How to Enslave Women

[crazybbwgirl]

Very interesting post. I must say - I have often been attracted to such men. With mixed results. Well, that is until I met a man who truly loves women. All women. Everything about us. There is nothing more sexy, compelling or satisfying than not playing any games at all...

 

[gman23]

There is nothing more sexy, compelling or satisfying than not playing any games at all...

Not even Hide the Salami? Or naked mazola twister? Dont tell mommy?
How about Cheerleader with Girlscout cookies?

 

[Marquis]

I have strong opinions about everything, Marquis. There's no need to take it personally.

I know you have no clue about who I am or what I represent. I have reading comprehension and a good memory.

Good if you have people outside your theory, I'm one of them. I have said that what you say works for you. They don't work for me, and I'm simply providing another viewpoint, one which you can't incorporate into your view no matter how often it's stated or explained to you.

Your arguments are nearly always based on force. From you, toward something else. You argue for being callous and forcing your way to avoid being emotionally manipulated.

I, on the other hand, am much more about consent, understanding and exploring emotional issues rather than forcing them your way when you feel swamped emotionally and out of control.

You exhibit a lack of control, for all your claims of Domly traits. I'm attempting to provide another framework for control. As in, self.

In particular your thread about your relationship problems and health dangers based on your issues with condoms.

I didn't see this before I posted my last response, thanks for attacking some of my issues.

I didn't say I had people outside my theory. I said quite clearly that everyone could be enslaved by a talented enough seducer, including you.


I never make any claims of domly traits and I never mention forcing anyone.

There is nothing I do that is remotely nonconsensual. I offer people choices, I am just a very skilled negotiator.

 

[Marquis]

Yes actually I would like that. You need to understand a few things. I have no hatred towards you simply because I don't know you. From wht you've said It screamed sociopath at me. You appear to show a limited range of human emotions. Lack of empathy and your superego for starters. My take on your post, you seem not to experience empathy, loyalty, guilt, or remorse. Thats just the begining Marquis. The "red flag" signs that may help you to better understand why i chose to zero in on it are as follows, excessive charm, excessive flattery,domineering, power hungry,elicits sympathy or pity, insensitivity to the suffering of others,cannot stand to lose,
narcotic use (illicit or prescribed). There are more.
I would also like to add that these are the reasons i believe you to be a sociopath not why i disagree with the way you choose to live or why i did not agree with your thread.

That does seem to peg me, doesn't it?

I often feel like I'm incredibly challenged at controlling my empathic response. I think many of the strategies I use are a defense against an overactive empathic response, but I would be lying if I didn't say it's been dulled down in time.

 

[Marquis]

i am a bit speechless here, so many thoughts are racing through my mind. i guess the first and foremost throught is, "This person has gotten the idea of what being a Dom is very, very wrong."

No, just very, very different from your idea.

 

[Leverage]

I feel like you must be the only one who read that part.

Thanks man, it means a lot to me.

Indeed...plenty of women on the GB will just assume that you and I are like minded and share the same narrow view of women that many other men do but like I said, a great portion of the ish written in your post is truth...whether they admit it or not. The thing is, this info is beneficial for both men and women, players and pimps, hookers and ho's, etc. etc. etc...

 

[Marquis]

never said I could enslave any woman, but I do get what I want from quite a lot. However any woman can be enslaved. Any human being can be enslaved. It is in our nature.


I do not agree with this. Isn't it why we have the whole dom/sub personality?
You are grouping once again. Not all women can be enslaved just like not all men can be. Please be specific. I have a strong character and would never be "enslaved".

The strength of your character has little to do with it.

There is always a bigger fish.

 

[Recidiva]

I didn't see this before I posted my last response, thanks for attacking some of my issues.

I didn't say I had people outside my theory. I said quite clearly that everyone could be enslaved by a talented enough seducer, including you.

I never make any claims of domly traits and I never mention forcing anyone.

There is nothing I do that is remotely nonconsensual. I offer people choices, I am just a very skilled negotiator.

I think you're deeply emotional, feel somewhat victimized by your own nature and the effect people have on you, so you block it off and as a result have periodic crises of doubt and lack of control.

That's like most people.

Unfortunately I think you try to put all this into a framework where you justify dehumanizing people, including yourself.

Also like lots of other people.

You may be a skilled negotiator, but your terms regularly are unable to be met, or just disintegrate. I think if you were able to deal with your emotions honestly and other people's emotions honestly, you'd be a lot less stuck in a role that you rebel against often, though it's self-inflicted.

 

[Marquis]

I guess I am just a misguided soul. Obviously I am confused. I thought empowering a woman to be who she wanted to be and valueing her as a partner and independant person who made choices for herself was a good thing. Fortunately we have a few experts here to clear that up for me.
I personally could never live with a doormat of a woman. I don't want to be deferred to 24/7. But that's just me. In the bedroom is one thing. In RL is another, to me anyway. I want someone I can respect as an equal. But obviously I am a fool.

You're not a fool, you're just different from me.

I respect your desires, and your right to pursue your own happiness.

Why can't you do the same for me and those like me?

 

[Marquis]

You can always spot the lie at the center of a person's life, when they get insanely attacking and defensive about something, like the thread starter's post, that is, objectively, in no way threatening to them, personally, and doesn't impact in the least and the ways they want to live. They have to put down the "evil propoganda" before it "takes root" in other "innocent and gullible" minds. So starts the the standard bloody crusade. Insecurity, your cloak is of many colors.

You know, honestly, no bullshit...

I thought this was going to be a self help thread.

 

[morewickedfun]

The strength of your character has little to do with it.

There is always a bigger fish.

Of course it does. Bigger fish? Of course there are bigger fish. It simply means that they must look past me and find smaller fish.

 

[Marquis]

I would describe it much more like this. Say one partner is a very good cook, one person likes to appreciate good food. So the Dominant partner cooks. The submissive partner eats. Transfer this into sexual terms and it also means that the Dominant person gets the fun of figuring out what the submissive partner likes to eat, likes, dislikes, allergies, and gets better and better at being good at cooking. The submissive partner gets to have tailored experiences to their liking.

That's oversimplified and definitely not what it is for everyone, but that's much more the template for this relationship I'd use. And each partner has talents, someone will be good at something, not good at other things, honored and respected and responsibilities shared and clearly stated. It works. There's a lot to learn in this direction of things.

Funny, I do all the cooking in my relationship.

 

[Marquis]

strange. it's not how i interperet the lifestyle at all. I see the dom having a slave (his sub) to do and fufill whatever it is that he wishes. I will always see it in a negative manner. My entire personality fights against it.

Recidiva's example has a few flaws, but it is much closer to reality than "having a sub to do whatever you want with."

 

[bg23]

-lol-

 

[Recidiva]

Funny, I do all the cooking in my relationship.

Each according to his strengths. What's your specialty?

 

[brokenbrainwave]

he's Rick James, bitches....

 

[Marquis]

I think you're deeply emotional, feel somewhat victimized by your own nature and the effect people have on you, so you block it off and as a result have periodic crises of doubt and lack of control.

That's like most people.

Unfortunately I think you try to put all this into a framework where you justify dehumanizing people, including yourself.

Also like lots of other people.

You may be a skilled negotiator, but your terms regularly are unable to be met, or just disintegrate. I think if you were able to deal with your emotions honestly and other people's emotions honestly, you'd be a lot less stuck in a role that you rebel against often, though it's self-inflicted.

I have only read up to this post, so anything relevant you may have said beyond this will be responded to in the future.

You're back on my character and not my arguments, but I'm beginning to get flattered by the attention.

A lot of the things you say about me here are quite insightful.

As far as your last paragraph, I will say that my journey has not always been pleasant, but I do feel more powerful and capable with every experience. The Kahlil Gibran quote explained this well.

I don't mind self inflicting pain if it will help me grow. It's like working out.

 

[Marquis]

Each according to his strengths. What's your specialty?

I am pretty capable in a variety of cuisines, but I tend to eat very healthy and somewhat minimalist on a daily basis. I do have over 40 condiments in my refrigerator and I do believe that qualifies me as a gourmet.

 

[Marquis]

Of course it does. Bigger fish? Of course there are bigger fish. It simply means that they must look past me and find smaller fish.

Not if they're big enough.

You cannot be so arrogant to believe that no svengali powerful enough to control your will has ever existed.

 

[Marquis]

Indeed...plenty of women on the GB will just assume that you and I are like minded and share the same narrow view of women that many other men do but like I said, a great portion of the ish written in your post is truth...whether they admit it or not. The thing is, this info is beneficial for both men and women, players and pimps, hookers and ho's, etc. etc. etc...

You understand.

You can't hide from the truth, you can only deal with it.

 

[Recidiva]

I have only read up to this post, so anything relevant you may have said beyond this will be responded to in the future.

You're back on my character and not my arguments, but I'm beginning to get flattered by the attention.

A lot of the things you say about me here are quite insightful.

As far as your last paragraph, I will say that my journey has not always been pleasant, but I do feel more powerful and capable with every experience. The Kahlil Gibran quote explained this well.

I don't mind self inflicting pain if it will help me grow. It's like working out.

Well, you asked for attention, why not give it? I mean, c'mon, man, that's a lot of writing. You probably wanted someone to read it.

Sometimes the pain inflicted by other people is meant to be a workout too. For instance, opening yourself up to intellectual or emotional analysis, if you're choosing to do so, there's probably a question buried in there somewhere you don't quite know how to ask or articulate. Sometimes just going through the process to get to the right question is what counts.

If you're as emotionally sensitive as you claim to be, which I believe, I'd say the trick is increasing your tolerance for emotional weightbearing. And it's not done necessarily by being strong, it's done by being vulnerable, so you're going the right way with getting pelted in this thread.

 

[poppy1963]

An Appreciation for a Master

You are magnificent, Marquis
Perhaps a singular sociopathy
Perhaps not....just a snot....
But you put us through the paces beautifully.

I curtsy to you in my way...
But then hold sway.
You are a POWER and a
Lovely FLOWER in Sin City.



I don't ever wish to forget you
Nor meet you...

 

[morewickedfun]

Not if they're big enough.

You cannot be so arrogant to believe that no svengali powerful enough to control your will has ever existed.

If you want to call it arrogance. *shrugs
It's not what I believe, it's what I know. No one can control my will. There isn't anyone who has existed or will be who could. Does this surprise you?
This is why it does no good to group people together.

 

[Recidiva]

I am pretty capable in a variety of cuisines, but I tend to eat very healthy and somewhat minimalist on a daily basis. I do have over 40 condiments in my refrigerator and I do believe that qualifies me as a gourmet.

You counted your condiments? This is fun as a criteria. I'm pausing to giggle.

Oddly enough I can't kill bugs (unless there are jeers of "Come on, it's tiny, you can't even see it! Kill it!) and I have to scream and stuff.

However, I can clean up vomit, which my husband can't without adding to it.

Oh, and we can both cook. His breakfasts are better though because he's patient with the eggs.

 

[luxey313]

We are all in FL, we should have a roundtable discussion.
:nods: