I'm Now Immune to Trolling [Roasted by Grok]

[yowser]

Aww @HeyAll If we knew you wanted it, the AH would happily roast you. Free of charge of course.

By the way, why is it called "roasting?" Anyone knows the etymology? Why not baking or cooking... or stewing? Actually, pancaking makes the most sense to me.
Someone solve this mystery and I'll pancake them for free.

Well, I'll decline the pancake, but here's the OED, fourth meaning of the noun. It's been around for awhile:

4. An instance of severe criticism or scolding; a roasting. Now chiefly North American: a mock serious ceremony at which a guest of honour is subjected to good-humoured ridicule or banter.

1740
The Knight bore the roast with great fortitude.
M. Delany, Autobiography & Correspondence (1861) vol. II. 74

1754
David Gam, Esq; was a proper Subject for a Roast.
J. Shebbeare, Marriage Act vol. I. xxxvi. 238

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Well, I'll decline the pancake, but here's the OED, fourth meaning of the noun. It's been around for awhile:

4. An instance of severe criticism or scolding; a roasting. Now chiefly North American: a mock serious ceremony at which a guest of honour is subjected to good-humoured ridicule or banter.

1740
The Knight bore the roast with great fortitude.
M. Delany, Autobiography & Correspondence (1861) vol. II. 74

1754
David Gam, Esq; was a proper Subject for a Roast.
J. Shebbeare, Marriage Act vol. I. xxxvi. 238

Roasting as a word with that specific meaning isn't new to me. But I hoped for some story about when the ridicule, good-humored or otherwise, was first called "roasting" and why.

 

[NuclearFairy]

Roasting as a word with that specific meaning isn't new to me. But I hoped for some story about when the ridicule, good-humored or otherwise, was first called "roasting" and why.

I think for the same reason it's called a burn when you land a good insult on someone.

 

[gunhilltrain]

The Royal navy swore by rivets and tar and we all know they were adroit at transporting vast quantities of seamen across the terraqueous globe.

Yet when things went wrong for the Royal Navy, they did so in a big way.

 

[gunhilltrain]

That's why I joined the marines.

Yet as shown above, ships are great places to be until suddenly, they are not. I'd rather take my chances on land.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Aww @HeyAll If we knew you wanted it, the AH would happily roast you. Free of charge of course.

By the way, why is it called "roasting?" Anyone knows the etymology? Why not baking or cooking... or stewing? Actually, pancaking makes the most sense to me.
Someone solve this mystery and I'll pancake them for free.

I propose deep-frying and boiling to the mix.

 

[XerXesXu]

Yet as shown above, ships are great places to be until suddenly, they are not. I'd rather take my chances on land.

When we land, the land becomes a far less safe place to be. Would you have rather been on the Barham or in an American tank. They were called Ronsons because in the words of the advert, they 'light up first time, every time'. The crews got a slow roasting. Nasty.

There were 126 Royals on the Barham; it was traditional for them to crew one gun-deck.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Yet when things went wrong for the Royal Navy, they did so in a big way.

The RN copped it far worse during the First World War.

Sir David Beatty, Commander of the Battle Cruiser Fleet during the Battle of Jutland is remembered for his remark that, "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today", after two of them exploded, with a loss of lives of around a thousand crew on each ship.

German gunnery was better than the Brits because of their superior range gun sights. German armour was also thicker, but their Navy didn't have as many ships.

 

[gunhilltrain]

When we land, the land becomes a far less safe place to be. Would you have rather been on the Barham or in an American tank. They were called Ronsons because in the words of the advert, they 'light up first time, every time'. The crews got a slow roasting. Nasty.

There were 126 Royals on the Barham; it was traditional for them to crew one gun-deck.

I wouldn't want to be in a tank either. They may be armored, but they also blow up quite well. I wouldn't want to be in anything with that much ammunition and fuel around.

The Marine Corps? I have to respect anybody who can do that one. What inspired you to join?

 

[XerXesXu]

The Marine Corps? I have to respect anybody who can do that one. What inspired you to join?

My school was a Sea cadet school, and I joined the RM Cadets. At that time all the chat was about the Malayan Emergency and the role the marines played in chasing the insurgents into the jungle. It sounded exotic and romantic, and I thought I'd like to do that. I applied to join the Reserves at the barracks before I went to university. They put me through a few exercises and told me my cardio and legs were fine, but I needed develop my core and upper body to pass the 4-day RM candidate test. They put me on a regime of diet and exercise, and I attended 1 night a week for eight months before I was ready to take the candidates test at the Commando Training Centre in Lympstone in Devon. A lot of guys failed because they hadn't been forewarned of the need for all round muscular development, some who passed were on their second attempt.

About a year later I passed out as a General Service Marine. But guess what role the marines were tasked by NATO to do - the defence of northern Europe. Ice and snow. The Finns had defeated Russia in WW2, so small specialist forces were thought particularly appropriate for those conditions. So, who got the Jungle gig? The Chindits developed the techniques of jungle warfare in WW2 and successfully outfought the Japanese. A Chindit officer was tasked with training a unit to fight the insurgents in the jungle; he assembled a group of regulars, mostly former Chindits, called The Malayan Scouts. They parachuted into the jungle, and were supplied by air so they could operate for long periods in the insurgents' rear, tracking and ambushing them. At the end of the emergency, they were Renamed as 22 SAS and continue as the regular SAS regiment to this day.

General Service Marines are required to deploy at 48hrs notice to snowy and mountainous, desert, and jungle environments, so there's a load of continuation training and loads of opportunities to request to join this or that training course. I did get my jungle training, in due course. Whilst the marines host commando training, the army hosts jungle training, now based in Brunie. The Gurkhas have a big footprint on jungle warfare instruction.

 

[gunhilltrain]

The RN copped it far worse during the First World War.

Sir David Beatty, Commander of the Battle Cruiser Fleet during the Battle of Jutland is remembered for his remark that, "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today", after two of them exploded, with a loss of lives of around a thousand crew on each ship.

German gunnery was better than the Brits because of their superior range gun sights. German armour was also thicker, but their Navy didn't have as many ships.

I was going to mention Jutland, but this thread (and board) has drifted a lot into ships recently. I've always digressed on here. But after six years, I'm running out of things to say about blowjobs, for example.

 

[onehitwanda]

drifted a lot into ships recently

COLREGS!

 

[gunhilltrain]

COLREGS!

You have to be alert on this board, or just look up a lot of things. International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea.

I noticed that the captain of the carrier Truman just got "relieved of his command," or fired in other words, after that collision with a cargo ship. I don't know enough about it all yet to say if he being scapegoated or not.

 

[onehitwanda]

You have to be alert on this board

I just love Navals...

 

[gunhilltrain]

My school was a Sea cadet school, and I joined the RM Cadets. At that time all the chat was about the Malayan Emergency and the role the marines played in chasing the insurgents into the jungle. It sounded exotic and romantic, and I thought I'd like to do that. I applied to join the Reserves at the barracks before I went to university. They put me through a few exercises and told me my cardio and legs were fine, but I needed develop my core and upper body to pass the 4-day RM candidate test. They put me on a regime of diet and exercise, and I attended 1 night a week for eight months before I was ready to take the candidates test at the Commando Training Centre in Lympstone in Devon. A lot of guys failed because they hadn't been forewarned of the need for all round muscular development, some who passed were on their second attempt.

About a year later I passed out as a General Service Marine. But guess what role the marines were tasked by NATO to do - the defence of northern Europe. Ice and snow. The Finns had defeated Russia in WW2, so small specialist forces were thought particularly appropriate for those conditions. So, who got the Jungle gig? The Chindits developed the techniques of jungle warfare in WW2 and successfully outfought the Japanese. A Chindit officer was tasked with training a unit to fight the insurgents in the jungle; he assembled a group of regulars, mostly former Chindits, called The Malayan Scouts. They parachuted into the jungle, and were supplied by air so they could operate for long periods in the insurgents' rear, tracking and ambushing them. At the end of the emergency, they were Renamed as 22 SAS and continue as the regular SAS regiment to this day.

General Service Marines are required to deploy at 48hrs notice to snowy and mountainous, desert, and jungle environments, so there's a load of continuation training and loads of opportunities to request to join this or that training course. I did get my jungle training, in due course. Whilst the marines host commando training, the army hosts jungle training, now based in Brunie. The Gurkhas have a big footprint on jungle warfare instruction.

Thank you for the information. I never knew what nationality you were, although you must have mentioned it somewhere. There are a lot of people on here.

I'm also not up on much of the history you mentioned. The Malayan Emergency ended in 1960, but there was a second insurgency that ended in 1989. If you mean the first one, you must be quite a bit older than I am. The Chindits were formed during World War II, but I guess you are referring to 22 SAS.

Were you ever actually deployed by NATO in Europe? I've heard of Brunei, but I had to check where it was.

https://thechinditsociety.org.uk/about-chindits

 

[XerXesXu]

Thank you for the information. I never knew what nationality you were, although you must have mentioned it somewhere. There are a lot of people on here.

I'm also not up on much of the history you mentioned. The Malayan Emergency ended in 1960, but there was a second insurgency that ended in 1989. If you mean the first one, you must be quite a bit older than I am. The Chindits were formed during World War II, but I guess you are referring to 22 SAS.

Were you ever actually deployed by NATO in Europe? I've heard of Brunei, but I had to check where it was.

https://thechinditsociety.org.uk/about-chindits

I'm 75.

We frequently trained and exercised in Arctic and Mountain warfare, in Norway; had there been an attack by the Warsaw Pact we would have been deployed within two days to Northern Europe.

The Special Services, who were all volunteer, were reorganised after the war. The new units were called, mostly, Commandos, they preferred not to be called e.g. SS Battalions. The SAS ceased to exist as the SAS. One regiment became the Parachute Regiment, the SBS became the swimmer-canoeist specialisation in the marines. The Chindits never were Special Services, they were various conscripts from the UK, India and West Africa, white, brown, and black. They simply found themselves fighting the Japanese and did what they had to do - mastered jungle warfare. The NATO forces on the north German plain expected to be overrun by the Warsaw Pact armour if it attacked, the doctrine was to withdraw into the villages, which their armour would bypass, and emerge and attack them from the rear. The Warsaw Pact had tactical nuclear weapons which had to be neutralised. 21 SAS was raised, as a reserve force, in 1948 and tasked with penetrating behind enemy lines identifying the tactical nukes, and destroying them, or targeting them for artillery or air attack.

The Chindits ceased to be. They were conscripts and all went home. After the Malayan insurgency had dragged on for several years, a former Chindit regular officer was appointed to use his jungle warfare skills to move things up a gear. He formed a unit called the Malay Scouts, largely from other former Chindits. They lived and fought in the jungle, being inserted by parachute, and now helicopter, and being supported and supplied in the same way. These were all regular soldiers and went on to become 22 SAS, the regular regiment of the SAS.

Later, during the Indonesian Confrontation, 22 SAS as well as the Australian SAS, took a lead role in some very murky and clandestine warfare. They were supported by units of the regular army as conscription had ended.

Singapore and Malaya became independent and British jungle warfare training was transferred to Dubai. The Malayan Commandos still train at Johore. They're a very tough bunch.

Special Service doctrine has constantly evolved since 1949. With the advent of the helicopter both the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marine Commandos converged as air-mobile, rapid response, light infantry formations. For most of my service that's what the marines were. Specialist Skill Qualifications evolved - Arctic and Mountain leader (and Cadre) emerged from the mutation of Cliff Leader then Reconnaissance Leader, swimmer- canoeists remerged as the Special Boat/Section/Squadron/Service. Now they're on The Future Commando Force, which is a rather smaller corps with clearly defined specialist roles - protection of oil fields, protection of nuclear submarines etc. there's now a concept of first and second tier Special Services. Some, effectively, sub-units are first tier, and the remainder participate as second tier in the Special Services Support Group.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm 75.

We frequently trained and exercised in Arctic and Mountain warfare, in Norway; had there been an attack by the Warsaw Pact we would have been deployed within two days to Northern Europe.

The Special Services, who were all volunteer, were reorganised after the war. The new units were called, mostly, Commandos, they preferred not to be called e.g. SS Battalions. The SAS ceased to exist as the SAS. One regiment became the Parachute Regiment, the SBS became the swimmer-canoeist specialisation in the marines. The Chindits never were Special Services, they were various conscripts from the UK, India and West Africa, white, brown, and black. They simply found themselves fighting the Japanese and did what they had to do - mastered jungle warfare. The NATO forces on the north German plain expected to be overrun by the Warsaw Pact armour if it attacked, the doctrine was to withdraw into the villages, which their armour would bypass, and emerge and attack them from the rear. The Warsaw Pact had tactical nuclear weapons which had to be neutralised. 21 SAS was raised, as a reserve force, in 1948 and tasked with penetrating behind enemy lines identifying the tactical nukes, and destroying them, or targeting them for artillery or air attack.

The Chindits ceased to be. They were conscripts and all went home. After the Malayan insurgency had dragged on for several years, a former Chindit regular officer was appointed to use his jungle warfare skills to move things up a gear. He formed a unit called the Malay Scouts, largely from other former Chindits. They lived and fought in the jungle, being inserted by parachute, and now helicopter, and being supported and supplied in the same way. These were all regular soldiers and went on to become 22 SAS, the regular regiment of the SAS.

Later, during the Indonesian Confrontation, 22 SAS as well as the Australian SAS, took a lead role in some very murky and clandestine warfare. They were supported by units of the regular army as conscription had ended.

Singapore and Malaya became independent and British jungle warfare training was transferred to Dubai. The Malayan Commandos still train at Johore. They're a very tough bunch.

Special Service doctrine has constantly evolved since 1949. With the advent of the helicopter both the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marine Commandos converged as air-mobile, rapid response, light infantry formations. For most of my service that's what the marines were. Specialist Skill Qualifications evolved - Arctic and Mountain leader (and Cadre) emerged from the mutation of Cliff Leader then Reconnaissance Leader, swimmer- canoeists remerged as the Special Boat/Section/Squadron/Service. Now they're on The Future Commando Force, which is a rather smaller corps with clearly defined specialist roles - protection of oil fields, protection of nuclear submarines etc. there's now a concept of first and second tier Special Services. Some, effectively, sub-units are first tier, and the remainder participate as second tier in the Special Services Support Group.

I took me a while to ponder all of this. You are about five years older than I am, thus I assume you joined the RM Cadets in the late 1960s. Am I correct? I'm trying to align the historical record (much of which is not familiar to me) with what you did personally. It's a lot to take in.

 

[XerXesXu]

I took me a while to ponder all of this. You are about five years older than I am, thus I assume you joined the RM Cadets in the late 1960s. Am I correct? I'm trying to align the historical record (much of which is not familiar to me) with what you did personally. It's a lot to take in.

The RM Cadets are like Boy Scouts - an organisation for kids aged ~ 12 to 16. They were an extra-curricular option at our school. Many schools have an Army Cadet Force, mine happened to be a Sea Cadet school, I suppose because the relevant masters were ex-Navy. I joined the cadets in 1962 and left when I left school. I went to volunteer for the RM Reserves in 1967 and passed out in 1969.