If I were God, I'd squash this man like a bug.

[pop_54]

Shereads...should be momentarily forgiven for her lapse in just about everthing...

A rational person... seeking enlightenment, even in this modern time, must reject, out of hand, all past endeavors to create an ethical and moral base for human existence.

The only means by which you can begin, is to reject the folklore of 6000 years ago, to question the source of the Epostles, to research the life of christ, to read the books , to comprehend the context...and to finally 'know' that Christianity, and the Gods of the the East, be it Allah or Buddha, are nothing but the products of a creative writer such as yourself...

That being done...you may join me and others...who seek to find and comprehend the universe without a surpreme being in the offing...it is not an easy task...

It is a select community...you should feel honored...

amicus...

Sirrrrrr... that thar's blasphemy... you shall surely burn in the fires of hell... demons will rip on your flesh... tearing it from your very bones... Beelzebub himself will torment you for you evil ways and forsaking of the Lord Jesus Christ...

However!!!!!!!! All is not lost... you can join us now... join us brother.... hale the Lord... praise be...... For just $199.99 annual subscription you can join us... The Church of the Friday afternoon nutcases will welcome you in and save your soul..........

Oh would I step on the guy.... No Nuke the bastards it's more certain.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Just got back to my computer... hmm, I'll start toward the beginning.

Romans 1:27 mentions men having relations with men. But the terms used to describe them are "dishonorable" and "shameless." These refer deliberately to social disapproval, not to ethical condemnation. Moreover, according to Paul's usage, different from the prevalent Stoic philosophy of the day, para physin ("unnatural") would best be translated "atypical" or "beyond the ordinary." So it bears no reference to natural law.

And it can imply no ethical condemnation because in Romans 11:24 God is said to act para physin. Paul sees gay sex as an impurity (see Rm. 1:24), just like uncircumcision or eating forbidden foods. He mentions it to make the main point of his letter, that purity requirements of the Jewish Law are not relevant in Christ Jesus.

So, no, its not a "tenet".

 

[The Mutt]

Just got back to my computer... hmm, I'll start toward the beginning.

Romans 1:27 mentions men having relations with men. But the terms used to describe them are "dishonorable" and "shameless." These refer deliberately to social disapproval, not to ethical condemnation. Moreover, according to Paul's usage, different from the prevalent Stoic philosophy of the day, para physin ("unnatural") would best be translated "atypical" or "beyond the ordinary." So it bears no reference to natural law.

And it can imply no ethical condemnation because in Romans 11:24 God is said to act para physin. Paul sees gay sex as an impurity (see Rm. 1:24), just like uncircumcision or eating forbidden foods. He mentions it to make the main point of his letter, that purity requirements of the Jewish Law are not relevant in Christ Jesus.

So, no, its not a "tenet".

Oh, puh-lease! That is a steaming load of spin worthy of Karl Rove.
Dishonorable, unnatural, atypical, impure or icky. Whatever he calls it, he says it is worthy of death.
Now I suppose you will tell me that in the paradiddle translation of the gnortic epistles, "death" translates as "nose tweak".
Your words are foolish and I do not hear them.

 

[The Mutt]

Amicus, on the topic of how many types of cognizant beings exist in the universe - supreme or otherwise - and how they might be bound up with our own consciousness, I'm definitely in the minority: the ones who know that we don't know.

There are two things I know with an absolute certainty:
1-There are no gods.
2- I don't know everything.

 

[The Mutt]

Ten Commandments of Reason

I Thou shalt not believe in fairy tales.
II Thou shalt not let fear of the supernatural rule your life.
III Thou shalt not lie to your children about reality.
IV Thou shalt not give prayer in place of medicine.
V Thou shalt not discriminate against those with different beliefs.
VI Thou shalt not label people abominations because of who they love.
VII Thou shalt not kill in the name of god.
VIII Thou shalt not destroy cultures in the name of saving souls.
IX Thou shalt not pray for the end of the world.
X Thou shalt not fear death.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by The Mutt
Oh, puh-lease! That is a steaming load of spin worthy of Karl Rove.
Dishonorable, unnatural, atypical, impure or icky. Whatever he calls it, he says it is worthy of death.
Now I suppose you will tell me that in the paradiddle translation of the gnortic epistles, "death" translates as "nose tweak".
Your words are foolish and I do not hear them.

But, the issue is what, specifically, he is saying is worthy of death--the point of my post. You can either address that point reasonably--with scholarship and dialogue--or you can continue what you're doing... which is more akin to a childish taunt of "nuh-uh".

Look, I'm just saying that what you said to be a tenet of Christianity isn't actually a tenet... for a number of reasons, none of which you've refuted with anything more substantial than "its poop".

 

[The Mutt]

But, the issue is what, specifically, he is saying is worthy of death--the point of my post. You can either address that point reasonably--with scholarship and dialogue--or you can continue what you're doing... which is more akin to a childish taunt of "nuh-uh".

Look, I'm just saying that what you said to be a tenet of Christianity isn't actually a tenet... for a number of reasons, none of which you've refuted with anything more substantial than "its poop".

I didn't say that "God hates Fags" was a tenet, I said "non-believers go to Hell" was a tenet. I provided a quote from the world's leading authority on Christianity to back me up. What more do you want, a burning bush?

 

[The Mutt]

I have figured it out.
The smug superiority, the belief in biblical nonsense, the tenacious clinging to absurdities in the face of reason and common sense, the smirk.....
Joe Wordsworth is actually George W. Bush!!!!

 

[The Mutt]

But, the issue is what, specifically, he is saying is worthy of death--the point of my post. You can either address that point reasonably--with scholarship and dialogue--or you can continue what you're doing... which is more akin to a childish taunt of "nuh-uh".

Look, I'm just saying that what you said to be a tenet of Christianity isn't actually a tenet... for a number of reasons, none of which you've refuted with anything more substantial than "its poop".

Paul says that men having sex with men is worthy of death. It is right there in black and white. What part of it confusing to you?

And it is poop.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by The Mutt
I didn't say that "God hates Fags" was a tenet, I said "non-believers go to Hell" was a tenet. I provided a quote from the world's leading authority on Christianity to back me up. What more do you want, a burning bush?

To be fair, you said "we are right, you are wrong, and if you don't start believing like we do, you get tortured for all eternity."

That may not actually be a tenet of Christianity based on Paul's Letters to the Romans, amongst other sources. Which led to "but Paul's letter to the Romans said all sorts of bad stuff", which led to "possibly, but interpretation on that isn't solid".

Regardless, "we are right, you are wrong, and if you don't start believing like we do, you get tortured for all eternity" is not actually a tenet of Christianity. Billy Graham is not the world's leading authority on Christianity.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by The Mutt
Paul says that men having sex with men is worthy of death. It is right there in black and white. What part of it confusing to you?

And it is poop.

No part is confusing me. I gave my reasons why that may not be the case. Please feel free to address them, if you don't believe them to be possible or accurate. What part about that is confusing you?

 

[The Mutt]

You say that Billy Graham is not the world's leading authority on christianity. Millions say he is and have said so for decades, including presidents of the most powerful nation on earth.
Since the issue is the threat christianity poses to humanity, I think their opinions matter more than yours or mine.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Not relevant to the thread, but they think they found the cave where John the Bapitist performed his rites. How cool is that?

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by The Mutt
You say that Billy Graham is not the world's leading authority on christianity. Millions say he is and have said so for decades, including presidents of the most powerful nation on earth.
Since the issue is the threat christianity poses to humanity, I think their opinions matter more than yours or mine.

And the other millions who say he isn't the world's leading authority? And the academic and scholarly community? And the people who are simply not Protestant? What about their opinion?

Damn, if you're riding 'millions believe Billy Graham to be the end all of Christian authority, thus he is", you really need to get out more.

 

[Guest]

I thought Billy Connolly was the world's leading authority on religion.



Lou - seriously deluded.

 

[The Mutt]

I thought Billy Connolly was the world's leading authority on religion.



Lou - seriously deluded.

I'd go with Bill Hicks as the world's leading authority on everything.
Goddess, I miss him!

 

[The Mutt]

And the other millions who say he isn't the world's leading authority? And the academic and scholarly community? And the people who are simply not Protestant? What about their opinion?

Damn, if you're riding 'millions believe Billy Graham to be the end all of Christian authority, thus he is", you really need to get out more.

If millions believe something, including the Commander in Chief, it doesn't matter if it is true or not. That's the way it is out in the real world. Ah, the perils of an Ole Miss education.

 

[pop_54]

Not relevant to the thread, but they think they found the cave where John the Bapitist performed his rites. How cool is that?

Wow... were there stains on the wall or something then

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Wow... were there stains on the wall or something then

No old towels and empty Aquafina bottles.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by The Mutt
If millions believe something, including the Commander in Chief, it doesn't matter if it is true or not. That's the way it is out in the real world. Ah, the perils of an Ole Miss education.

Hold on... let's see if I understand this correctly.

The perils of an education at the University of Mississippi is that I don't accept as universally true things that a small subst of the population and the President of the United States believes?

I mean, you're saying that I have some sort of unfortunate education because I don't happen to agree with the current President of the United States (a temporary position) and a handful of Protestants (a justifiable relative term considering how many people consider themselves Christian in the world)?

Nevermind the fact that the way it is out in the real world includes far, far, far more people... which does substantially evidence against your point. What is your justification for your position?

 

[The Mutt]

Hold on... let's see if I understand this correctly.

The perils of an education at the University of Mississippi is that I don't accept as universally true things that a small subst of the population and the President of the United States believes?

I mean, you're saying that I have some sort of unfortunate education because I don't happen to agree with the current President of the United States (a temporary position) and a handful of Protestants (a justifiable relative term considering how many people consider themselves Christian in the world)?

Nevermind the fact that the way it is out in the real world includes far, far, far more people... which does substantially evidence against your point. What is your justification for your position?

Okay, you don't understand it correctly. I'll type more slowly. I didn't say that millions believing something makes it true. I said that millions believing something makes it matter. Especially if one of them has the power to send the most powerful army in human history to war.
You really need to smoke some pot and go throw a frisbee on the quad, kid. Yo 'tato been bakin' too long.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by The Mutt
Okay, you don't understand it correctly. I'll type more slowly. I didn't say that millions believing something makes it true. I said that millions believing something makes it matter. Especially if one of them has the power to send the most powerful army in human history to war.
You really need to smoke some pot and go throw a frisbee on the quad, kid. Yo 'tato been bakin' too long.

To defend your notion that "Christianity says gays should be put to death" you used notions from Billy Graham saying that he was the world's leading authority on Christianity because millions of people and the President think so. I said that such a support is a small subset of the Christian population, making him not-"The world's leading authority on Christianity"... as such, his word is not evidence on what--truthfully--Christianity holds as true and not true.

Using reference is a matter of truth. You were using one.

So, if millions believe something--and it, thus, matters... your statement is less correct, as more people don't accept Billy Graham as the "World's leading authority on Christianity" than do. And more powerful positions also do not believe that than the US Presidency.

Leave the "pot and frisbees and quad" stuff out of it, please. It only makes you seem less interested in debating this intelligently and more interested in attacking character.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Not relevant to the thread, but they think they found the cave where John the Bapitist performed his rites. How cool is that?

First you have to prove that John the Baptist existed, then we can talk

 

[Guest]

What preacher doesn't live for the chance to bring a pornographer to the Lord? They probably fantasize about converting atheists the way other men fantasize about converting lesbians.

Think of the jewelry and flowers and the candlelit dinners in the church social hall.

And jello!

You can't have a church social to convert sinners without at least 16 different kinds of jello!

 

[The Mutt]

To defend your notion that "Christianity says gays should be put to death" you used notions from Billy Graham saying that he was the world's leading authority on Christianity because millions of people and the President think so. I said that such a support is a small subset of the Christian population, making him not-"The world's leading authority on Christianity"... as such, his word is not evidence on what--truthfully--Christianity holds as true and not true.

Using reference is a matter of truth. You were using one.

So, if millions believe something--and it, thus, matters... your statement is less correct, as more people don't accept Billy Graham as the "World's leading authority on Christianity" than do. And more powerful positions also do not believe that than the US Presidency.

Leave the "pot and frisbees and quad" stuff out of it, please. It only makes you seem less interested in debating this intelligently and more interested in attacking character.

Well, I was willing to let this enjoyable tete a tete go on ad infinitum, but when you said that POTUS is not the most powerful person in the world I realized that the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top of your ivory tower. You should be doing your homework anyway.
I really do want to suggest that you blow a number, drink some dark beer and have some sweaty sex with a bohemian girl with hairy armpits who reads poetry at the coffee house. That's what college is all about. You'll have 40 more years to be a prig.
And, Tiger fan that I am, I leave you with this thought:

Q: What did the Ole Miss philosophy major say to the pornographer?

A: "Is it within the realm of rational possibility that you might require fries with that?"