Impeach Trump

[Boxlicker101]

The threat, the talk, the speculation about impeachment is a useful political tool to drum up engagement and donations.

The actual impeachment is another story. During impeachment proof has to be provided and it brings to people thoughts on whether it's the right thing to do or not. Forget about preaching to the choir, at that stage, they'll be trying to convince the unconvinced.

The cautionary tale out there is the Clinton impeachment. Even though Clinton was successfully impeached by the house, he was not convicted in the Senate (due to the math of the Senate at the time and the sixty vote threshold).

Through the process Clinton's approval numbers rose and he skated to re-election.

There is something fundamental in the American character that a.) roots for the underdog and b.) dislikes government over-reach. So what the leadership has to consider carefully before they start down the path is a.) is it provable to the skeptics and undecided voters and b.) will it have the effect we desire.

If the answer to either of those question is no and at this point, the math is prohibitive on getting the Senate to agree on impeachment just on strict party lines. They will have to have solid enough evidence to compel a good number of Republicans to vote for it, politicians who are NOT inclined to support impeachment.

So the very real risk is that a failed attempt at impeachment is interpreted by the undecideds as political shenanigans and simple insures his re-election in 2020.

However, they could talk and bluster to their hearts content, raise millions of dollars, mobilize the base - and never actually make the run at impeachment. They can make all the noise without having to actually "put up or shut up".

Ah, the political calculations that drive democracies.

According to Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution, the requirement is two thirds, which means 67 senators voting for impeachment.

I believe most Dems in the House are aware their constituencies would consider a serious attempt at impeachment to be just showboating and a waste of time, and the voters would remember it during the 2020 election campaign. There are a few, such as Maxine Waters, who might somewhat ingratiate themselves with voters, but the benefit they would derive are almost non-existent.

 

[Paul_Chance]

This post made me sad.

Because you're right. He can do whatever he wants and McConnel and everyone under him will still line up for the chance to suck his dick.

And presidents don't ride in open motorcades anymore so I... I just don't know what to do here.

Hail Caesar?

Stabbing. I'm talking about stabbing. Stab him 23 times.

Participate in the political process - donate to the causes that matter to you, truly educate yourself on those causes, know your arguments and your opponents arguments inside out, support the candidates who reflect your views, encourage your friends, neighbors, and associates to vote, offer to help them. There are ten thousand things, small, little things, that we can do every day to influence the process. Always keep in mind that shaping a culture or a society is a long term thing, full of ups and downs, successes and disappointment with the hope of moving the needle just a few degrees in the right direction over the course of political life. Evil is ceaseless and tireless and to oppose it you must be ceaseless and tireless and never slide down the slippery slope of becoming the very evil you oppose.

One of the things that has deeply disturbed me is how many liberal friends of mine advocate violence and injustice as a solution to violence and injustice. They behold the thing they hate and then they become that very thing. It's disheartening, but human. Always nurture hope, compassion and justice.

Personally, I don't even joke about violence as a political solution. As a young man I served as a military advisor in central America while several nations there were gripped in the horrors of civil war. It profoundly shaped me. Armchair warriors aside, most people just simply cannot imagine what neighbor against neighbor and brother and sisters against brothers and sisters really looks like. When the armchair warrior fantasize about political violence, they never fantasize about themselves or their loved ones laying dead in the streets, about the endemic, systemic and randomness of it. Political violence is a horrible beast that, when unleashed, leaves the streets running with blood and generational scars.

 

[KeithD]

Funny, none of my liberal friends talk about physical violence. I do, though, see something of that from the right nearly every day. It was rampant at the height of Trump's ego rallies.

 

[Paul_Chance]

According to Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution, the requirement is two thirds, which means 67 senators voting for impeachment.

I believe most Dems in the House are aware their constituencies would consider a serious attempt at impeachment to be just showboating and a waste of time, and the voters would remember it during the 2020 election campaign. There are a few, such as Maxine Waters, who might somewhat ingratiate themselves with voters, but the benefit they would derive are almost non-existent.

Thanks BoxLicker, I stand corrected.

 

[KeithD]

Well, except senators don't vote for impeachment. House members do. Senators vote for conviction and removal.


Box, as usual, got it all fouled up.


As far as constituent attitude toward removal of Trump, he didn't win the popular vote in the first place and since then he's busily alienated everyone he possibly can think of screwing. Don't kid yourself. A popular poll on him would heave him (and Pence) out in a heartbeat.

 

[Dribble]

Why should we impeach him? Who knew one person could destroy a Party?

 

[Kirkrapine]

Why should we impeach him? Who knew one person could destroy a Party?

Because of the danger he will destroy the country, or perhaps some other country.

 

[CandiCame]

Participate in the political process - donate to the causes that matter to you, truly educate yourself on those causes, know your arguments and your opponents arguments inside out, support the candidates who reflect your views, encourage your friends, neighbors, and associates to vote, offer to help them. There are ten thousand things, small, little things, that we can do every day to influence the process. Always keep in mind that shaping a culture or a society is a long term thing, full of ups and downs, successes and disappointment with the hope of moving the needle just a few degrees in the right direction over the course of political life. Evil is ceaseless and tireless and to oppose it you must be ceaseless and tireless and never slide down the slippery slope of becoming the very evil you oppose.

One of the things that has deeply disturbed me is how many liberal friends of mine advocate violence and injustice as a solution to violence and injustice. They behold the thing they hate and then they become that very thing. It's disheartening, but human. Always nurture hope, compassion and justice.

Personally, I don't even joke about violence as a political solution. As a young man I served as a military advisor in central America while several nations there were gripped in the horrors of civil war. It profoundly shaped me. Armchair warriors aside, most people just simply cannot imagine what neighbor against neighbor and brother and sisters against brothers and sisters really looks like. When the armchair warrior fantasize about political violence, they never fantasize about themselves or their loved ones laying dead in the streets, about the endemic, systemic and randomness of it. Political violence is a horrible beast that, when unleashed, leaves the streets running with blood and generational scars.

I don't have to. You... you really don't seem to understand the REALITY that conservatives are ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL SOME OF US. This isn't a fucking fantasy for us. Hate crimes are up for the third year in a row. People are dying.

You wanna talk about generational scars? My mamaw was one of those people kidnapped out of their fucking yards and sent to Americanization camps. I spent my whole life being told to be thankful for how white I looked because it probably meant that would never happen to me because I could fake my way through it.

I'm a fag in a red state with a vice president who has gone on record saying that he thinks kids should be tortured into pretending to like pussy. Who the rise in hate crime effects-

There a whole lot more to this shit, but you pretending like this is fucking theoretical pisses people off. People who think this shit is theoretical aren't people who see interment camps and watch the president say that there are /good/ nazis. I'm race traitor, a gender traitor- they are actively coming for me.

This is NOT theoretical for a lot of people. This isn't hypothetical. This isn't DIFFERENT from what you saw, and pretending it is is disingenuous. If people are advocating for violence, and I've never seen a group do that, but I have seen individuals do that, it's not because we're mean or whatever- it's because we're hitting back. It's because when someone wants you dead, slowly strips away your basic human rights and tells you to your face that you're going hang if they get their way- you have a RIGHT to be angry.

We've earned that anger over generations, and we have every right to it.

When I say stab him, I'm not exactly joking. The fucker wants me dead, and he's not joking. When you use that kind of public platform to commit the horrendous things this man has done that are actively harming people, it's not fucking "maybe these things will happen". These things ARE happening.

Don't act like people don't know what neighbor against neighbor looks like until you watch people close to you die knowing that there's nothing you can do. Your appeal to emotion will only work against people who aren't already part of this- and those people are already assholes. Those are the people who have the luxury to pretend that this isn't happening and to tell us that we're overreacting.

Trying to use one person's suffering to nullify another's is real fucked up. Pulling that "Other people have it worse so your pain doesn't matter" thing is LITERALLY something an abuser does to convince a victim they aren't being abused. No one is going to put up with it.

If people are angry and violent, they have every right.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I don't have to. You... you really don't seem to understand the REALITY that conservatives are ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL SOME OF US. This isn't a fucking fantasy for us. Hate crimes are up for the third year in a row. People are dying.

Would impeaching or assassinating Trump really improve things in that regard?

 

[CandiCame]

Would impeaching or assassinating Trump really improve things in that regard?

It would send a message that we're not going to put up with his BLATANT impeachable offenses. It would make Pence scared because he seems to be a human person and not so much a marketing ploy character that someone made up and now has to maintain.

He's a piece of shit but he'd know he was being checked and balanced.

Trump isn't just a person- he's a figurehead. His leadership shapes the culture and makes people think that emulating him is ok, and that's causing a lot of problems. If you prove that that's not the case, that actions do have consequences, it will change the zeitguist because those people will realize that they AREN'T special, they AREN'T allowed to just do that.

 

[Dribble]

Because of the danger he will destroy the country, or perhaps some other country.

Let him. We will never be united again. So better to separate into 4 new countries.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Well, except senators don't vote for impeachment. House members do. Senators vote for conviction and removal.


Box, as usual, got it all fouled up.


As far as constituent attitude toward removal of Trump, he didn't win the popular vote in the first place and since then he's busily alienated everyone he possibly can think of screwing. Don't kid yourself. A popular poll on him would heave him (and Pence) out in a heartbeat.

Picky, picky, picky. You have it fouled up this time. The last impeachment of a seated president resulted in a majority of senators voting against conviction and removal on one count, not for them, as you said. The other count was an even split. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/12/this-day-in-politics-feb-12-1999-401098

 

[cowslinger64]

Perhaps the senate has grown some balls? Or just see the writing on the wall..

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/senate-votes-stop-us-support-yemen-war-condemns-212009405.html



The Senate voted Thursday to withdraw U.S. military assistance for Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen in a 56-41 vote, a sharp rebuke to President Donald Trump for his steadfast defense of the kingdom despite bipartisan outrage over the alleged Saudi role in the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

It’s the first time the Senate has voted to withdraw forces from a war Congress didn't approve.


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OR..just a buncha impotent jackoffs?



But the measure is purely symbolic because the House of Representatives has refused to take it up before the end of the legislative year, assuring the measure will expire before making it to the president’s desk this year.

 

[bigsly]

I imagine Secret Service Santa might all of a sudden be interested in how this thread progresses from here, you know, just updating his pro-assassinating President Trump naughty list. Can't imagine anything more verboten to even mention here than that. Where's the moderation?

 

[Libsam]

This is the result of the Russian investigation, a video of Trump fucking.

 

[DeluxAuto]

This is the result of the Russian investigation, a video of Trump fucking.

Pardon me?

 

[KeithD]

Picky, picky, picky. You have it fouled up this time. The last impeachment of a seated president resulted in a majority of senators voting against conviction and removal on one count, not for them, as you said. The other count was an even split. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/12/this-day-in-politics-feb-12-1999-401098

Deflection, distraction. This has nothing to do with the point of my post--that you misstated what the Senate's role is in the removal process--and then were complimented for giving bad information.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Let him. We will never be united again. So better to separate into 4 new countries.

Come to think of it, CA, TX, FL and NY would be rich and strong countries all by themselves.

 

[KeithD]

I imagine Secret Service Santa might all of a sudden be interested in how this thread progresses from here, you know, just updating his pro-assassinating President Trump naughty list. Can't imagine anything more verboten to even mention here than that. Where's the moderation?

Then why did you pick it up and repeat it?

Just trolling, right? And trying to distract and distract from all the walls closing in on the corrupt con man.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I think the Secret Service knows that assassinating the president is a topic often freely discussed in bars, and never by that road leads to an actual attempt.

Of course, the Internet might be a bit different . . . has a political assassination ever been crowdsourced?

 

[Libsam]

Pardon me?

Sorry, I should have said

This is the result of the Russian investigation, a Trump sex tape.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Sorry, I should have said

They found the pee tape?!

 

[BoyNextDoor]

impeachment talk is premature.

 

[bigsly]

I think the Secret Service knows that assassinating the president is a topic often freely discussed in bars, and never by that road leads to an actual attempt.

Of course, the Internet might be a bit different . . . has a political assassination ever been crowdsourced?

Ask Ross Ulbricht about Internet assassination arrangements.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Ask Ross Ulbricht about Internet assassination arrangements.

He's doing life. Not an inspiring example.