Implied underage sex in stories?

[RawHumor]

if you don't mind me scanning past the mother/daughter stuff, then yes, i would probably enjoy it.

Fine, be a prude.

 

[Maria2394]

hi everyone

reading through everyone's posts made me remember one of mine rejected twice. I couldn't understand why at first.

It was/is about a teacher who has an affair with an 18 year old football player, sort of...but she taught in a high school with kids under the legal age. I had to rework it till it came out in college form, which, for me, took some of my own fantasy away, but most people seemed to like it..its in the nonconsent category, "Making the grade.."
also, I know at least two poets who've had submissions rejected just for "memories"..like you all say though, its better to leave it out than lose the site!!
thanks to Laurel and Manu for giving us an outlet for our desires and dreams and frustrations, et al...

have a horny-riffic day, maria

 

[Medieval-Man]

One thing that bothers me, is that on the radio last year I heard about how the age of consent in Ohio happens to be 14.

This isn't really that bad of a thing because Consent is needed. But I still am not allowed to explain when I lost my virginity at 15, with my girlfriend, who was about 40 days younger than me, but still, 15, like me.

The only thing about that law that bothers me, is the fact that it allows anyone to sleep with people 14 and up. (I know 2 people who have had children at 14 and had parents who could not do anything about the father, which bothers me, since the father, in one case was 19, and in the other, was 23)

I never date people who are even a year younger than me, only broke that rule twice, and the longest of those 2 relationships was about 20 days, so, hey, small count.

I'm glad there are rules, because then people would put 14 and 15 year old girls in non-consentr and have that take place in ohio, and non-consent sickens me enough as it is, let alone making it worse, by having it be a child rape. (For some reason, even the thought of that makes me queasy... 'guess I'm just a little sensative to that subject)

So my opinion, Rules can stay, minds can break those rules as we reaad by 'misreading' the number 18, if we so desire.

We have free minds for a reason,
-Medi-

 

[oggbashan]

In some parts of the world the "legal" age for adult sites is 21. In some countries accessing Literotica (let alone real Hard Core sites) is a crime.

18 is a reasonable compromise.

We know what really happens but I'm happy to pretend if that is what is necessary to keep Literotica available to us.

Og

 

[MathGirl]

I never date people who are even a year younger than me,

Dear MeM,
One can always take solace in the fact that one's hand is the same age as the rest of oneself. Can't one?
MG

 

[Medieval-Man]

Dear MeM,
One can always take solace in the fact that one's hand is the same age as the rest of oneself. Can't one?
MG

I wouldn't know MG, I'm not you I don't NEED sexual release. I barely even crave it, it's more like an occasional hobby of mine than a ritualistic thing.

I should actually ask you, if I wanted to know, only going under the basis of your blunt cruelty to nearly everyone you know, I would make a (probably very accurate) guess by saying you're single at the moment.

So, bad under the topic of the title of this thread, since I felt a need to enact my vengence... (Which I do apologize for)

I agree with Ogg, the rules keep this place alive, and I love this place, so, I'll do anything to keep it open.

Sorry,
-Medi-

 

[MathGirl]

I wouldn't know MG, I'm not you

I should actually ask you, if I wanted to know, only going under the basis of your blunt cruelty to nearly everyone you know, I would make a (probably very accurate) guess by saying you're single at the moment.

Dear MeM,
Thank goodness you're not me.

Not that it's any concern of yours, but I am very definitely NOT single, and I think that remark about "blunt cruelty to everyone" is a bit over the top. I had no antipathy towards you until now, and I don't think I'll allow any to develop. I'll put it down to a maturity thing.
MG
Ps. If you can't understand harmless humor, your little feelings are going to be contused early and often around here.

 

[Mysteryjj]

Quite

Rules is rules and must be stuck to, shit though they may be, I know this age thing is a pain for you writers to get round and make sense of your stories sometimes though, so I do sympathise.

As Og says some places you can't look at porn/erotica or join an adult site until 21, but of course here in UK and linked to US the age of legal admission to certain adult material is actually just 13. 13 yr olds can join many adult oriented sites quite legally as long as they declare their age at sign up.

Medi's moral standing is to be admired, and sexual activity between very young legals and older men with little respect for the girl is a bit out of order. Having said that being female and having gone through 14-15 sexually active, it didn't do me a lot of harm that hadn't already been done before then, long before.

I must however agree with MG Medi, lighten up lad or you'll suffer a lot of hurt, MG's wacky comments must be taken in context, she's a joker, and I don't think she's going to change for you or anyone. Good on her for that.

 

[Medieval-Man]

An apology, and agreement.

I must however agree with MG Medi, lighten up lad or you'll suffer a lot of hurt, MG's wacky comments must be taken in context, she's a joker, and I don't think she's going to change for you or anyone. Good on her for that.

Yeah, I've had bronchitus, and when I'm sick I get cranky, because I'm a very healthy person and well, being sick is a hell of a fast and brutal change for me, so, MG, I'm sorry, I just guess I needed to lash out at something, and your humor being the way it is, and me being as ill as I am, it's how things worked out.

I take it back wholly, and offer an apology.

*Sinking back shyly at his mistake*
-Medi-

 

[Xelebes]

Have the server be hostedd in Canada. We have laws that protect only written stories that deals with underage sex as only stories are the only form of paedophilia where it may be expressed. All other forms (pictures, drawings, movies, audio tapes... etc.) are illegal.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

After this discussionand Doc M's long thread onthe appeal of incest I decided to try an incest stroy. I need some ideas from you guys on this, is it permissible or no?

Main character in dialgue:

“I’m going home. My daddy raped me the first time when I was real young. He went out the same night and got himself shot dead. Momma wasn’t no good and took up with a miner named Melvin Scoats. For a while he was good to us, mom, Nan and me, but he took to drinking. I was always shy and quiet, so it weren’t no surprise when he tried it too. But Nan was eighteen by then and already a hell raiser. She burst in an stomped a lake in his ass. She would have kilt him, but ma got between em. Nan, she stormed out of the house and that left me with Melvin throwing me lecherous glances while ma was tending to his cuts. I headed out the door the next morning, right past school, hopped a west bound and didn’t get off til I was in Los Angeles,”

“How old were ya?”

“Fifteen,”




-Colly

 

[Guest]

Colly, you did that very well. I think it's fine, and something I'd read further as the content does not seem gratuitous. Simply can't judge how Laurel will see it per her and Lit.'s concerns.

regards, Perdita

 

[Xelebes]

Hmmm... I don't know. I think it is, but leave that as a conversation in like a... a... something other than Incest... or something.

Please disregard this post if you think this contains absolutely no contribution to the conversation.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I rarely write gratuitous stroke stuff. When I approach a story I try to have a good idea of plot and characters. For this one I have a good idea and plot with two strong characters. I think it's important to the character to note her experience, but I have not the sligetest bit of interest or intent in providing details beyond her simple words.

The actual sex will be consensual, betweentwo adults, fully aware of what they are doing and why.

-Colly

 

[Jenny _S]

Out of my personal weirdness comes to story thoughts:

1) A planet long ago and far, far away when the planet only circles the sun once ever 100 years or so. That means that everyone on the planet is 1 year old or less even though all the characters in the story are "adults". Could they still have "published" sex?

2) A girl is a character in a story who has sex on her eighteenth birthday. However, the male is intreged by the girl's "long reputation". Could it get published?

I think these are confusing

 

[Weird Harold]

Out of my personal weirdness comes to story thoughts:

1) A planet long ago and far, far away when the planet only circles the sun once ever 100 years or so. That means that everyone on the planet is 1 year old or less even though all the characters in the story are "adults". Could they still have "published" sex?

2) A girl is a character in a story who has sex on her eighteenth birthday. However, the male is intriged by the girl's "long reputation". Could it get published?

I think these are confusing

Neither is confusing, really:

1: As long as the characters are adult by the society's standards and not obviously under 18 'Standard' years (or 0.18 local years).

2: Colleeen's excellent example of how to handle an underage back-story for Lit -- her character details her life history without being explicit about the prurient details.

Your first example does raise yet another problem for those who like to write in historical settings and exotic locales -- staying "real" while writing about wrinkled old maids of 18 and over.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Thanks Harold and Perdita.

I am not sure I am going to post it, I was just seized by an idea and had to write it. I am not too sure I can do the story justice as the inherent eroticism of incest escapes me.

-Colly

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Colly,

For what it's worth, I agree with Weird Harold and Perdita. IMHO, your approach is fine. However, unless her being exactly 15 is important to the story, you might be able to slip by the issue by changing the age to something ambiguous such as, "Too young. Way, too young."

If you're in doubt, PM Laurel. It's her site which means she and Manu would be the one's who'd catch any possible heat.

Rumple

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colly,

For what it's worth, I agree with Weird Harold and Perdita. IMHO, your approach is fine. However, unless her being exactly 15 is important to the story, you might be able to slip by the issue by changing the age to something ambiguous such as, "Too young. Way, too young."

If you're in doubt, PM Laurel. It's her site which means she and Manu would be the one's who'd catch any possible heat.

Rumple

As usual Rumple comes through in a pinch

-Colly

 

[DirtyJJ]

There are dedicated people out there who hate Literotica with a vehemence that is difficult to believe. They quote sacred texts to describe us as various types of sinners and degenerates.

It may be fun to brush against the borders but it would be no fun if we were to lose Literotica.

Laws against Internet sexuality could easily be drafted to make criminals of all of us. There is a minority of people who would be very happy if they could ban all sex on the Internet.

Cautious Og

Writing for Lit makes me feel so good and FREE that I think I take it a bit for granted... Og's comments are a chilling reality check.

I would hate to lose Lit... or be considered a criminal for writing down my fantasies...

 

[Em Keli 2003]

Sadly society places a stringent and unyielding bar to any discussions on pre 18 sex. The puritans would wreak havoc given half a chance. They only need a toe hold to bring down the castle. They would dearly love to put literotica in its grave and that would give them the opportunity they were waiting for....

While the reasoning is understandable as sane humans would not favor abuse of minors thus concerns are in many cases valid, it does preclude any honest discussions about the factual reality that most of us learned and experienced our first sexual encounter before the age of 18.

Some of the sweetest, most innocent and tender and magical moments were those firsts touches and caresses into the previously forbidden errogenous zones that opened the doors to "adulthood".

Part of the difficulties stem from societies repression of sexual honesty and open mindedness. Some societies are much more open than the United States. Many countries have openly sexual televison programs. But this ties in directly I think to capitalism. If sexuality is repressed, it is much easier to sell a shiny new car with a tiny bikini clad to a volupuosly curved female body standing next to it. Obviously sex sells. Erotica sells. Take the implied double inuendos.....Everybody Eats Laura Scudders.....Even more simple LAYS potato chips. An erotic subliminal implication that entices one to buy.

The holier than thou crowd would love to burn you at the stake for your honest and frank discussion so that they can derive some imagined reward for cleaning the world of perverts.

The perversion is that we can watch dozens of people murdered on TV or wholesale slaughter in war movies, they will show us women brutally beaten and abused.....but show the tender touch of honest sincere love.....and they will stone you with everything they can.

 

[sanchopanza]

I say that if people want to write stories about people under 18 then go ahead, because there are other sites that allow you to submit material like that - the newsgroups cater to that because they are non-profit and so does asstr.org because it is a pool of stories posted on the alt.sex.stories newsgroup. I don't see why anybody is complaining - so some sites have rules, if you can't stick to those rules then post on another site that allows it.

 

[whispering_surrender]

I personally didn't see most of it as complaining. Just clarifying and discussing, two traits which I find admirable.

*throws down her two cents and scampers away*

Whisper

 

[Em Keli 2003]

I agree with whipserer....I dont think anyone is complaining here. I think the original intent was to understand the parmameters of how the subject matter can be discussed.

I think as long as the under 18 encounter(s) is discussed surface level and peripherally rather than in details that it would survive censorships heavy handed backlash. Discussing sexual promiscuity in a historical context for the under 18 can be implied in a variety of manners without going into explicit details stroke by stroke.

The discussion does raise the issue of society's hangups and how to address the subject matter without catering to child predators and perversity which is a valid social concern. While it is true that somewhere a line has to be drawn, the vast majority of normal humans are exposed in varying degrees to sexuality before 18 and with the line at 18 there has to be some intelligent and sane approach to the subject matter. It can be a tricky line to walk.

I appreciate the original post and the contributors to this discussion.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Well, i submitted my story. I left the passage as it is here on lit. i will let y'all know if it was accepted or redjected and why if it was rejected.

-Colly