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[qrayze]

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lol, love it!

 

[silverwhisper]

bailadora quoth:
yeah. i think it could be called disrespectful, especially after being informed that textese is not an accepted method of communication on HT. unlike NM, i'm going to fully admit that i find SMS language bloody difficult to decipher. and when something is hard to read, i quickly lose patience with it and move on and i don't think i'm alone in that regard. now - i'm not so big-headed as to think my contributions are all that and a bag of chips, but if the OP wants assistance from the board, then isn't it in his/her best interest to make the post as understandable to as many people as possible?

sure, it's smart to make sure that if you want [x], you make it easy and appealing for people to provide [x]. that's just communication 101.

that isn't however my point. my point is that the OP was outright insulted by several of the HT regulars for what was ultimately a misunderstanding.

bailadora quoth:
the thing is ed, well established groups (such as the HT regulars) are usually going to have certain standards/protocols by which all members are expected to abide and i don't think it's at all unreasonable to speak up when someone violates one of those standards. although - i would hope it would be done in as civil a manner as possible. IMO, if an individual seeks to join a group, then he or she should expect to conform to it's standards, instead of expecting the group to conform to him or her. and if he/she doesn't agree with or like the protocol, then why seek membership to begin with?

i think you're proceeding from a bad assumption: that the OP wants to become part of the HT community. the vast majority of posts in HT are made by people who aren't HT regulars. they're often posted, at least IMHO, by people who probably just learned of HT's existence. assuming that posting a question--esp one that comes up often--is part 1 of becoming part of the community is to me not a sensible one.

NM quoth:
my objection is that the only time and place that text-speak may be admissible is in the context of cell phone texting, even then i seriously question it's validity. using text-speak in a forum setting is akin to using all caps or no punctuation or no sentence structure or paragraphs to separate thoughts or ideas. IMHO, it is the epitome of illiteracy.

so for you, it isn't about lack of respect, it's about ignorance?

NM quoth:
you're way over thinking things just to continue an argument. the point was that this site is IN english - as in words, complete words, not some foreign language, and not text.

actually, i'm just pointing out that your imprecision in expressing your concerns is undermining the integrity of your position. if you're going to make prescriptive statements such as you've been during our exchange, they oughta be internally consistent.

you've made clear that your distaste for text-ese in forum posts is predicated on the preference for clear communication and the respect for proper grammar, etc., upon which clarity depends, then you've really just outed yourself as a grammar nazi. and in that case, since i don't respect the standard rules re: capitalization, why don't you have a problem with how i post?

ed

 

[NippleMuncher]

you've made clear that your distaste for text-ese in forum posts is predicated on the preference for clear communication and the respect for proper grammar, etc., upon which clarity depends, then you've really just outed yourself as a grammar nazi. and in that case, since i don't respect the standard rules re: capitalization, why don't you have a problem with how i post?

ed

You are well aware of what I've said and how it was meant and are arguing for the sake of arguing, I will not continue.

 

[silverwhisper]

actually: i'm trying to understand you. if you wanna say, "i'm taking my ball and going home", that's certainly your right.

ed

 

[NightL]

WTF ...haha... This is all too funny... 4 posts up against a combined 95494 posts. ur luver 09 didn't stand a chance...

Now some of my favourite contributors are squabbling with each other... and ur luver 09 is running as fast and far as possible, probably to write a Lit app for the iPhone...

 

[bailadora]

that isn't however my point. my point is that the OP was outright insulted by several of the HT regulars for what was ultimately a misunderstanding.

Huh. My reading skills really must be slipping, because I didn't discern that at all from your previous posts. It came across as, "It's just text speak, lighten up, people." And while I understand it's not a big deal to you, it's obviously one for many others here (just as not reading to the end of the thread before replying is one of your hot buttons).

Now - if you're upset because you thought some people were unnecessarily harsh, then I can see your point. Some of the replies also made me blink in surprise. But then we've all had off days and I know I've been guilty of being snarky because the tone of the post struck me as off. And I think that may also be a contributing factor here as well, Ed. Yes, some of the replies were harsh, but some were perfectly civil, if straight forward. And while I can understand why the OP might have felt defensive as a result of the snark, trying to justify a method of communication after being informed it's not accepted does not endear one to one's audience. Which brings us to the following:

i think you're proceeding from a bad assumption: that the OP wants to become part of the HT community. the vast majority of posts in HT are made by people who aren't HT regulars. they're often posted, at least IMHO, by people who probably just learned of HT's existence. assuming that posting a question--esp one that comes up often--is part 1 of becoming part of the community is to me not a sensible one.

Maybe an OP isn't interested in long-term membership, but IMO by posting on HT they've at least temporarily inserted themselves into the group. As such, I still don't think it's unreasonable to expect newcomers to abide by local custom/protocol. In other words, just because you're a guest, it doesn't mean you get to ignore established rules of engagement. Which is why I think people should take some time to observe and get the lay of the land prior to posting on any forum. I know we've discussed it a bit in another thread, but it's precisely because of situations like this I think people would be wise to follow this MO. I did and I've never been made to feel unwelcome on HT because I made it a point to learn the dos and don'ts before I ever typed out my first message.

Do I think that makes me better than people who don't? Absolutely not. Do I think it's a wiser course of action? Without a doubt, because I think it helps to ease the way in and avoid putting a foot wrong. Do I get that some people would rather just jump in, feet first? Sure. But IMO, you do so at the risk of situations just like this one cropping up.

you've made clear that your distaste for text-ese in forum posts is predicated on the preference for clear communication and the respect for proper grammar, etc., upon which clarity depends, then you've really just outed yourself as a grammar nazi. and in that case, since i don't respect the standard rules re: capitalization, why don't you have a problem with how i post? ed

I know you're addressing NM, but I'm going to hazard a guess here. You have several factors working in your favor that the OP doesn't, Ed. One - you're a known entity (God knows, you've been here longer than Methuselah ). Two - you have a long standing rep for giving good advice or insightful observation. Three- you're generally liked and respected by most of the regulars. So I think most view your distaste for capitalization as a quirky Ed-ism. We're so used to it that it almost fails to register. And as you recently pointed out to me in another thread, established and well known posters can usually get away with things simply by virtue of their long standing membership that newcomers can't. Is it right? Or fair? Probably not. But it is human nature to tolerate more from our friends than we would from strangers.

Now some of my favourite contributors are squabbling with each other...

Really? Interesting. Outside of the heated exchange between Ed and Coastal-Boy, I thought it was a debate.

 

[Mac98]

Ignore

 

[Mac98]

And how long has this rivalry been going on? I've been away for a while and it seems like my very close friend "coastal-boy" is having it out with "Silverwhisper" and "SweetErika".

Do my eyes deceive me or is Lit turning into Fight Club?

 

[fuckmeat]

you've made clear that your distaste for text-ese in forum posts is predicated on the preference for clear communication and the respect for proper grammar, etc., upon which clarity depends, then you've really just outed yourself as a grammar nazi. and in that case, since i don't respect the standard rules re: capitalization, why don't you have a problem with how i post?

ed

In addition to bailadora's comments, I'm going to point out that while you don't capitalise, you do punctuate. Textspeakers often string whole paragraphs into one sentence. In addition, when you're intelligent enough to comprehend that typing posts rather than speaking means that you lose nuances of expression, people who want to be understood accurately quickly realise that a lot of attention needs to be paid to how you phrase things. Textspeakers seem to literally type an unedited train of thought, which to me is lazy and juvenile. Because of the fact that textspeak is mostly favoured by young people with social networking fetishes, I'm also very likely to suspect that textspeakers are young enough that they shouldn't be posting here at all. If you want to talk about grown up stuff on a grown up erotica forum, you use your damn words IMNSHO.

For me, textspeak epitomises four things: Immaturity, ignorance, rudeness and laziness. None of these things will endear me to a poster or make me give much of a crap about their woes.

If a person is using a phone or their first language is not English, then I'm happy to disregard poor SPG. But there are limits to what my retinas should endure so other people can save time and calling credit.

I know my 'grow a brain' comment on the other thread was poorly received in general but honestly, how much hand-holding do people expect to do around here? That girl blatantly could not be bothered to figure out navigating the site through trial and error or *gasp* perusing the FAQs. She was so superlatively lazy that she couldn't even be assed to post anything even approaching a specific, answerable query. You guys might want to spend your time here humouring lazy, immature, ignorant little foetuses but I just won't. I also think that if we indulgently pander to these vacuous little morons we're setting a bad precedent and giving them no incentive to communicate like grown ups.

It's a shame this topic has become so divisive but be that as it may, I will remain on the less tolerant side of this fence.

 

[Rolando2]

να είναι ωραίο το ένα στο άλλο, παιδιά!

 

[laZilla]

And how long has this rivalry been going on? I've been away for a while and it seems like my very close friend "coastal-boy" is having it out with "Silverwhisper" and "SweetErika".

Do my eyes deceive me or is Lit turning into Fight Club?

c-b is your "very close friend"? That's weird, I don't even know who you are.

 

[Eilan]

c-b is your "very close friend"? That's weird, I don't even know who you are.

I'm thinking Mac's being sarcastic.

 

[Mac98]

I'm thinking Mac's being sarcastic.

Yes. Yes he is.

 

[silverwhisper]

sorry for the long delay in responding. i've had a few things going on that precluded my popping in and typing up a proper responses to the posts here.

bailadora quoth:
huh. my reading skills really must be slipping, because i didn't discern that at all from your previous posts. it came across as, "it's just text speak, lighten up, people." and while i understand it's not a big deal to you, it's obviously one for many others here (just as not reading to the end of the thread before replying is one of your hot buttons).

obviously, i do think people need to lighten up, but yes, people completely coming unhinged as several did is in a word ridiculous. that kind of response is a terrific way to identify oneself as a snob, and being pissed off at being told one is doing precisely that is just plain goofy.

bailadora quoth:
now - if you're upset because you thought some people were unnecessarily harsh, then i can see your point. some of the replies also made me blink in surprise. but then we've all had off days and i know i've been guilty of being snarky because the tone of the post struck me as off. and i think that may also be a contributing factor here as well, ed. yes, some of the replies were harsh, but some were perfectly civil, if straight forward. and while i can understand why the OP might have felt defensive as a result of the snark, trying to justify a method of communication after being informed it's not accepted does not endear one to one's audience.

when i see people i know do something that i think is colossally fucking stupid, i tell them. i'm not much of one for watching someone make a mistake i could have prevented. crap like what coastal-boy said doesn't make HT a good place: it makes HT suck. and because i actually give a shit about HT and what kinda place it is, i'm gonna say my peace.

bailadora quoth:
maybe an OP isn't interested in long-term membership, but IMO by posting on HT they've at least temporarily inserted themselves into the group. as such, i still don't think it's unreasonable to expect newcomers to abide by local custom/protocol. in other words, just because you're a guest, it doesn't mean you get to ignore established rules of engagement.

you've been here long enough to know that noobs don't generally even read the stickies, never mind get the lay of the land before posting, like that whiny little baby nasty deeds. and people attacked the OP without ever communicating the standard. so you're still dealing with the vast majority of such users not knowing. to wit: i do think it's an unreasonable expectation.

bailadora quoth:
i know we've discussed it a bit in another thread, but it's precisely because of situations like this i think people would be wise to follow this MO. i did and i've never been made to feel unwelcome on HT because i made it a point to learn the dos and don'ts before i ever typed out my first message.

bail, you do recognize the exceedingly small fraction into which you fit, right? :>

bailadora quoth:
i know you're addressing NM, but i'm going to hazard a guess here. you have several factors working in your favor that the OP doesn't, ed. one - you're a known entity (god knows, you've been here longer than methuselah ).

that's right: i'm all biblical and stuff. that's just how i roll.

bailadora quoth:
two you have a long standing rep for giving good advice or insightful observation. three- you're generally liked and respected by most of the regulars. so i think most view your distaste for capitalization as a quirky ed-ism. we're so used to it that it almost fails to register. and as you recently pointed out to me in another thread, established and well known posters can usually get away with things simply by virtue of their long standing membership that newcomers can't.

well, i'm pretty sure i've done a number on that rep in this thread, given some of the exchanges i've had--but that's OK cuz i feel strongly this is a matter of principle.

fuckmeat quoth:
in addition to bailadora's comments, i'm going to point out that while you don't capitalise, you do punctuate. textspeakers often string whole paragraphs into one sentence. in addition, when you're intelligent enough to comprehend that typing posts rather than speaking means that you lose nuances of expression, people who want to be understood accurately quickly realise that a lot of attention needs to be paid to how you phrase things. textspeakers seem to literally type an unedited train of thought, which to me is lazy and juvenile. because of the fact that textspeak is mostly favoured by young people with social networking fetishes, i'm also very likely to suspect that textspeakers are young enough that they shouldn't be posting here at all. if you want to talk about grown up stuff on a grown up erotica forum, you use your damn words IMNSHO. for me, textspeak epitomises four things: immaturity, ignorance, rudeness and laziness. none of these things will endear me to a poster or make me give much of a crap about their woes.

if a person is using a phone or their first language is not english, then i'm happy to disregard poor SPG. but there are limits to what my retinas should endure so other people can save time and calling credit.

you clearly haven't spent a whole lot of time on many forums. i've seen tons of people perfectly capable of producing rants in technically perfect english whose S:N was such crap that they go on my iggy list. frankly, i'd much rather see a metric assload of posts by the OP than a single one by human waste like nasty deeds. i've seen posts by people how use txt-ese or l337 that are brilliant and make me or you look like a drooling cretin.

fuckmeat quoth:
i know my 'grow a brain' comment on the other thread was poorly received in general but honestly, how much hand-holding do people expect to do around here?...[snip]...you guys might want to spend your time here humouring lazy, immature, ignorant little foetuses but i just won't. i also think that if we indulgently pander to these vacuous little morons we're setting a bad precedent and giving them no incentive to communicate like grown ups...[snip]...i will remain on the less tolerant side of this fence.

i don't know what other thread you mean, but you're worried about "setting a bad precedent"? fuckmeat, i like HT a great deal too, but it's just a discussion forum.

ed

 

[NippleMuncher]

i've seen posts by people how use txt-ese or l337 that are brilliant and make me or you look like a drooling cretin.

So that explains it, you're a drooler ...

Sorry ed, I couldn't resist.

 

[silverwhisper]

well played, sir. well played. :>

ed