Imus Fired

[Jubal_Harshaw]

Not if you live in a Right to Work state.

I live in a right to work state and that law is a fucked up mess. However, I can tell you this, it is perfectly legal to fire someone here for no reason what-so-ever. It is not leagal to fire someone because they are black. It is legal to fire your receptionist because she makes lousy coffee, it is not legal to fire
her for not giving you a blow job.

You're kind of proving my point for me. If it's right, it's right for everyone anyway you look at it. If it's wrong, it's wrong for everyone any way you look at it. I cite the United States constitution and you cite vague, abitrary laws on the state level.

Again I say, make up your minds.

 

[ChristopherMaxwell]

In Right to Work states, there are still unions, but the deal is that you can't be forced to join a union in order to get a job, so the unions lose much of their power.

Most states are also Employed at Will states, which means you can be fired for any reason at any time. Of course, individual companies rarely handle things that way, but if they did, they'd be well within their legal rights.

Ah, okay.....so the unions have little in the way of teeth and Imus really should have known better than to embarrass his bosses too much. Well, there's no Constitutional right to employment in any country that I know of.....

A shock jocks' union is not a good idea, in any case....so I shall forget that I even mentioned it. Can't have Mr. Imus's colleagues and rivals getting too many ideas.

I am familiar with those contracts only from having signed one....it sounded humorous at the time, but I figured that I was just not familiar with American laws about unionisation and all. Labour unions are apparently even weaker than I thought here.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

I live in a right to work state and that law is a fucked up mess. However, I can tell you this, it is perfectly legal to fire someone here for no reason what-so-ever. It is not leagal to fire someone because they are black. It is legal to fire your receptionist because she makes lousy coffee, it is not legal to fire
her for not giving you a blow job.

You're kind of proving my point for me. If it's right, it's right for everyone anyway you look at it. If it's wrong, it's wrong for everyone any way you look at it. I cite the United States constitution and you cite vague, abitrary laws on the state level.

Again I say, make up your minds.

And, again, Imus' employer was within it's rights to fire him.

Do not argue labor law with me, hun. You won't win.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Ah, okay.....so the unions have little in the way of teeth and Imus really should have known better than to embarrass his bosses too much. Well, there's no Constitutional right to employment in any country that I know of.....

A shock jocks' union is not a good idea, in any case....so I shall forget that I even mentioned it. Can't have Mr. Imus's colleagues and rivals getting too many ideas.

I am familiar with those contracts only from having signed one....it sounded humorous at the time, but I figured that I was just not familiar with American laws about unionisation and all. Labour unions are apparently even weaker than I thought here.

The big unions, Auto Workers, Teamsters, etc., still wield power, but they aren't nearly as powerful as they used to be. And, to be quite honest, the period when unions were really needed has passed, since what they accomplished, and oversaw, is pretty much what OSHA and Federal Labor Board does these days.

 

[rgraham666]

And, again, Imus' employer was within it's rights to fire him.

Do not argue labor law with me, hun. You won't win.

I tried once. I still twinge in spots.

 

[FatDino]

I live in a right to work state and that law is a fucked up mess. However, I can tell you this, it is perfectly legal to fire someone here for no reason what-so-ever. It is not leagal to fire someone because they are black. It is legal to fire your receptionist because she makes lousy coffee, it is not legal to fire
her for not giving you a blow job.

You're kind of proving my point for me. If it's right, it's right for everyone anyway you look at it. If it's wrong, it's wrong for everyone any way you look at it. I cite the United States constitution and you cite vague, abitrary laws on the state level.

Again I say, make up your minds.

Dude, she's so gonna fry you on the spelling level.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

I tried once. I still twinge in spots.

All that schoolin' is good for something, eh?

 

[Jubal_Harshaw]

I'm sorry, did you just say that slander, defamation and hate speech were all allowed, legally?

Pretty much. As long as you don't pick on an ethnic group, gays or religious groups.

You can preach on the street corner that non-christians are all heathen sinners and they're all going to burn in hell, can't you?

 

[ChristopherMaxwell]

The big unions, Auto Workers, Teamsters, etc., still wield power, but they aren't nearly as powerful as they used to be. And, to be quite honest, the period when unions were really needed has passed, since what they accomplished, and oversaw, is pretty much what OSHA and Federal Labor Board does these days.

Ah, Mr. Roosevelt and his New Deal, right? I still get a laugh when some Yanks call that socialism. They don't know socialism in this country. You have to go to Europe for socialism. Not even Canada, despite certain Yanks' comments, is half as socialist as most of Europe.

 

[Belegon]

Sure.

Just as soon as you show me where it says firing as a means of discipline is appropriate and legal. If he has a right to say it he has a right to say it without being persecuted.

The 1st amendment says that you can say it without being persecuted by the GOVERNMENT.

But some speech is illegal. If I threaten you with violence, it's assault and illegal. And should be.

And for some speech it is appropriate for a person to be fired. If you are creating a problem for my business, I can fire you. Whether it's because you are losing advertising dollars for me or because you are telling people the restaurant down the street has better food at a lower price than my restaurant.

No one should be forced to keep someone on the payroll. The employer has a right to fire someone, especially if that person is actively damaging the business.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

The 1st amendment says that you can say it without being persecuted by the GOVERNMENT.

But some speech is illegal. If I threaten you with violence, it's assault and illegal. And should be.

And for some speech it is appropriate for a person to be fired. If you are creating a problem for my business, I can fire you. Whether it's because you are losing advertising dollars for me or because you are telling people the restaurant down the street has better food at a lower price than my restaurant.

No one should be forced to keep someone on the payroll. The employer has a right to fire someone, especially if that person is actively damaging the business.

Exactly.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Ah, Mr. Roosevelt and his New Deal, right?

Some of it, yes. There are changes made to it all the time, though.

 

[Jubal_Harshaw]

Dude, she's so gonna fry you on the spelling level.

So now my speeling is what makes me wrong?

That tells me I'm done here.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

So now my speeling is what makes me wrong?

That tells me I'm done here.

I don't have to pick on your spelling. You're providing me quite enough entertainment with your interpretation of the First Amendment.

 

[ChristopherMaxwell]

Some of it, yes. There are changes made to it all the time, though.

Ah, yes, under Mr. Johnson and a few others, if I recall what I've read, in any case.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Ah, yes, under Mr. Johnson and a few others, if I recall what I've read, in any case.

Yes.

It's what I studied in school, and part of what I did for employment for the past 20 years. I could teach a day long seminar on the finer points of the I-9 form.

 

[FatDino]

Pretty much. As long as you don't pick on an ethnic group, gays or religious groups.

You can preach on the street corner that non-christians are all heathen sinners and they're all going to burn in hell, can't you?

My....You really need to do more study on laws.

When you "pick on" any of those groups you mentioned, it's not just about "Free speech" anymore; it's also about discrimination. Since discrimination is indeed illegal, "free speech" does not apply.

BTW, discrimination is defined as making a distinction between visibly different groups. (In case you didn't know)

 

[ChristopherMaxwell]

Yes.

It's what I studied in school, and part of what I did for employment for the past 20 years. I could teach a day long seminar on the finer points of the I-9 form.

Ah, I see. Labour laws are a maze for me. British or American labour laws. Sounds rather complex.

 

[FatDino]

So now my speeling is what makes me wrong?

That tells me I'm done here.

Wow, a comment which wasn't supposed to be so bitter made you that mad?

Do you need a psychiatrist?

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Ah, I see. Labour laws are a maze for me. British or American labour laws. Sounds rather complex.

Oh, it is, but I love it...fascinates me, in fact, but I'm weird that way.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Wow, a comment which wasn't supposed to be so bitter made you that mad?

Do you need a psychiatrist?

Bless him, not only does he really need to learn about the law and the Constitution, but his speeling gets worse as he gets angrier.

 

[ChristopherMaxwell]

Oh, it is, but I love it...fascinates me, in fact, but I'm weird that way.

Hey, love, we need people like you, or society wouldn't function, so carry on...

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Bless him, not only does he really need to learn about the law, but his speeling gets worse as he gets angrier.

This could be a Freudian slip. Maybe he really meant this:

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spiel (sp?l, shp?l) Pronunciation Key
n. A lengthy or extravagant speech or argument usually intended to persuade.

intr. & tr.v. spieled, spiel·ing, spiels
To talk or say (something) at length or extravagantly.


[German, play, or Yiddish shpil, both from Middle High German spil, from Old High German.]

 

[Sherry Hawk]

This could be a Freudian slip. Maybe he really meant this:

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spiel (sp?l, shp?l) Pronunciation Key
n. A lengthy or extravagant speech or argument usually intended to persuade.

intr. & tr.v. spieled, spiel·ing, spiels
To talk or say (something) at length or extravagantly.


[German, play, or Yiddish shpil, both from Middle High German spil, from Old High German.]

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[FatDino]

Bless him, not only does he really need to learn about the law, but his speeling gets worse as he gets angrier.

I knew that didn't get past you.