Islamic & Christian Fundamentalism--What's the difference?

[phrodeau]

No but your newspaper clearly knows how to twist facts to appeal to its audience/readers.

I think you may not realize what a fact actually is, because that article hasn't got more than one.

 

[MichaelinChina]

I think you may not realize what a fact actually is, because that article hasn't got more than one.

I did say 'twisted facts' and it isn't my job to point out what should be, in a newspaper article, the facts.

So much journalism these days is written as opinion not fact, as you well know.

Here's a fun game for you this fine morning....'Play - Find the Fact!' - once your brain is in gear that is after your Wheaties and coffee.

 

[phrodeau]

I did say 'twisted facts' and it isn't my job to point out what should be, in a newspaper article, the facts.

So much journalism these days is written as opinion not fact, as you well know.

Here's a fun game for you this fine morning....'Play - Find the Fact!' - once your brain is in gear that is after your Wheaties and coffee.

Play "Find an Actual Newspaper" instead.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Play "Find an Actual Newspaper" instead.

You are absolutely right. I see the article quoted might have been written by a total bigot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who do you think capitalists are?

Do you think you might be confusing the words capitalism and commerce?

I don't think we really have capitalist. We have oligarchs and pols who work together to enrich the elite (themselves) and shit on everyone else.

No I think you're confusing the word rich with capitalist.

And your chart is libertoonian nuttiness. Central bankers are subservient to politicians.

LMFAO!!!!!!!

Only in the most remote dog and pony show smoke screen possible. They can summon a representative to congress to sit there and pleed the 5th all day, that's about the extent of the central bankers subservience to politicians.

Don't give me that Ron Paul end the Fed garbage. It's nonsense.

I didn't say anything about ending the Fed....you're just making shit up to attack me with because you're realizing that I'm right and the US which used to be a capitalist country, is no longer.

Small businesses are not the oligarchs. Do you think that multinationals don't own the politicians running the government?

Clinton is in the pocket of corporations, and if she's elected, she'll serve their interests.

She's not going to care about how hard it is to start a small business. Small business is a direct competitor of her owners: big business.

Right...and what about that system is capitalism?

It's not capitalist.

It's a corporate oligarchy, corporate feudalism.

If we had capitalism we wouldn't be shooting people for sharing milk/eggs/veggies without going through permitted government facilities first (gov and WholePaycheck Foods getting their piece of the action) and SWAT teaming lemonade stands, food trucks, pool cleaners and lawn boys.

 

[about_average]

Prove it.

Facts, not opinion.

I'll wait.

Do you really want me to prove it? Or prove it the same way you proved Merrick Garland is an anti-gun nut.


Oops, nevermind, you never offered anything other than your opinion on that "fact".

 

[richmondman]

I think I posted this before, but if you really want to learn something about what is going on with ISIS, this is a really good analysis. And, I will add, it illustrates why our current policies are somewhat misguided and why some of the policies argued in this thread are also misguided.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

The nutshell: fundamentalist anything is a bad and crazy deal.

 

[underguy1]

I don't think we really have capitalist. We have oligarchs and pols who work together to enrich the elite (themselves) and shit on everyone else.

No I think you're confusing the word rich with capitalist.



LMFAO!!!!!!!

Only in the most remote dog and pony show smoke screen possible. They can summon a representative to congress to sit there and pleed the 5th all day, that's about the extent of the central bankers subservience to politicians.



I didn't say anything about ending the Fed....you're just making shit up to attack me with because you're realizing that I'm right and the US which used to be a capitalist country, is no longer.



Right...and what about that system is capitalism?

It's not capitalist.

It's a corporate oligarchy, corporate feudalism.

If we had capitalism we wouldn't be shooting people for sharing milk/eggs/veggies without going through permitted government facilities first (gov and WholePaycheck Foods getting their piece of the action) and SWAT teaming lemonade stands, food trucks, pool cleaners and lawn boys.

They are the capitalists.

It is your definition of 'capitalism' that is wrong.

Central banks do not have the power that you think they have. And I dare say the monetary system doesn't work the way you think it does.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are the capitalists.

No, they are oligarchs......put in place by the government.

It is your definition of 'capitalism' that is wrong.

Full definition.

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

Which by your very own admission is NOT what we have. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size knows that's not what we have.

We have super rich people (the oligarchs or capitalist as you incorrectly label them) and pol's in charge of fucking EVERYTHING right down to the very pricing you're allowed to charge for a product and what products you HAVE to buy.

With ENTIRE markets and industries under TOTAL government control, the US is far closer to socialism than capitalism.

Private enterprise and free markets are all but dead in the US. The ONLY actual free markets in the US that still exist are black markets.

Central banks do not have the power that you think they have. And I dare say the monetary system doesn't work the way you think it does.

LOL says the guy who thinks capitalism = evil rich guy, da boogie man!!!

 

[Conager]

No, they are oligarchs......put in place by the government.



Full definition.

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

Which by your very own admission is NOT what we have.

We have super rich people (the oligarchs or capitalist as you incorrectly label them) and pol's in charge of fucking EVERYTHING right down to the very pricing you're allowed to charge for a product and what products you HAVE to buy. Private enterprise and free markets are all but dead in the US. The ONLY actual free markets in the US that still exist are black markets.



LOL says the guy who thinks capitalism = evil rich guy, da boogie man!!!

Well he is correct in only one sense- Karl Marx did coin the term "capitalist" as a pejoritive for rich guys. Guys with capital.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well he is correct in only one sense- Karl Marx did coin the term "capitalist" as a pejoritive for rich guys. Guys with capital.

I can understand the confusion.

But when they use the government to obtain/retain that capital they become oligarchs.

When rich guy obtains the power of government it's an entirely different category of ultra rich asshole and entirely dishonest to try and not recognize the distinction.

Or even socialist...shit I mean they are the ones paying the government to protect them but to extort others for money just because they can.

At the end of the day it's still some bureaucrat/pol that's got all the wage slaves under their boot heel telling you that you're not allowed to go out and earn money yourself.

Making money is ONLY for rich/cool people! So says the federal government.....

Sounds like socialism to me.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Typical...thread topic gets hijacked.

 

[underguy1]

No, they are oligarchs......put in place by the government.



Full definition.

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

Which by your very own admission is NOT what we have. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size knows that's not what we have.

We have super rich people (the oligarchs or capitalist as you incorrectly label them) and pol's in charge of fucking EVERYTHING right down to the very pricing you're allowed to charge for a product and what products you HAVE to buy.

With ENTIRE markets and industries under TOTAL government control, the US is far closer to socialism than capitalism.

Private enterprise and free markets are all but dead in the US. The ONLY actual free markets in the US that still exist are black markets.



LOL says the guy who thinks capitalism = evil rich guy, da boogie man!!!

That's just the advertising that you've fallen for. That system can never exist.

Capitalists don't want competition. And they want no regulation for their class.

WE are in late stage predatory financial capitalism. The antithesis of socialism.

You've been reading too many libertoonian websites. Those guys haven't got a clue. Just useful idiots of the oligarchs.

Get a clue and read some Marx FFS.

 

[underguy1]

I can understand the confusion.

But when they use the government to obtain/retain that capital they become oligarchs.

When rich guy obtains the power of government it's an entirely different category of ultra rich asshole and entirely dishonest to try and not recognize the distinction.

Or even socialist...shit I mean they are the ones paying the government to protect them but to extort others for money just because they can.

At the end of the day it's still some bureaucrat/pol that's got all the wage slaves under their boot heel telling you that you're not allowed to go out and earn money yourself.

Making money is ONLY for rich/cool people! So says the federal government.....

Sounds like socialism to me.

You simply don't have a clue of socialism or capitalism.

Capitalists are a class, dude. Oligarchy is late stage capitalism.

They don't teach you that in America.

 

[eyerami]

Do you know what they do teach us in America?

That sheep aren't safe in New Zealand.

Is that true?

 

[underguy1]

Do you know what they do teach us in America?

That sheep aren't safe in New Zealand.

Is that true?

I'm not a Kiwi, so that's a miss.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Get a clue and read some Marx FFS.

Well that explains the made up definitions of everything you seem to be operating under.

Capitalists are a class, dude.

One we no longer have here in the USA. They went bye bye some time ago.

Oligarchy is late stage capitalism.

Yes, and it is functionally/effectively far far closer to socialism (government controlled markets) than capitalism (free markets).

That's why we call them oligarchs and not capitalist, that's why it's feudalism and not capitalism.

They don't teach you that in America.

Yes, they do....and they also teach us that words have meanings, unlike whatever shit hole you live in.

 

[underguy1]

Well that explains the made up definitions of everything you seem to be operating under.



One we no longer have here in the USA.



Yes, and it operates more like and is functionally far far closer to socialism (government controlled markets) than capitalism (free markets).

That's why we call them oligarchs and not capitalist, that's why it's feudalism and not capitalism.



Yes, they do....and they also teach us that words have meanings, apparently unlike whatever shit hole you live in.

Well, Marx was the original and you can't edit 3 and a half volumes down into a US dictionary definition and pretend to be accurate.

Lol. They've got you well fooled.

There's no such thing as free markets you fool.

That's because you don't know what capitalism is. What you think it is is a pipe dream that cannot work, never has existed and is mathematically impossible.

I imagine everywhere outside the USA is a shithole to you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lol. They've got you well fooled. You're an archetype.

Point to one then....name an active US capitalist.

I bet you can't find a single one.

Every single one of them has government market protection if not forced markets and/or direct government funding/subsidies, sounds JUST LIKE socialism.

Step outside the state approved process for getting rich? SWAT team....20 year mandatory minimum.....again sounding JUST LIKE socialism.

The only difference between socialism and a corporate oligarchy/feudalism is that the oligarchy has the bankers in charge of the bureaucrats.

Socialist have the bureaucrats in charge of the bankers.

At the end of the day the circle jerk is the same to everyone on the bottom though.

 

[underguy1]

Point to one then....name an active US capitalist.

I bet you can't find a single one.

Don't be an idiot. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

You've read a few libertoonian web pages and you think you know how it all works.

Well you don't. You're being screwed over by the predators of the capitalist class who've controlled your political class for decades. And they're looting your economy and the rest of the planet.

But you can't even get the language correct because of the conditioning you've received from the day you were born.

Capitalism is about a capitalist class owning the means of production and extracting economic rent.

All that stuff about free markets and competition is bullshit to fool you.

 

[underguy1]

Point to one then....name an active US capitalist.

I bet you can't find a single one.

Every single one of them has government market protection if not forced markets and/or direct government funding/subsidies, sounds JUST LIKE socialism.

Step outside the state approved process for getting rich? SWAT team....20 year mandatory minimum.....again sounding JUST LIKE socialism.

The only difference between socialism and a corporate oligarchy/feudalism is that bankers are in charge, not bureaucrats.

Oh that's pathetic.

You don't have an inkling of what socialism is because your head is full of capitalist propaganda.

And capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. Free markets don't exist.

It's just advertising talk.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Don't be an idiot. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

I noticed you couldn't come up with a single name.

Well you don't. You're being screwed over by the predators of the capitalist class who've controlled your political class for decades. And they're looting your economy and the rest of the planet.

I am the predator, low level predator but I'm still fucking a bunch of people to stuff my pockets and we are not capitalist.

We (the predatory class) pay the government to fuck everyone else, even outright assassinate the competition and force the public into buying our shit.

That's not capitalism by any definition of the term.

Capitalism is about a capitalist class owning the means of production and extracting economic rent.

Yes, private ownership of production, transfer and exchanges of goods and services.

Not extracting economic rent....when the government sticks it's dick into that it changes everything, including the words used to describe that new element into the economic equation.

All that stuff about free markets and competition is bullshit to fool you.

How so? Works great for a BUNCH of people....drug dealers....pimps....smugglers....

It's amazing how well ungoverned markets do despite not only the governments claims otherwise but their best efforts to destroy them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh that's pathetic.

You don't have an inkling of what socialism is because your head is full of capitalist propaganda.

Really? Then tell me what socialism is....

Last I checked it was government control over the means of production/sales/exchange of goods and services according to every credible source out there.

Care to link something stating otherwise?

And capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. Free markets don't exist.

It's just advertising talk.

That's because there is no such thing as pure freedom, but there can be freedom from government control, and those have, can and do exist and they do VERY well.

We call them black markets because the governments don't like what they can't control....that's the real brain job right there. That freedom from government is 'black' labeled as crime.

 

[underguy1]

I noticed you couldn't come up with a single name.



I am the predator, low level predator but I'm still fucking a bunch of people to stuff my pockets and we are not capitalist.

We (the predatory class) pay the government to fuck everyone else, even outright assassinate the competition and force the public into buying our shit.

That's not capitalism by any definition of the term.



Yes, private ownership of production, transfer and exchanges of goods and services.

Not extracting economic rent....when the government sticks it's dick into that it changes everything, including the words used to describe that new element into the economic equation.



How so? Works great for a BUNCH of people....drug dealers....pimps....smugglers....

It's amazing how well ungoverned markets do despite not only the governments claims otherwise but their best efforts to destroy them.

I could reel off a hundred names but I'm simply not interested in playing your stupid game.

I don't care what you do.

Yes it is capitalism. You just don't understand what capitalism is. Marx defined capitalism but you rubbish reading Marx. So you're using Humpty Dumpty language.

But I'll stick to what the term really means, thanks.

The capitalist class are private. When a few of them own nearly everything (privately) they don't stop being capitalists.

I don't know what world you're looking at. We've had 4 decades of deregulation at the whim of the cap[italist class and 4 decades of rising inequality and the emergence of a new monied elite.

What don't you understand?

It couldn't be more obvious but you Libertoonians can't get it.

There's something wrong in your wiring.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I could reel off a hundred names but I'm simply not interested in playing your stupid game.

Yea I didn't think you could

Yes it is capitalism.

No it's not, it's corporate feudalism...there is a difference.

The capitalist class are private. When a few of them own nearly everything (privately) they don't stop being capitalists.

They stopped being capitalist when they obtained the power of government through their wealth. At that point they became a different class of dick bag.

I don't know what world you're looking at. We've had 4 decades of deregulation at the whim of the cap[italist class and 4 decades of rising inequality and the emergence of a new monied elite.

We have not been de-regulating. We have been hyper regulating, that's how they concentrated their wealth and keep the peasants poor.

What don't you understand?

It couldn't be more obvious but you Libertoonians can't get it.

There's something wrong in your wiring.

I'm not a libertoonian, I'm just not operating under the absurd idea that rich=capitalist.