I feel pretty!

[satindesire]

OK, I think I'm following you now.

This is really a stretch SatinD. I don't think there being some genetic proximity between South Asians and Native Americans gives a partially Native American girl who by all appearances looks white the right to use slurs engineered to demean South Asians.

Have you seen my close up pictures? I don't think I look white.

My skin is light, but my eyes are monolid and I have a very ethnic facial structure.

 

[00Syd]

Have you seen my close up pictures? I don't think I look white.

My skin is light, but my eyes are monolid and I have a very ethnic facial structure.

You don't think you look white?

And I think the word you are looking for is 'mongoloid.' monoloid isn't a word.

Also, mongoloid has almost become a slur in and of itself, since it infers some sort of mental retardation or slowness.

 

[Marquis]

Ha ha, this is getting stupid.

Silly ass white girls.

 

[satindesire]

You don't think you look white?

And I think the word you are looking for is 'mongoloid.' monoloid isn't a word.

Also, mongoloid has almost become a slur in and of itself, since it infers some sort of mental retardation or slowness.

Monolid, meaning one eyelid. As in, no fold.

Ha ha, this is getting stupid.

Silly ass white girls.

"Getting"?!

It was stupid from the first. I'm not going to apologize. Just drop it, both of you.

 

[00Syd]

Monolid, meaning one eyelid. As in, no fold.

Ah, gotcha. I misread.

 

[satindesire]

Ah, gotcha. I misread.

'Sokay. No big.

And no, I don't think I look white, honestly. I get a lot of "Are you part Japanese?" and "What race are you? Are you mixed?" It sticks with you after a while. I got it a lot especially in college, where most of the kids that I was going with were Caucasian.

Not a whole lot of white people have monolid eyes.

 

[FurryFury]

It's a god-send! I never thought it would provide coverage, but it does! And it's SO light, you don't even feel it! YAY! *does cartwheels*
Make sure it's the mineral kind...Satin's right ! No crap in it to clog up your face...OR harm animals or the environment!

Yes. I do watch what I buy, it has to be cheep and it can't come from a company that does research on animals or uses a lot of scent in their products.

 

[Homburg]

Some of my non-white friends feel like you do. And many do not.

For me (a white Jew fwiw ), it depends on whether or not I know you and the context in which you're dishing that out. I know Jews and New Yorkers who say JAP (the other one, Jewish American Princess) without a blink, but I dislike hearing the term. I'm far from a Princess, and don't know any Jewish women who fit that stereotype. Not that those who fit that stereotype don't exist. They do, and in droves (and I'll cut ya some slack if you're from Long Island), but not all Jewish women or even most Jewish women are actually like this. Not that this is about Jews (though of course like any form of media, we are secretly controlling this website), but that's my example.

This is why I tried to draw a sharp line between my own background and that of others. The Japanese have been oppressed by themselves, and that was about it. Sure, some Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps during WWII. IT sucked for them, but it is not exactly persecution.

The Jews? Y'all have been chased around and hounded for, what, millenia? "Jew" has itself been a racial epithet, especially when used as a verb. If that were the case with me, yeah, I might take it poorly. But, geeze, my ethnic background ain't exactly oppressed. They were the oppressors more often than not, and it's not like the average Japanese-American family in America is living in shanty-towns and slums. So, I don't class my brand of "minority" as equivalent to that of others who would, in my opinion, have every right to take offense at racial slurs.

In short, I feel like I shouldn't bitch, because it ain't like we've had it bad.

 

[Homburg]

'Sokay. No big.

And no, I don't think I look white, honestly. I get a lot of "Are you part Japanese?" and "What race are you? Are you mixed?" It sticks with you after a while. I got it a lot especially in college, where most of the kids that I was going with were Caucasian.

Not a whole lot of white people have monolid eyes.

I've gotten asked that like 8000 times in my life. Oddly enough, the only people that ever asked me if I was part Japanese were other Oriental folks. The most common have been Hispanic and, oddly enough, Russian.

And, as another aside, that question never came up when dealing with fellow army brats. Not once, literally. Mixed race kids are literally that common, or at least were when I was growing up.

--

And you want to talk pretty? There was a girl I knew when we were both just entering into our teens. Her dad was mixed black/white, and her mom was korean. "Exotic" does not come close to describing this girl. I'm sure by the time she hit her mid/late teens that she was a stunner.

 

[ultramarineblue]

I've gotten asked that like 8000 times in my life. Oddly enough, the only people that ever asked me if I was part Japanese were other Oriental folks. The most common have been Hispanic and, oddly enough, Russian.

And, as another aside, that question never came up when dealing with fellow army brats. Not once, literally. Mixed race kids are literally that common, or at least were when I was growing up.

It soooooo makes me giggle every time I see that you've posted in this thread. I start seeing an image of this uber masculine dude with a deep voice singing "I feel pretty, oh so pretty....."

*doubles over giggling....tears streaming down face giggling*

 

[LifelongCyn]

I've gotten asked that like 8000 times in my life. Oddly enough, the only people that ever asked me if I was part Japanese were other Oriental folks. The most common have been Hispanic and, oddly enough, Russian.

And, as another aside, that question never came up when dealing with fellow army brats. Not once, literally. Mixed race kids are literally that common, or at least were when I was growing up.

I've had the very interesting experience of being singled out for not being white on the mainland and yet being too white in Hawaii. In Hawaii, it's more about in-group dynamics first, then about your racial background. Have to say, being told I was too white to be a student leader by a high school teacher was the most shocking case of racism I've personally encountered, and I lived on an AF base during the tale end of the Vietnam war (I was routinely involved in fist fights in daycare because quite a few kids thought Asians were fair game - won all of them, too ).

And you want to talk pretty? There was a girl I knew when we were both just entering into our teens. Her dad was mixed black/white, and her mom was korean. "Exotic" does not come close to describing this girl. I'm sure by the time she hit her mid/late teens that she was a stunner.

This is why there are so many drop dead gorgeous people in Hawaii, the racial mixes are just amazing. Add in dance training from the time many could walk, and you get flat out breathtaking.

 

[LifelongCyn]

And not to continue the hijack, but here's a thought. Whether or not you have the "right" to use a word that is viewed as derogatory and offensive by the majority of people, don't you think you should be prepared for a certain amount of blowback if you choose to use the term in a public forum? I understand the concept of in-groups using a perjorative word affectionately, but to use it in a place where it is bound to cause offense and then rail against hypocritical PC bulls**t is rather disingenuous. I would also say that it is bad manners, but I wonder if this is becoming a generational thing?

Just a thought.

 

[Netzach]

You stupid idiot.

Calling yourself chinky is insulting to South Asian people. Like if you said you had nigger lips. It wouldn't be ok because you were talking about yourself.

Actually East Asian technically. It'd be Woggy or Paki, or Apu or Raghead or something like that depending if you're in the UK or US if we were talking about South Asians.

Carry on. My take on questionable terms is I use only the ones which directly apply to me or in cases of rhetorical/academic discussion. I find "the N word" a weird construct and expectation when no one's calling anyone that directly rather talking about the word itself.

The number of times I've been asked what I am when I think I look about as E. European white-ass girl as I am is bizzare to me. I tell them. NYC Jew is exotic chic anyway here.

My mother used to work the half polynesian angle to get laid in the seventies, but those are way over.

 

[LifelongCyn]

Back on topic, anyone have any experience with mineral makeup and oily skin? I have visions of "muddy" spots on my T-zone. And I have rather large pores, and many foundations "pool" in them instead of blending over them.

I've just recently started wearing eye-makeup. I have very oily eyelids, and I always ended up with the "startled racoon" look whenever I wore mascara. That seems to have abated a bit with age, and I have to admit that wearing eyeshadow and mascara makes me feel pretty and look more awake, even when I'm dragging. And I've recently started playing with frilly lingerie, stockings, and high heels. It's all very girly, very un-mommy, and a heck of a lot of fun.

 

[Netzach]

Back on topic, anyone have any experience with mineral makeup and oily skin? I have visions of "muddy" spots on my T-zone. And I have rather large pores, and many foundations "pool" in them instead of blending over them.

I've just recently started wearing eye-makeup. I have very oily eyelids, and I always ended up with the "startled racoon" look whenever I wore mascara. That seems to have abated a bit with age, and I have to admit that wearing eyeshadow and mascara makes me feel pretty and look more awake, even when I'm dragging. And I've recently started playing with frilly lingerie, stockings, and high heels. It's all very girly, very un-mommy, and a heck of a lot of fun.

I am a greasebomb WITH undereye circles. When I do remember the mineral concealer I've had really good mileage with it. I buy mine from little vegan kids online.

 

[satindesire]

And not to continue the hijack, but here's a thought. Whether or not you have the "right" to use a word that is viewed as derogatory and offensive by the majority of people, don't you think you should be prepared for a certain amount of blowback if you choose to use the term in a public forum? I understand the concept of in-groups using a perjorative word affectionately, but to use it in a place where it is bound to cause offense and then rail against hypocritical PC bulls**t is rather disingenuous. I would also say that it is bad manners, but I wonder if this is becoming a generational thing?

Just a thought.

Because I didn't find it offensive in the least, I wasn't prepared for any blowback or any kind of harassment at all. I said it about myself, I thought that people were pretty much allowed to say whatever they wanted about themselves.

I don't see anyone getting up in arms when someone calls themselves fat because it's offensive to overweight people. *shrugs* It's the same difference in my eyes, so it took me totally by surprise. I've seen several women on this site call themselves fat and NO ONE has spoken out to them about how that's considered rude to say to overweight people, so why would I assume that me saying I have chinky eyes, when they're MY EYES to begin with, would make people mad?! They're MY EYES for Christ's sake. So that's my side of things. I wasn't prepared for any kind of harassment at all because I didn't see what I said as bad.

Here's another example that might explain my view. My dad was raised in a time where it was considered 'proper' to say "colored people" instead of black or african american. He still calls black people colored, even though he doesn't see that these days, in 2009, that's considered racist. To him it's not, because he means NOTHING bad by it at all. It's like calling someone you love a bastard. If there's no cruel intention behind a word, it's just a word. I don't find it offensive when he says the word because he has no ill will in using that word at all. He's not racist, and neither am I. It would be stupid of a bi racial person to be racist against non Caucasian people.

You can think I'm being disingenuous all you like, you're entitled to your opinions, just like everyone else is entitled to theirs. BUT, then again...

So am I.

Back on topic, anyone have any experience with mineral makeup and oily skin? I have visions of "muddy" spots on my T-zone. And I have rather large pores, and many foundations "pool" in them instead of blending over them.

I've just recently started wearing eye-makeup. I have very oily eyelids, and I always ended up with the "startled racoon" look whenever I wore mascara. That seems to have abated a bit with age, and I have to admit that wearing eyeshadow and mascara makes me feel pretty and look more awake, even when I'm dragging. And I've recently started playing with frilly lingerie, stockings, and high heels. It's all very girly, very un-mommy, and a heck of a lot of fun.

You need an eyelid primer.

Do your moisturizer, then your foundation/concealer routine, then primer, then powder.

Also, waterproof mascara. Try Maybelleline, that mascara brand is seriously waterproof when they say waterproof.

 

[LifelongCyn]

Unfortunately, intention has nothing to do with perception, that is why you must be aware of the impression that your words create. I don't think anyone seriously believes that you're racist or even intentionally going for the shock factor, but the fact remains that the term is offensive. You can't argue that away. And no, a racial slur does not equate with "fat". Think of the nastiest, most hurtful term that you could use instead of fat. It still doesn't equate.

<snip>
Here's another example that might explain my view. My dad was raised in a time where it was considered 'proper' to say "colored people" instead of black or african american. He still calls black people colored, even though he doesn't see that these days, in 2009, that's considered racist.

This is what I meant by generational. On the flip side, I am about a generation older than you, and maybe that means I'm more sensitive to these things. Younger people in general seem much less aware of the history behind the slangs they use, so they are just words for them, not so much symbols of hatred. I suppose this is a way of taking back power, but I would prefer the words not be used at all.

You need an eyelid primer.

Do your moisturizer, then your foundation/concealer routine, then primer, then powder.

Also, waterproof mascara. Try Maybelleline, that mascara brand is seriously waterproof when they say waterproof.

Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried the Clinique primer with Revlon (?) mineral eyeshadow, but not great results. I'm going to try MAC Paint (?) in the tube as a primer next. It's supposed to work well. I've also tried waterproof mascara in the past, but the oil around my eyes seemed to dissolve it anyway. This time around, I'm having better results with the regular Maybelline mascara. Of course, they've discontinued the smudgeproof one that really worked for me. *grumble grumble*

 

[Netzach]

The "I can say whatever I want about myself" rule doesn't work when the slur is NOT about you.

Native American is as "chinky" as it is "faggy." Unless you're making some obscure reference to the continental land bridge or something.

 

[satindesire]

Unfortunately, intention has nothing to do with perception, that is why you must be aware of the impression that your words create. I don't think anyone seriously believes that you're racist or even intentionally going for the shock factor, but the fact remains that the term is offensive. You can't argue that away. And no, a racial slur does not equate with "fat". Think of the nastiest, most hurtful term that you could use instead of fat. It still doesn't equate.



This is what I meant by generational. On the flip side, I am about a generation older than you, and maybe that means I'm more sensitive to these things. Younger people in general seem much less aware of the history behind the slangs they use, so they are just words for them, not so much symbols of hatred. I suppose this is a way of taking back power, but I would prefer the words not be used at all.




Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried the Clinique primer with Revlon (?) mineral eyeshadow, but not great results. I'm going to try MAC Paint (?) in the tube as a primer next. It's supposed to work well. I've also tried waterproof mascara in the past, but the oil around my eyes seemed to dissolve it anyway. This time around, I'm having better results with the regular Maybelline mascara. Of course, they've discontinued the smudgeproof one that really worked for me. *grumble grumble*

I think you're right about the generational thing. Tons of people, 'my age' as in my peers, are so casual about words like that, in our eyes they mean nothing anymore. Words only have power when you give them power.

I never meant that in an offensive way, at ALL. I guess when you're around it as much as I am, you don't even think about it anymore. Like I said, it's just a word to me.

I didn't have great results with Clinique's primer either, I think it's kind of a shoddy product.

Have you tried Mac's Bare Canvas Paint? It's a fantastic eyelid primer. It can be a little on the pricey side for people like me who are used to buying L'Oreal instead, but you only need an itty bitty bit and it lasts FOR-EVAR.

 

[satindesire]

The "I can say whatever I want about myself" rule doesn't work when the slur is NOT about you.

Native American is as "chinky" as it is "faggy." Unless you're making some obscure reference to the continental land bridge or something.

From what I know about the term Mongoloid, it refers to Native Americans as well.

I looked it up. Google is my friend.

Why is it a slur to you when I've already stated several times I didn't intend on it being a slur? What exactly do you want me to say?

This is getting a little too witch-hunt-y for my taste and I'm starting to get upset.

 

[clock1]

Vintage pale buttercream yellow lace bubble panties with attached garters.

Because they're adorable.

Talking about feeling pretty, I dont. Cutie does present an adorable image, however, and that is pretty and then some.

 

[00Syd]

From what I know about the term Mongoloid, it refers to Native Americans as well.

I looked it up. Google is my friend.

Why is it a slur to you when I've already stated several times I didn't intend on it being a slur? What exactly do you want me to say?

This is getting a little too witch-hunt-y for my taste and I'm starting to get upset.

Sure, but Chink doesn't refer to just any old mongoloid (somewhat offensive term in itself...), it refers to East Asians, specifically Chinese.

Not trying to be witch-hunty, or continue to hijack too long. Just seems like you have some misinformation, and as we know from the "learn something today" thread, learning is awesome.

 

[intothewoods]

This is why I tried to draw a sharp line between my own background and that of others. The Japanese have been oppressed by themselves, and that was about it. Sure, some Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps during WWII. IT sucked for them, but it is not exactly persecution.

The Jews? Y'all have been chased around and hounded for, what, millenia? "Jew" has itself been a racial epithet, especially when used as a verb. If that were the case with me, yeah, I might take it poorly. But, geeze, my ethnic background ain't exactly oppressed. They were the oppressors more often than not, and it's not like the average Japanese-American family in America is living in shanty-towns and slums. So, I don't class my brand of "minority" as equivalent to that of others who would, in my opinion, have every right to take offense at racial slurs.

In short, I feel like I shouldn't bitch, because it ain't like we've had it bad.

When a bunch of different Asian-American kids get together, the discussions are sure interesting. Growing up in California, I had a different perspective of the way Japanese Americans were treated. But I understand what you're saying.

Have you read My Year in Meats? You should check it out. I think you'd like it.

 

[intothewoods]

Oh, btw, I've been on message boards where people were jumped on for saying "I feel fat" when they were a size two or whatever. Not that I am equating the two or am thinking that people should necessarily self-filter to that level, but I just thought I'd mention that there are people who take offense to that.

 

[00Syd]

There are people who take offence at eeeeverything.

"Ugh, I feel so tired today... I think I might pass out..."

"Say WHAT??" (Says the overly sensitive epileptic)

(I've actually had that happen to me, no joke)

.....

And I mean, I (obviously) don't take personal offence to the word chink, but I thought it was worth pointing out that some people might. It is a very highly charged word for some people, and it's worth being aware of (IMO).