I'm glad of its under 18 rule

[lovecraft68]

I wish there was an over 50 IQ rule in literotica stories.

They discussed it, but the site realized they'd lose most of the traffic in the Loving wives category.

 

[SimonDoom]

Double standard in perception. Woman teacher does this with a student she should be crucified
Male teacher does it, he's a hero, and odds are the little whore was teasing him and he's innocent, as men always are.

It's not my double standard. I don't think this way. Keep in mind I'm not making a judgment about the propriety of the teacher's conduct; obviously it's wrong and should be punished if found out, regardless of the gender. I'm just talking about my perspective as a 16-year-old.

 

[Andrew1968]

I wanted to be with more than a few of my attractive female teachers when I was 15 or 16. From that point of view, I love these stories where an older and attractive female teacher seduces or is seduced by a younger male student. I tend to read those stories when they pop up. From the point of view of an older, more responsible and mature male, however, I think: oh my God, why did you do that??? What were you thinking???

Any so called coming-of-age situation, whether fantasy or reality, does capture my imagination - of course, in real life, you have pregnancy, real people dealing with real feelings, issues related to possible imprisonment, job loss, broken marriages, mental health issues, controlling behavior, possible blackmail, media exposure, loss of reputation etc., etc. It goes on and on. It's just not worth it.

I remember reading a story about two attractive married female teachers who had a threesome with a 16-year-old after a football game a few years back. Apparently, the threesome between the two teachers and the student went on for hours and hours. The story on one level is so delicious as a coming-of-age story, but it’s also frankly outrageous. Those two teachers managed to get away with no jail time from memory. They lost their careers and their marriages though. Sometime doing something irrational leads to big bad consequences.

 

[alohadave]

Double standard in perception. Woman teacher does this with a student she should be crucified.
Male teacher does it, he's a hero, and odds are the little whore was teasing him and he's innocent, as men always are.

That's not how this typically plays out. When an older woman teacher has an affair with an underage boy, almost universally the comments are: "where was she when I was in school?" from men.

Men doing it is creepy and gross. So there is a double standard, but it's in favor of the woman.

You have your perceptions flipped.

 

[TheRedChamber]

That's not how this typically plays out. When an older woman teacher has an affair with an underage boy, almost universally the comments are: "where was she when I was in school?" from men.

Men doing it is creepy and gross. So there is a double standard, but it's in favor of the woman.

You have your perceptions flipped.

This.

The other difference is that female perp male victim is so much more rare that when it does happen the Daily Mail goes extra nuts for it.

 

[Rob_Royale]

I'm very thankful for the rule also. Without it I think we'd see far worse content than that article.

 

[Agent0069]

Whenever I see a “everyone is over 18 years old” disclaimer on a story, I think it would be funny to write a maternity hospital (workplace romance?) story that first goes like “All the characters in this story are over the age of 18. Yes, all of them”, and then like “…she walked to a crib, where newborn eighteen years old teens were crying and screaming, realising that the childhood is over, and now it’s time to think about college admission, career, and credit scores,” but I just don’t have the rest of the story yet.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Whenever I see a “everyone is over 18 years old” disclaimer on a story, I think it would be funny to write a maternity hospital (workplace romance?) story that first goes like “All the characters in this story are over the age of 18. Yes, all of them”, and then like “…she walked to a crib, where newborn eighteen years old teens were crying and screaming, realising that the childhood is over, and now it’s time to think about college admission, career, and credit scores,” but I just don’t have the rest of the story yet.

Sounds like the recent Doctor Who episode Space Babies, only even more unnerving.

The Daily Mail is trash at the best of times - when not telling you what item this week causes/cures cancer, it's all about how something disgusting happened and we'll ensure you know every disgusting detail we can possibly find out for your rage porn kick.

The current British age of consent is 16 for all sexualities, but there are provisos for u18s:

It is illegal:
- to take, show or distribute indecent photographs of a child under the age of 18 (this includes images shared through sexting or sharing nudes)

- to sexually exploit a child under the age of 18

- for a person in a position of trust (for example teachers or care workers) to engage in sexual activity with anyone under the age of 18 who is in the care of their organisation.

The one about being in a position of trust has changed cultures hugely in a generation, with universities and colleges also adding rules against any such activity. Compared to In My Day (the 90s) where tutors shagging students was normal and some seemed to compete for how many they could be exempted for having to mark work for.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The one about being in a position of trust has changed cultures hugely in a generation, with universities and colleges also adding rules against any such activity. Compared to In My Day (the 90s) where tutors shagging students was normal and some seemed to compete for how many they could be exempted for having to mark work for.

I remember reading a bio of some eminent scientist a while back; I can't remember the guy's name now, but he left his wife for one of his female grad students, and then a few years later he left her for a newer, younger grad student. For whoever wrote the bio, that was just a minor biographical detail, the kind of thing professors do.

And one closer to home, who got so blatant about preying on his grad students and engineering situations where they couldn't say no to him that the university actually took disciplinary action against him; I lost track of him after that but on googling, looks like it didn't do too much lasting harm to his career.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I remember reading a bio of some eminent scientist a while back; I can't remember the guy's name now, but he left his wife for one of his female grad students, and then a few years later he left her for a newer, younger grad student. For whoever wrote the bio, that was just a minor biographical detail, the kind of thing professors do.

And one closer to home, who got so blatant about preying on his grad students and engineering situations where they couldn't say no to him that the university actually took disciplinary action against him; I lost track of him after that but on googling, looks like it didn't do too much lasting harm to his career.

I think the only difference between scientists and uni lecturers, and other professions, is the former tended to be fairly open about it, partly to keep exams fairly controlled. My Lit stories about scientists are remarkably chaste compared to reality - I had to wait in a corridor one morning and saw 20 people emerging from rooms with people that weren't their spouses, maybe half the pairings being consensually non-monogamous - but I also allude to the common experience of encountering predatory senior researchers who 'everyone knows' about.

I recall one chap had been reported to his institution enough that it was decided he wouldn't be allowed to have any female staff in his lab for the next seven years. At which point he acquired a female postdoc, a PhD student, and a technician. Within a few months they were well aware of the history, with the student unsure whether to be offended he didn't grope her or just relieved (the tech was in regular tears, the postdoc had defended herself physically, at great cost to her future career). He did get fired a few years later - but came back as a 'consultant' six months after that. No obvious detriment beyond a short blip to his career.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I recall one chap had been reported to his institution enough that it was decided he wouldn't be allowed to have any female staff in his lab for the next seven years.

Which of course means fewer opportunities for female staff :-/

 

[stickygirl]

The cited examples of college professors shagging their female students as a tolerated practise are hardly pertinent, given that they'll be over 18. A good friend of mine did exactly that with the aim of improving her results.


An U18 minx who has learnt how to manipulate men with her burgeoning sexuality might still need protected from herself, in the same way a drunk shouldn't drive. "She was a gold-digger / a player / a slut, so how could any man be expected to resist?" is a defence that plays to the tune of the abuser and dirty old man. That defence tacitly acknowledges that all boys lusted for the 15 yr old school heart throb... and they still do in their 30s, 40s, 60s... Men never grow out of their sixth form crushes. Perhaps the male judge, nodding at his bench, remembers that girl with a sigh?


In the end, examples of U18 minxes or horny boys and their odd female teachers are irrelevant: they are fortunately a minority of children. Even if we said 50% of U18s were stable, mature young adults able to cope with the consequences of an age-imbalanced encounter, what about the other 50%?


The law, and rules of Lit by extension, is less concerned with happy, well balanced youngsters enjoying fulfilling and exciting U18 sexual adventures, but more concerned by the unconfident kids who may be susceptible to abuse. As adults we have a duty to protect all children and all U18s. You might fantasise about abuse in your head, but to communicate it to other people is still a crime.


I'm glad of it too. It's a nice rule that takes the burden of uncertainty out of my hands.

 

[nice90sguy]

. "She was a gold-digger / a player / a slut, so how could any man be expected to resist?" is a defence

No lawyer would take that tack. You're confusing public opinion, tabloid press and gossip, with the law, which is way less hysterical, prurient and sensalionalist.

 

[stickygirl]

[Politics and trolling prohibited per our AH Forum Rules]
Huh??
Does mentioning a past president without names = political. Wow. Like the Stasi in here, but I'd sooner see the whole thread locked

 

[nice90sguy]

but then a past US president might call a woman he raped a "whack job" and "she's not my type"

As would a future US president.

This is old stuff. I assumed with your talking of "male judges nodding at their benches", you were trying to portray actual judges, in actual courts. That's a stereotype of what goes on in a court, and pretty off the mark.

My own experience make it pretty clear to me that seduction and coercion can go in both directions, and that starts below the literotica miniumum age. But the law, quite correctly, has to make a cutoff age, below which apportioning blame in that way becomes irrelevant.

 

[stickygirl]

As would a future US president.

This is old stuff. I assumed with your talking of "male judges nodding at their benches", you were trying to portray actual judges, in actual courts. That's a stereotype of what goes on in a court, and pretty off the mark.

My own experience make it pretty clear to me that seduction and coercion can go in both directions, and that starts below the literotica miniumum age. But the law, quite correctly, has to make a cutoff age, below which apportioning blame in that way becomes irrelevant.

Yeah... I'll concede my point was not central, but anecdotal. The point I made, clearly not well, was that the U18 laws are there for good reasons. Quite why so many authors at Lit keep whingeing about the rules ( this is second thread in a month in AH ) baffles me.

 

[djrip]

Can you imagine a sixteen year old boy being gay or asexual or waiting for marriage or even into another girl...?

Also this.

If I were gay or asexual or waiting for marriage or into another girl I probably wouldn't have sex with the teacher. Problem solved.

 

[joy_of_cooking]

If I were gay or asexual or waiting for marriage or into another girl I probably wouldn't have sex with the teacher. Problem solved.

Well, that's the point, right? You might not get the choice.

 

[djrip]

If I'm forced, that's one thing, and it's not the scenario that was described. This is like if someone said they like sex and then someone else goes, but what if it's rape, did you think of that?

If the point is that people think it would be like rape even without force because she's older or in a position of authority, I believe that can apply to some 16 year olds (and some 22 or 25 year olds!), but I was speaking about my recollection of myself as a minor. Either I would have been into it, or I wouldn't have done it (absent force). I think the majority of 16 year old boys have that degree of agency. Of course I'm talking about a normal environment as well. Put a kid in a boarding school or some other situation where they don't have anyone to turn to besides their abusers, and sure, they could possibly be broken down into submitting without physical force. But again, that wasn't the scenario being discussed.

Actually, I think it's similar to minors drinking. They want to do it, some of them anyway. They might even beg you to help them. They won't be traumatized, if the drinking goes down without complications like a car crash or alcohol poisoning. Those possibilities are part of the reason we should not help minors drink, but not the whole reason. Even if the kids want to drink, and nothing bad happens, it's still not right to help them do it. But that does not mean it's traumatizing to them.

 

[Bramblethorn]

If I were gay or asexual or waiting for marriage or into another girl I probably wouldn't have sex with the teacher. Problem solved.

You'd be surprised how many gay/ace 16-year-olds end up having hetero sex they don't want and don't enjoy, because they're trying to convince themselves they're straight. That's a hard enough situation without being exacerbated by older folk who should know better.

 

[djrip]

You'd be surprised how many gay/ace 16-year-olds end up having hetero sex they don't want and don't enjoy, because they're trying to convince themselves they're straight. That's a hard enough situation without being exacerbated by older folk who should know better.

That's a good point and I feel for them. My personal experience is so far away from that, I can't even imagine anyone pressuring me to have sex with them. I mean I'm happy with the amount of sex I've had but I've had to work for it, no one was working to get it from me! People talk similarly about how you have to put effort into not cheating... I've never felt like cheating was even on the table for me to have to resist. I would have to put effort into cheating, not into *not* cheating. It's not going to just happen by itself!

 

[KeithD]

You'd be surprised how many gay/ace 16-year-olds end up having hetero sex they don't want and don't enjoy, because they're trying to convince themselves they're straight. That's a hard enough situation without being exacerbated by older folk who should know better.

Well, yes, at sixteen I knew I was at least bi and leaning gay, but knew that it would be too much of a hassle in the society at the time, and much too much of a problem given where my parents--and ultimately I--worked to exercise that preference. I was ten years into a marriage (which I'm now fifty-six years into) and two children later before I opened that part of my life. But at sixteen I did believe there was more there than hetero. I think I've managed without hyperventilating about it. I learned early on that we can't have everything we want, so to just enjoy what we can have.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

Well, I think the USA is the only conservative country when it comes to the age of consent, most countries around the world it's 16. There are some that's lower. Maybe Lit should look at hosting in Portugal

As far as I know, only Cali, Jersey, Nevada, has their age of consent as 18. It's painfully obvious why Cali and Nevada would do that. Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee are 16, so are some others, and the rest are 17. Some countries are lower than 16, I think there's a country where it's 10. I know we have them, not sure about other places, but we also have Romeo&Juliet laws.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I may take heat for this, but if at the age of 16 I'd had an attractive 30-something teacher come on to me and something happened, I would not have felt abused or taken advantage of. I probably would have thought I'd hit the jackpot.

Same. Lmao.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

As far as I know, only Cali, Jersey, Nevada, has their age of consent as 18. It's painfully obvious why Cali and Nevada would do that. Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee are 16, so are some others, and the rest are 17. Some countries are lower than 16, I think there's a country where it's 10. I know we have them, not sure about other places, but we also have Romeo&Juliet laws.

What about exceptions for marriage? Isn't that the main reason to oppose child marriage in the current US debates, that it legalises sex with the child?

Obviously I don't believe for a moment the child would be safe from rape once married off, but a law against consummating such a marriage would be a start.