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Jeb Bush: I would have invaded Iraq

luvslingerie200 said:
I dread a Bush/Clinton campaign, but I thought a lot of his answers on education and immigration reform were well thought out and articulated.
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I did watch the interview and then read the transcript and his answer to every single question were either standard GOP talking points, bullshit, or something he's completely wrong on. Let's go through each one by one.

Here's an example of standard GOP talking points:

KELLY: Do you feel that America's place in the world has diminished under President Obama?

BUSH: It has. It has. In fact, name a country where America's prestige or relationship is better today than the day President Obama took office. I can think of two. Cuba and Iran.


Why it's the standard GOP line: brown people = bad, Muslims = worse.

Here's an example of bullshit:

BUSH: Megyn, I haven't been in Washington over the last -- ever. I'm not part of Washington.

Why it's bullshit: He was there in November of 2014, less than 1 year ago.

Here's something he's just flat out wrong on:

Bush: Baltimore spends 15 grand per kid, I mean, that's double what's spent in Florida.

Florida spends less than $8,000 per student and it shows up in stats like graduation rates. New Jersey spends about $18k per student and their graduation rate is 88%. In fact, the high school I went spends about $22k per student and our graduation rate was about 98%.

It goes to show you that if you spend money on schools AND fighting poverty -by taxing rich assholes like the Bush clan- you can create a quality education system.

So no his answers were and are complete and total garbage.
 
RyanBooks said:
So, should the US have not defended the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein?
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No. It's properly a UN matter, not a US one.

Ideally, military interventions in UN member countries should only occur in the case of, say, one overrunning another, or one using weapons of mass destruction.
Both criteria were met, and the UN took action in the case of Iraq I . WMDs destroyed, Kuwait restored, mission accomplished. US National Security Advisor Gen Brent Scrocroft said at the time- We don't want to take over Iraq. Bad idea. What would we do with it?

Iraq II was a false alarm.
Shouldn't have happened. 60 Minutes and Collin Powell sacrificed their credibility making it happen. The War Powers act made it possible. Be that as it may, once the gov of Iraq was overthrown, the UN should have administrated it. Not the you conquered it, you keep it approach they took.

With the collapse of the USSR, I thought that the domino theory was thoroughly discredited. Somehow the NeoCons cling to a reverse domino theory, that if we can impose a democracy in the middle east, that the neighboring countries will follow suite and it will spread. So we decided to put a democracy in Iraq.

I'm not sure that was such a good idea. For that matter, democracies in Israel and Egypt tend to be theocratic by my standards, so I'm not sure that democracy is the answer for the Middle East.

Regardless, it doesn't seem to be working out. We have actually restored The Caliphate, http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ instead, with it's mandate of perpetual Jihad and rule of medieval laws. Now heretics like the Shiites and non-fundamentalist Sunnis can be beheaded again, infidels such as Christians and Jews enslaved, and lawbreakers punished with amputation. Well, technically, any Muslim that doesn't rally to the Caliphate is subject to death. It's their duty to go there and help. That's why young Muslims are trying to leave the USA and head for Syria.

Maybe this is the counter to Iran ( which wants to eradicate Israel ) that the NeoCons were looking for. Maybe they think slavery is preferable to eradication, considering that the enslavement of God's Chosen People is scriptural. It's a real head scratcher for me, but what's done is done. Either the Arab Kings and Dictators will lay down their power and bow before the Caliphe, or not. If not, they're subject to fatwa, jihad, etc.


At this point all we need to do is stay out of it, allowing the people of the Middle East to determine for themselves if Islamic fundamentalism is a good thing ....or not.

At this point I can't tell if the NeoCons are Machiavellian masterminds, or the incompetent fools they appear to be. Either way, if they are Jeb's advisors, I want no part of him. Same for Rick ( a couple of Knights Templar short of a Crusade ) Santorum or any other emerging GOP hopeful intending to arm for Armageddon and bring about the second coming of Christ.
 
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

Mark Twain

GW can vouch for this.
 
JackLuis said:
George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public

Here lies the smoking gun, dare Lynch use it to convict the Dick?:rolleyes:
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Now I'm just guessing, but I suppose that Jeb knew what his brother got up to once the news came out, if not before. So if he says he would've invaded Iraq had he been President instead of George, and based on the intelligence at the time, which would have come from his desk, I've got to think he had Saddam in his crosshairs too.
 
patient1 said:
At this point I can't tell if the NeoCons are Machiavellian masterminds, or the incompetent fools they appear to be. Either way, if they are Jeb's advisors, I want no part of him. Same for Rick ( a couple of Knights Templar short of a Crusade ) Santorum or any other emerging GOP hopeful intending to arm for Armageddon and bring about the second coming of Christ.
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And another thing...My governor, Scott Walker, ( who I'd prefer to retain) is the son of a Baptist preacher. Based upon comments he has made form time to time , I fear he may be Middle East interventionist as well. HE needs to be watched for NeoCons, too. Apparently this kind of God and Israel talk plays well with Iowa Republicans.
 
I'm not usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to people but I'm 99% positive that he just misheard the question or his brain did that thing that happens to people on occasion where you just don't process soemthing the right way.
 
Sean Renaud said:
I'm not usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to people but I'm 99% positive that he just misheard the question or his brain did that thing that happens to people on occasion where you just don't process soemthing the right way.
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That's what I thought, at first, and maybe that's all that happened. The media is always eager to take somebody down for a mistake, as if they are above that sort of thing. The problem is that Jeb bungled his way through the week, confusing the issue, rather than clarifying it, convincing people that he isn't any smarter or wiser than his brother.

OK. That's misleading. That's Bush's political problem. My problem is with the NeoCons.
 
Sean Renaud said:
I'm not usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to people but I'm 99% positive that he just misheard the question or his brain did that thing that happens to people on occasion where you just don't process soemthing the right way.
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He wants you to believe that he would have invaded Iraq because of the bad intelligence of the time, ignoring that the bad intelligence came from the President's desk. So either he's saying that he would have gone along with his brother, or that, if he was President, he would have done the same thing his brother did.
 
phrodeau said:
He wants you to believe that he would have invaded Iraq because of the bad intelligence of the time, ignoring that the bad intelligence came from the President's desk. So either he's saying that he would have gone along with his brother, or that, if he was President, he would have done the same thing his brother did.
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That's sure what it sounded like to met. Except, as Paul Krugman points out, the whole point was to go to war regardless of bad intelligence. Though I guess "Bad Intelligence" would be an excellent title for the book on the Bush II presidency.

"This was, in short, a war the White House wanted, and all of the supposed mistakes that, as Jeb puts it, “were made” by someone unnamed actually flowed from this underlying desire."
 
Sean Renaud said:
I'm not usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to people but I'm 99% positive that he just misheard the question or his brain did that thing that happens to people on occasion where you just don't process soemthing the right way.
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What about the other 5 times he tried to answer the question? To me, it was the one question Jeb should have been ready for and he blew it. Big time! Not to mention most of his advisers are old W retreads, the people who want to make the same mistakes all over again.

Personally, I am glad he hit the skids. As David Letterman joked, "can't we ban families from running for President?"
 
I'm not a politics guy ... too many assholes who don't listen and too busy talking. The moment we were attacked on our own soil, we needed to invade Iraq and any other country that harbored our enemies knowingly. War has never been that simple though, but those attacks on that scale should have been enough for everyone to say, 'Time to go to war,' but with the present day attitude of 'I'm all that matters' plenty of people who don't give a shit and want to move on.
 
Everyday_Man said:
I'm not a politics guy ... too many assholes who don't listen and too busy talking. The moment we were attacked on our own soil, we needed to invade Iraq and any other country that harbored our enemies knowingly. War has never been that simple though, but those attacks on that scale should have been enough for everyone to say, 'Time to go to war,' but with the present day attitude of 'I'm all that matters' plenty of people who don't give a shit and want to move on.
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Sorry, but you don't pass the bullshit filter. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/us/politics/19threat.html?pagewanted=print
 
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