you're socially respectable and I'm a rebel" card. Please? Go back and do the misery thing. C'mon, you'll like it.

 

[Bluesboy2]

Lux, that's fine, but you're also a lot down on people who think differently than you, and there's a lot more to "sub" than your way of doing it.

I guess I am just a misguided soul. Obviously I am confused. I thought empowering a woman to be who she wanted to be and valueing her as a partner and independant person who made choices for herself was a good thing. Fortunately we have a few experts here to clear that up for me.
I personally could never live with a doormat of a woman. I don't want to be deferred to 24/7. But that's just me. In the bedroom is one thing. In RL is another, to me anyway. I want someone I can respect as an equal. But obviously I am a fool.

 

[Marquis]

Nope, I disagree with lots of guys who learn things. But that requires listening and not thinking that your personal truth is The Rock Solid Truth.

I happen to think I'm nothing if not open minded, flexible and willing to admit when I'm wrong.

Why don't you try attacking my arguments instead of my character?