How to Enslave Women

[morewickedfun]

That's so funny, I had a law professor who was convinced I was a sociopath once. She said Ted Bundy was a law student and that she was always keeping her eyes out for a sociopath. Then she winked at me like she knew.

He was. I would need to talk with you further of course in order to be sure. I am no doctor i am just vastly interested in behaviors of this type.

 

[Marquis]

I thought it was. I'm so naive.

I thought it was a domination fantasy.

It is.

It's the domination fantasy I live out every day.

 

[Marquis]

He was. I would need to talk with you further of course in order to be sure. I am no doctor i am just vastly interested in behaviors of this type.

If you clear your pm box we can have that phone conversation.

 

[stirbird]

Well isn't that a fucking judgemental, assumption of what our lives are like as women who fashion their lives in a way that many do not understand.
No fucking pity is needed, it surrounds us.
Men begging to eat it, sweating you, laying like a doormat.

You can always spot the lie at the center of a person's life, when they get insanely attacking and defensive about something, like the thread starter's post, that is, objectively, in no way threatening to them, personally, and doesn't impact in the least and the ways they want to live. They have to put down the "evil propoganda" before it "takes root" in other "innocent and gullible" minds. So starts the the standard bloody crusade. Insecurity, your cloak is of many colors.

 

[luxey313]

I guess I am just a misguided soul. Obviously I am confused. I thought empowering a woman to be who she wanted to be and valueing her as a partner and independant person who made choices for herself was a good thing. Fortunately we have a few experts here to clear that up for me.
I personally could never live with a doormat of a woman. I don't want to be deferred to 24/7. But that's just me. In the bedroom is one thing. In RL is another, to me anyway. I want someone I can respect as an equal. But obviously I am a fool.

I do have to say that there is a specific type of sub Marquis digs, is not every sub out there.
His dom style is a varying degree as well.

 

[morewickedfun]

I have seen psychiatrists and psychologists for many years and they have never made this determination, but I would not be floored if it was true.

But curious, in that case, was Sun Tzu a sociopath, and Machiavelli?

What about Nietzsche?

Is anyone with the ability to look at life in an amoral and unemotional sense a sociopath?

Machiavelli was. I believe that he was. The answer however to your question is no. Not everyone who looks at life in this manner is a sociopath. I have sociopathic tendancies but am not a sociopath. It's what i got from your thread and your responses or what your responses and thread lacked is what leads me to believe.

 

[morewickedfun]

If you clear your pm box we can have that phone conversation.

nods.

 

[Marquis]

I quoted your rule #4 about spending money on women. I call bullshit. You are not going to stop spending money on getting laid, and you never will.

More than calling you a liar I am giving you the 'old bull/young bull' look at it.

OK, I will say this much.

I spend money to get into certain clubs and events. I spend money to look and smell my best.

I don't actually buy things for females directly. If I feel like I need to buy a girl a drink to take things further, I will say "Hey, I'll get this round."

My girlfriend and I pool resources pretty evenly.

 

[Recidiva]

I guess I am just a misguided soul. Obviously I am confused. I thought empowering a woman to be who she wanted to be and valueing her as a partner and independant person who made choices for herself was a good thing. Fortunately we have a few experts here to clear that up for me.
I personally could never live with a doormat of a woman. I don't want to be deferred to 24/7. But that's just me. In the bedroom is one thing. In RL is another, to me anyway. I want someone I can respect as an equal. But obviously I am a fool.

I think one idea of what BDSM and that constellation of things is, would have to be misguided, because it means so much to so many people.

Being a submissive person does not make them a doormat. That is definitely misguided. Being a Dominant person doesn't mean you're deferred to, either.

There are lots and lots of ways to interpret BDSM to make life infinitely more free for people, it all depends on how you use and create your symbols in your life.

I would describe it much more like this. Say one partner is a very good cook, one person likes to appreciate good food. So the Dominant partner cooks. The submissive partner eats. Transfer this into sexual terms and it also means that the Dominant person gets the fun of figuring out what the submissive partner likes to eat, likes, dislikes, allergies, and gets better and better at being good at cooking. The submissive partner gets to have tailored experiences to their liking.

That's oversimplified and definitely not what it is for everyone, but that's much more the template for this relationship I'd use. And each partner has talents, someone will be good at something, not good at other things, honored and respected and responsibilities shared and clearly stated. It works. There's a lot to learn in this direction of things.

 

[Marquis]

How can you think of another living being, nonetheless a human, like that?

I would be crazy to think otherwise.

Would you fuck every woman you come across?

 

[Marquis]

nods.

I just tried again.

Just send me a pm when you're ready.

 

[stirbird]

This is a super thread, Mr. M! I've got to go to work, but I shall return with eagerness to read the updates.

 

[morewickedfun]

I think one idea of what BDSM and that constellation of things is, would have to be misguided, because it means so much to so many people.

Being a submissive person does not make them a doormat. That is definitely misguided. Being a Dominant person doesn't mean you're deferred to, either.

There are lots and lots of ways to interpret BDSM to make life infinitely more free for people, it all depends on how you use and create your symbols in your life.

I would describe it much more like this. Say one partner is a very good cook, one person likes to appreciate good food. So the Dominant partner cooks. The submissive partner eats. Transfer this into sexual terms and it also means that the Dominant person gets the fun of figuring out what the submissive partner likes to eat, likes, dislikes, allergies, and gets better and better at being good at cooking. The submissive partner gets to have tailored experiences to their liking.

That's oversimplified and definitely not what it is for everyone, but that's much more the template for this relationship I'd use. And each partner has talents, someone will be good at something, not good at other things, honored and respected and responsibilities shared and clearly stated. It works. There's a lot to learn in this direction of things.

strange. it's not how i interperet the lifestyle at all. I see the dom having a slave (his sub) to do and fufill whatever it is that he wishes. I will always see it in a negative manner. My entire personality fights against it.

 

[Recidiva]

I happen to think I'm nothing if not open minded, flexible and willing to admit when I'm wrong.

Why don't you try attacking my arguments instead of my character?

Well, because mostly I'm talking to myself here, I realize. I've had this conversation several times before.

Other people get to read it, though, and I get to write it, even if it won't have much impact on you.

 

[cjh]

I guess I am just a misguided soul. Obviously I am confused. I thought empowering a woman to be who she wanted to be and valueing her as a partner and independant person who made choices for herself was a good thing. Fortunately we have a few experts here to clear that up for me.
I personally could never live with a doormat of a woman. I don't want to be deferred to 24/7. But that's just me. In the bedroom is one thing. In RL is another, to me anyway. I want someone I can respect as an equal. But obviously I am a fool.

power exchange is a pretty cool concept.

it's usually knowing and informed. deliberated upon.

moreso than many conventional relationships.

and men, as well as women, can take the subservient role.

not for everybody. maybe not for most people. and yes, it can provide cover for sociopaths.

but this is sort of a different strokes, different folks area. it's not inherently good or bad.

 

[Recidiva]

strange. it's not how i interperet the lifestyle at all. I see the dom having a slave (his sub) to do and fufill whatever it is that he wishes. I will always see it in a negative manner. My entire personality fights against it.

Well, that's why it works for some people and not for others. If one person has force of will to make things happen, and the other person has an interest in having things happen to them, it's a perfect match.

Slaves are different matters. The point to all of this is that it's all consensual.

Yes, I think people like Marquis use smoke and mirrors to get there, and it's not an honest process. But the people that fall for the smoke and mirrors are also buying it, some of them really want to believe, even though they know it's not true. It's part of their fantasy.

However, there are those that are honest, that describe things and provide things in the terms I stated, and it's a very close, strong bond based on honesty and consent, and not force and illusion.

 

[Bluesboy2]

I think one idea of what BDSM and that constellation of things is, would have to be misguided, because it means so much to so many people.

Being a submissive person does not make them a doormat. That is definitely misguided. Being a Dominant person doesn't mean you're deferred to, either.

There are lots and lots of ways to interpret BDSM to make life infinitely more free for people, it all depends on how you use and create your symbols in your life.

I would describe it much more like this. Say one partner is a very good cook, one person likes to appreciate good food. So the Dominant partner cooks. The submissive partner eats. Transfer this into sexual terms and it also means that the Dominant person gets the fun of figuring out what the submissive partner likes to eat, likes, dislikes, allergies, and gets better and better at being good at cooking. The submissive partner gets to have tailored experiences to their liking.

That's oversimplified and definitely not what it is for everyone, but that's much more the template for this relationship I'd use. And each partner has talents, someone will be good at something, not good at other things, honored and respected and responsibilities shared and clearly stated. It works. There's a lot to learn in this direction of things.

Being a bit annoyed (I got over it) I very sarcastically over simplified my POV. I agree with you. But my point is lost on some people, which is fine. But there is no point of me explaining it further here. However I thank you for taking the time to express your opinion intelligently without attacking me. I am done here.

 

[RudeNastyAssBitch]

...excerpted from Marquis' new bestseller "Shallow: My Life As A Puddle of Shit."

And The Alpha Male Steps Up, Smiles Then Speaks! LOL

Hello Marxist

 

[Leverage]

Very much so.

I understand your concept and can relate to the experiences you've shared...substitute the word wife where you have girlfriend and daughters where you have sisters and a great portion of your words could have come from my keyboard.

...be easy

 

[Marquis]

True stuff, Marquis. You'll get a lot of shit for this, as veritas odium parit (truth begets hatred) always.

I'm used to it.

There is more than this to male-female control relationships, as you're starting to discover with your girlfriend, I think, but it comes slowly over time.

A lot, lot, lot more. There were lots of other things I wanted to get into, but I got tired.

A question I have for you: how can men who are not extraordinary good-looking do this sort of thing? Sure they can change some things about their appearence, like weight loss, but if they have the bad luck to be born with features that would require half a million dollars of surgery to make "hot," how do they compete if they do not have that sort of money?

I'm sure this is a rhetorical question coming from you.

I have a lot of advantages, it is true. But not all. In Miami I am constantly going up against people who are better looking, have more money, more status. Sometimes I can beat them out with nothing more than the strength of my personality and will to win. Oftentimes I beat them out merely by being more in touch with my desires. You can't have what you want if you don't ask.

There is a story I would absolutely love to tell every person here about this, but I will only be called a braggart and a liar, so I won't waste my time.

Alternatively, I have been beaten out many times by people less attractive than myself, who were able to exude more alpha magnetism.

Also, a lot of men cannot do what you describe above because it is not them, not their personalities. A lot of men really enjoy worshipping women, letting females have the upper hand. Some even relish being tricked by us.

When you say it is not their personality, I have to question if you mean it is not their desire or merely out of character for them. I think most people try to tailor their personality in a way that will allow them to be succesful in life.

You are right about the male subs though. This was primarily written from the point of view of someone with dominant desires, but I think there are aspects that could cross over.

PS: You, my man, "stir" better than even the stirbird--well, except when I get intensely involved in something, which has never happened with Lit, unfortunately.

I promise I don't do it on purpose.

 

[pink]

It took me years to come to terms with my submissiveness. i was a submissive child who grew into a submissive adult and i hated being quiet, a bit shy. i wanted to shine among people but i just couldn't do it without drinking. i soon realized that wasn't healthy. Luckily, i met a Dom who showed me in a healthy way, i could be submissive and still be sexy. i could be myself and lots of men craved such a woman. One thing being submissive doesn't entail is being a doormat.

 

[gman23]

I want someone I can respect as an equal. But obviously I am a fool.

Naw, that intimacy and friendship stuff gives me a big boner too.

 

[Marquis]

I understand your concept and can relate to the experiences you've shared...substitute the word wife where you have girlfriend and daughters where you have sisters and a great portion of your words could have come from my keyboard.

...be easy

I feel like you must be the only one who read that part.

Thanks man, it means a lot to me.

 

[Marquis]

Very well written, and pretty true. Maybe not for myself or everyone, but definatly a good assesment of a percentage(not all) of female respone.

Thank you.

 

[gman23]

Thank you.

Plus, you ruffled a few feathers also. That is always good on the GB.