I've been rejected :(

[FallingToFly]

This is random, but..

I do enjoy BlackSnake as a poster, but please tell me that he's not a VE?

That was the impression I got, and it's frightening me.

So much so that my inner spell check is huddled in a ball chanting "Don't let the clowns eat me, don't let the clowns eat me." My inner grammatical and verb tense fanatic already dove out the tenth story window.

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[BlackSnake]

The effect on the reader???? What effect?? Apart from boring the reader to tears and make his laugh his head off I don't see much effect in that story.

What grown woman would call a man's cock a "thing" or "thingie" a whole story huh? It's plain to see the story is written by someone who has no idea what's exciting and enticing for a reader.

Still, I'm pretty sure that readers will enjoy the story. It's a quiet tell, but I'm sure that readers will sit and listen. They may not want to give Woody a good stroke, but I think it will give them pause.

Yep, there are still a lot of grown women who will not let the words cock, dick, and pussy come out their mouths.

 

[BlackSnake]

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[snooper]

... What grown woman would call a man's cock a "thing" or "thingie" a whole story huh? It's plain to see the story is written by someone who has no idea what's exciting and enticing for a reader.

... Yep, there are still a lot of grown women who will not let the words cock, dick, and pussy come out their mouths.

My first wife and my present wife to name but two. (The other one was a different matter, she liked to "talk dirty", but only when we were alone, but could not do anything.)

... As to duty, it is our duty to the owners, who provide a free place for our writings, to follow their rules as they have asked, and as we agreed when we signed up. ...

There are many ways of getting free web space for our writings; almost every ISP in my country offers a free web site, as does yahoo. Does it not occur to you that the owners of Lit must be making money by using our writings at no cost to them? At the very least, this is a mutually advantageous arrangement, even if Lit's profits are minuscule.

 

[BlackSnake]

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[RogueLurker]

There are many ways of getting free web space for our writings; almost every ISP in my country offers a free web site, as does yahoo. Does it not occur to you that the owners of Lit must be making money by using our writings at no cost to them? At the very least, this is a mutually advantageous arrangement, even if Lit's profits are minuscule.

You are correct in that there are free websites that anyone can set up. But what readers are going to hunt around looking for these little orphan sites that contain a few stories and a blog? How many people do you see randomly punching in google searches on key words and then sorting through the millions of hits? The difference with Lit is that it provides readers with a centralized repository of stories. They manage the website so that it is easy for readers to navigate and provides incentives for authors to post new stories on an ongoing basis (voting, contests, forums, instant feedback from readers, etc) ... and then there's the sheer volume and variety of stories available for readers. Do they make money? I suspect so. But they are the ones that have taken the time to set this up and manage it. Anyone can do the same thing ... but few people are willing to invest the time and energy to build/maintain something like this.

There are two basic rules for stories on this site: No underage, no bestiality. It's pretty clear ... and it still leaves a lot of areas that people can post stories in. These are the caveats for posting stories here. If an author doesn't want to follow these rules or feels that they are too restrictive ... then they don't have to post to this site. It's a public forum ... but it is still privately owned and managed. The owners have the right to set rules and to expect that people will abide by them.

As for where to draw the line on whether something is written as underage (inferred or explicit) or involves bestiality (as opposed to a family unicorn that looks and acts like a dog) ... I'm in too pissy a mood right now to get into that discussion.

 

[BlackSnake]

You are correct in that there are free websites that anyone can set up. But what readers are going to hunt around looking for these little orphan sites that contain a few stories and a blog? How many people do you see randomly punching in google searches on key words and then sorting through the millions of hits? The difference with Lit is that it provides readers with a centralized repository of stories. They manage the website so that it is easy for readers to navigate and provides incentives for authors to post new stories on an ongoing basis (voting, contests, forums, instant feedback from readers, etc) ... and then there's the sheer volume and variety of stories available for readers. Do they make money? I suspect so. But they are the ones that have taken the time to set this up and manage it. Anyone can do the same thing ... but few people are willing to invest the time and energy to build/maintain something like this.

There are two basic rules for stories on this site: No underage, no bestiality. It's pretty clear ... and it still leaves a lot of areas that people can post stories in. These are the caveats for posting stories here. If an author doesn't want to follow these rules or feels that they are too restrictive ... then they don't have to post to this site. It's a public forum ... but it is still privately owned and managed. The owners have the right to set rules and to expect that people will abide by them.

As for where to draw the line on whether something is written as underage (inferred or explicit) or involves bestiality (as opposed to a family unicorn that looks and acts like a dog) ... I'm in too pissy a mood right now to get into that discussion.

Get out of that pissy mood. This is not an avocation for underage sex. The perception is that the story is about underage sex. I'm saying its not, because I know its not.

 

[FallingToFly]

I wish the unicorn story was just dropped... *laughs* Sorry, but I have heard about it so much, between the AH, the EF, and even the GB, that I'm starting to feel like I've read the damn thing (which I refuse to do).

Coochie's story was rejected for CLEAR teenaged sex. And honestly, it was sucky sex too. The story was childish, half-baked, and I wouldn't have approved it for anything, which is why I didn't even take a crack at it.

No bestiality, no pedophilia. Simple, simple rules, with a simple, simple reason behind them - THEY ARE ILLEGAL IN THE US, which is where Lit is run from I believe. You can be prosecuted for even having such stories on your site. Laurel and Manu could lose their site, and all of us could lose our wonderful little niche to call cyberhome.

None of us want that, hence the concern over people giving Coochie ways around the editors. Because in the end, it doesn't matter what the EDITORS think about the underaged sex, it matters what the fedes think. And if you don't think they keep tabs on erotic story sites, you haven't been paying attention. They do, it's just very seldom that that gets any type of media attention whatsoever. It isn't a popular, or viewer friendly, thing to show on the 6 o'clock news, no matter how liberated this country claims to be.

 

[BlackSnake]

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[RogueLurker]

Get out of that pissy mood. This is not an avocation for underage sex. The perception is that the story is about underage sex. I'm saying its not, because I know its not.

I didn't mean to imply that anyone was advocating underage sex. I think that the crux of this whole discussion is based on perception ... which is wholly subjective.

The original had nothing explicit stating that the characters were over 18 ... based on the style of writing and the situations, some might infer that this was a young girl telling the story. I have no idea what the author's intention was in this story ... did she write it about an underage character intentionally or is it just the side effect of her writing style? The first poster suggested adding the line about the characters being 18 ... so now it is explicit that this isn't an underage story. But, in my perception, I still read it like it is an underage story that's had a line added to get it past the censors. The only reason that I read this story was because it was posted on the EF for comment. Based on the overall story content and the style of writing I wouldn't have read it at all if it had made it onto Lit.

And I'll stay in my pissy mood if I damn well want to! You can't make me smile if I don't want to.

 

[BlackSnake]

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Edited to add: I don't know about you, but I tend to miss suddle sexy movements when I'm pissed.

 

[kbate]

Look, when the story was rejected I suggested that she march her cute little ass over here for some help. It is not her intention to have her story scene as kiddy porn. I'm all in this shit, because I'm feeling like an ass for sending her this way.

If you wanted to be helpful, it might have been suggested that more work be done on the story. I know that's not what she asked for, but being helpful is what I always believed the VE where about now.

I've been helped here many times, and I saw no reason to believe that she wouldn't be.

There is no underage sex in that friggin' story!

Edited to add: I don't know about you, but I tend to miss suddle sexy movements when I'm pissed.

I did offer more help in my first post - I was told "she should be published in her own words".

*deleted because Blk is angry*

Why does everyone who has read it, feel that it is an underage story? If the comments in this thread are not proof enough, what can anyone offer? Somehow or other, in private conversations held with the author, you have become convinced this story is about a *deleted* Nobody who does not have "whatever proof you won't post" is able to come up with this from the writing in the story.

How is the site, which has nothing other than a story with the juvenile language:
* they are still boys
* their thingies
* I pantsed him
* Mommy sent me to my room
* There was another boy that hung out with us, but his mother threatened to cut him off if.

to know that this story is about older teens or adults?

There is no way this meets the site rules unless the author clearly states the ages of the characters.

 

[BlackSnake]

The entire story sounded as if written about underage sexual encounters. Playing with numbers will not change that fact. Calling a penis a 'thing', 'pantsing' someone, and living at home with parents who confine your heroine to her room as punishment does not give the story the flavour of legimitate sexual encounters.

In addition, you have many grammar errors and a few spellings which are improper.

Check your spelling, your "there, their" usage and please make an attempt to write the story as if the heroine is home from college and having sex with some old school pals.

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[coochie]

Where is the help in any of your pompist and arrogrant posts? How is it helpful to change the writer's voice?

You have been very unhelpfu and I feel embarrassed. I know her.

And that is some low shit to repost something that I edited out.

Thank you for trying

 

[kbate]

Where is the help in any of your pompist and arrogrant posts? How is it helpful to change the writer's voice?

You have been very unhelpful and I feel embarrassed. I know her.

I thought my post #4 in this thread - gave light advise to the writer to check for minor problems which harm the quality of the story.

Later I gave the writer a line which, if included clarifies the ages of the characters and will make the story acceptable.

This has become pointless, your friendship with the author colours your comments and makes objectivity impossible.

 

[coochie]

I thought my post #4 in this thread - gave light advise to the writer to check for minor problems which harm the quality of the story.

Later I gave the writer a line which, if included clarifies the ages of the characters and will make the story acceptable.

This has become pointless, your friendship with the author colours your comments and makes objectivity impossible.

I asked him to just let this go. I am telling you that my story is not about under age people having sex. You don't have to like it.

You don't even know nice people when you see them, and Blacksnake is really nice.

 

[fieryjen]

I asked him to just let this go. I am telling you that my story is not about under age people having sex. You don't have to like it.

You don't even know nice people when you see them, and Blacksnake is really nice.

This isn't about nice or not nice. It's also unfortunately not about what you tell us about your story, it is how we perceive the story. I can't change the fact that this story has to me, and to others here, an underage, rather juvenile feeling. We are simply being honest here, and we are voicing concerns that we feel are valid and we are morally obligated to voice.

**sorry about generalizing, editors, feel free to exclude yourselves if you disagree with me speaking for you **

 

[kbate]

I asked him to just let this go. I am telling you that my story is not about under age people having sex. You don't have to like it.

You don't even know nice people when you see them, and Blacksnake is really nice.

Telling me the sex is not underage means nothing. Telling the story in a manner that SHOWS me that the sex is not underage means something.

I have nothing against you, or against BlackSnake, and I did not call anyone any names (pompous, arrogant, unhelpful, low and others).

I tried to offer help early in the thread, but two posters in essence told me to shut up, the story should be posted as submitted, grammatic errors and all.

My opinion was clearly stated, the story requires work, and a decent editor could help, although at this point I would not accept it even under duress

 

[coochie]

... I would not accept it even under duress

It's just a story. I know he thinks highly of the editors, I think that's why he is so mad. Have a happy day

 

[kbate]

It's just a story. I know he thinks highly of the editors, I think that's why he is so mad. Have a happy day

You quoted the wrong line.

The most valuable piece of writing advice you may ever receive (show don't tell) was in the quoted post and you chose the fact that I will not edit your story. This saddens me.

 

[LadyCibelle]

As everybody knows I have strong opinions and I strongly share them. I'm not ashamed, shy or afraid to voice them...but I'm also capable of admitting when I'm wrong.

Unfortunately, this time, we cannot all be wrong. The author says it's not about underage people, her friend Snakey says it's not..... BUT it doesn't change the fact that it's read like a story written either by a kid or about underaged character.

All the advices given have been given in good faith, all the comments given have been given to help.

Seems to me the advices and help we all tried to give wasn't and isn't welcome. Seems to me the author wanted someone to tell her(?) that Lit was wrong in rejecting her(?)story for underage sex and that we would fight for her(?). Now that she sees it's not the case, any advice, help or comment given becomes a moot point as it's not what she wants.

Snakey: Once again, I'll repeat myself, I love you to piece and I respect you and your writing...but today I have to say I don't like you too much. Twice you've insulted KBate and been mean to her. You've been mean and nasty to everyone who doesn't agree with your friend. I always knew you weren't an angel but I, also thought, you were a nice guy.

I know you're loyal to a fault to the ones you consider your friends...but...being right at all costs just for the sake of being right isn't gonna win you any new friends.

You all know I've done my share of arguing and fighting on here but you also so I've known when to stop. Hitting our collective heads against a brick wall is one of those time where I think we should all stop.

Nothing anyone can, would or will say will make an iota of difference.

 

[BlackSnake]

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[FallingToFly]

You said that you refuse to read the story, then you say that it was rejected for CLEAR teenage sex. I call that talking out the side of your neck.

Again, there is no teenage sex in the story.

I refuse to read the unicorn story.

I've read Coochie's, twice, and it still is underaged teenage sex. Want me to read it a third time and pull out the highlights?

 

[BlackSnake]

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[BlackSnake]

I refuse to read the unicorn story.

I've read Coochie's, twice, and it still is underaged teenage sex. Want me to read it a third time and pull out the highlights?

Not unless you have something useful to add.