Justice League: The New Wave (OOC - Interest Check)

[kizkiz]

Just one question and it is kind of a scientific one brought up in a discussion about the sex life on some of the superheroes of the comics.

You state that this incarnation is a Kryptonian/Human who was born when Superman and Lois had a child on a yellow sun planet. Okay being purely scientific this is not possible.

First let's look at conception. When he ejaculates he would blow off Lois's head, Or depending on the angle of penetration at least shoot out some part of her body, several times.

Then let's assume it is accomplished through artificial means. If he was still born normally, he would absorb sunlight through his mothers skin, thus making him super strong, thus making his kicks and movements strong so he would actually have kicked her to death or kicked his way out of her.

Still maybe they used Wonder Woman as a Surrogate. (LOL) or even Kara.

Okay all of this was just a bit of fun, (You should have seen what they wrote about Mr Fantastic, Elongated Man and Rubber man. Hey they can stretch anything remember!)

Kryptonite and Cow Girl in the Fortress of Solitude during winter.

 

[LuckyVic]

Just one question and it is kind of a scientific one brought up in a discussion about the sex life on some of the superheroes of the comics.

You state that this incarnation is a Kryptonian/Human who was born when Superman and Lois had a child on a yellow sun planet. Okay being purely scientific this is not possible.

First let's look at conception. When he ejaculates he would blow off Lois's head, Or depending on the angle of penetration at least shoot out some part of her body, several times.

Then let's assume it is accomplished through artificial means. If he was still born normally, he would absorb sunlight through his mothers skin, thus making him super strong, thus making his kicks and movements strong so he would actually have kicked her to death or kicked his way out of her.

Still maybe they used Wonder Woman as a Surrogate. (LOL) or even Kara.

Okay all of this was just a bit of fun, (You should have seen what they wrote about Mr Fantastic, Elongated Man and Rubber man. Hey they can stretch anything remember!)

Well in Smallville they explained it as a control thing. In the comics they haven't. As for Jon, he was born under the yellow sun, but his powers didn't start developing until he was 9.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Just one question and it is kind of a scientific one brought up in a discussion about the sex life on some of the superheroes of the comics.

You state that this incarnation is a Kryptonian/Human who was born when Superman and Lois had a child on a yellow sun planet. Okay being purely scientific this is not possible.

First let's look at conception. When he ejaculates he would blow off Lois's head, Or depending on the angle of penetration at least shoot out some part of her body, several times.

Then let's assume it is accomplished through artificial means. If he was still born normally, he would absorb sunlight through his mothers skin, thus making him super strong, thus making his kicks and movements strong so he would actually have kicked her to death or kicked his way out of her.

Still maybe they used Wonder Woman as a Surrogate. (LOL) or even Kara.

Okay all of this was just a bit of fun, (You should have seen what they wrote about Mr Fantastic, Elongated Man and Rubber man. Hey they can stretch anything remember!)

I rankle at the term "purely scientific" when used in terms of superheroes because the best ones are by definition "science inspired" but decidedly not hard science. Demanding that sort of pedantry of superheroes is trollish to me. I've had this argument with other people before and I'll have it again if I have to-- expecting these obviously alternate universes to behave with the exact same physics ours have shows a lack of imagination and zero sense of wonder. So there.

There's functionally zero difference in the radiation emitted by red-stage suns and "yellow"-stage suns in our actual universe, remember-- but in DCU, those suns apparently emit decidedly different energies for the purposes of certain solar incarna. Instantly the rules are different in one area of science, and they will certainly be different in others.

All I require is internal consistency and at least an attempt at a feasible explanation, something vaguely plausible in a science-fictional universe, something cartoonish for Earth-26 which operates on cartoon physics, et cetera.

Yes, yes, we've all heard the "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" argument. But canonically, Superman's been able to have kids with Lois or other human partners at various points in Elseworlds and in the mainline DCU. "Whatever Happened to The Man of Tomorrow," "Son of Superman," the movie version of "All-Star Superman," and the current "Super Sons" storyline which inspired Vic's version. If it's happened in the comics, Vic doesn't need to explain it-- because it's happened whether it's scientific or not.

Any number of explanations can be tendered. Fortress technology could temporarily grant Lois superhuman powers, for instance-- as in my beloved "All-Star Superman" --that would allow her to survive copulation, conception, and gestation, and defend herself against external threats.

In the "Man of Steel" miniseries that relaunched Superman's origin after "Crisis on Infinite Earths," it was revealed the Kryptonians hadn't had biological births for centuries at the time of Krypton's destruction, but had test-tube babies in gestation matrixes (a concept they also played with in the "Man of Steel" movie much more recently). In fact, Superman's ship in the John Byrne origin was built around his gestation matrix so that when he arrived on Earth he was born here on American soil and could technically have run for President. A similar tech could have been used to combine Clark's genetic code with Lois' ovum, either implanting it in Lois safely or growing it in a gestation matrix of its own.

But my favorite explanation is this: Superman is nothing without control, walking around in a world made of cardboard without toppling skyscrapers or bursting water mains when he walks down the sidewalk in his Atticus Finch cosplay. He has traveled and studied for many years before suiting up, and part of that includes learning absolute control over things that for humans would be involuntary-- such as not blowing holes in others' chests when he sneezes, or shooting down planes when he gets off. After that, gene-therapy might be needed to conceive and gestate... but life finds a way.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

I rankle at the term "purely scientific" when used in terms of superheroes because the best ones are by definition "science inspired" but decidedly not hard science. Demanding that sort of pedantry of superheroes is trollish to me. I've had this argument with other people before and I'll have it again if I have to-- expecting these obviously alternate universes to behave with the exact same physics ours have shows a lack of imagination and zero sense of wonder. So there.

There's functionally zero difference in the radiation emitted by red-stage suns and "yellow"-stage suns in our actual universe, remember-- but in DCU, those suns apparently emit decidedly different energies for the purposes of certain solar incarna. Instantly the rules are different in one area of science, and they will certainly be different in others.

All I require is internal consistency and at least an attempt at a feasible explanation, something vaguely plausible in a science-fictional universe, something cartoonish for Earth-26 which operates on cartoon physics, et cetera.

Yes, yes, we've all heard the "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" argument. But canonically, Superman's been able to have kids with Lois or other human partners at various points in Elseworlds and in the mainline DCU. "Whatever Happened to The Man of Tomorrow," "Son of Superman," the movie version of "All-Star Superman," and the current "Super Sons" storyline which inspired Vic's version. If it's happened in the comics, Vic doesn't need to explain it-- because it's happened whether it's scientific or not.

Any number of explanations can be tendered. Fortress technology could temporarily grant Lois superhuman powers, for instance-- as in my beloved "All-Star Superman" --that would allow her to survive copulation, conception, and gestation, and defend herself against external threats.

In the "Man of Steel" miniseries that relaunched Superman's origin after "Crisis on Infinite Earths," it was revealed the Kryptonians hadn't had biological births for centuries at the time of Krypton's destruction, but had test-tube babies in gestation matrixes (a concept they also played with in the "Man of Steel" movie much more recently). In fact, Superman's ship in the John Byrne origin was built around his gestation matrix so that when he arrived on Earth he was born here on American soil and could technically have run for President. A similar tech could have been used to combine Clark's genetic code with Lois' ovum, either implanting it in Lois safely or growing it in a gestation matrix of its own.

But my favorite explanation is this: Superman is nothing without control, walking around in a world made of cardboard without toppling skyscrapers or bursting water mains when he walks down the sidewalk in his Atticus Finch cosplay. He has traveled and studied for many years before suiting up, and part of that includes learning absolute control over things that for humans would be involuntary-- such as not blowing holes in others' chests when he sneezes, or shooting down planes when he gets off. After that, gene-therapy might be needed to conceive and gestate... but life finds a way.

Sorry Chas didn't mean to Rankle, it was posted as a little bit of fun. I did always love those discussions about the 'Science' of comics and then the usual answers of, "It's a comic, get over it" cracked me up.

I am like you though. As long as it is somewhat plausible it is good enough for me. Then again I love Deadpool so go figure. LOL

 

[ChasNicollette]

Sorry Chas didn't mean to Rankle, it was posted as a little bit of fun. I did always love those discussions about the 'Science' of comics and then the usual answers of, "It's a comic, get over it" cracked me up.

I am like you though. As long as it is somewhat plausible it is good enough for me. Then again I love Deadpool so go figure. LOL

It's okay.

I know you didn't mean it.

It's just a pet peeve stemming from a really bad experience with a GM on an earlier Titans thread who insisted on a really arbitrary OCD version of "scientific accuracy." Perhaps ironically, that was my first time attempting writing a playable version of Natasha Irons.

And I love Deadpool too!

...funnily enough, I have a kind of comic-scientific explanation for how people with healing factors can endlessly produce more matter to repair their bodies without necessarily having to constantly eat buffets to the ground.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

It's okay.

I know you didn't mean it.

It's just a pet peeve stemming from a really bad experience with a GM on an earlier Titans thread who insisted on a really arbitrary OCD version of "scientific accuracy." Perhaps ironically, that was my first time attempting writing a playable version of Natasha Irons.

And I love Deadpool too!

...funnily enough, I have a kind of comic-scientific explanation for how people with healing factors can endlessly produce more matter to repair their bodies without necessarily having to constantly eat buffets to the ground.

I thought that was the double edged sword of a healing factor. Healing factor heals the injury, but at the same time body produces more blood to cope with the loss that healing factor is using to heal said injury. So healing factor kicks in to help with that. Bingo perfect circle. (I think)

Speedsters have it easy, they just tap into the speed force so external factors for healing factor LOL

 

[kizkiz]

There's functionally zero difference in the radiation emitted by red-stage suns and "yellow"-stage suns in our actual universe, remember-- but in DCU, those suns apparently emit decidedly different energies for the purposes of certain solar incarna. Instantly the rules are different in one area of science, and they will certainly be different in others.

All I require is internal consistency and at least an attempt at a feasible explanation, something vaguely plausible in a science-fictional universe, something cartoonish for Earth-26 which operates on cartoon physics, et cetera.

For my part, I was playing around the notion of the Witching Cloak able to put on the illusion of a red sun, and if its a basically perfect illusion...i was wondering if it could work then against Kryptonians. It might depend on how much they believe or fear it.

 

[ChasNicollette]

For my part, I was playing around the notion of the Witching Cloak able to put on the illusion of a red sun, and if its a basically perfect illusion...i was wondering if it could work then against Kryptonians. It might depend on how much they believe or fear it.

That's an interesting thought experiment.

I would say that it would work, but not as well as a real full on red sun pumping out red sun rays. And it would only work because it's a magical red sun and Kryptonians are generally somewhat susceptible to magic.

 

[ChasNicollette]

I thought that was the double edged sword of a healing factor. Healing factor heals the injury, but at the same time body produces more blood to cope with the loss that healing factor is using to heal said injury. So healing factor kicks in to help with that. Bingo perfect circle. (I think)

Speedsters have it easy, they just tap into the speed force so external factors for healing factor LOL

I started to think about it when a Sabretooth (I think it was Ultimate Sabretooth) survived being trapped on a mountainside 127 Hours-style by slicing off part of his forearm and eating it to keep from starving, then eating it again when it healed back up. This perplexed me at first because even at 100% metabolic efficiency, the energy for healing his arm would come out of eating the chunk sliced from his arm and he would be at a net loss and still starving. Unless, I then realized, the energy for regenerating lost bio-mass didn't actually come directly from a mutant's metabolism.

The "Science of The X-Men" suggests that for certain mutants who output more energy than a body could possibly generate biologically-- energy casters like Storm and tekes like Jean Grey, for instance-- that their physiology would incorporate a microscopic wormhole that would siphon energy to them from an extradimensional source. (For speedsters that extradimensional energy source is explicitly The Speed Force, so yeah!)

Perhaps interestingly, not long after that book came out, Cyclop's power was retconned to be that his eyes were solar-powered dimensional gateways blasting energy from some "concussive force dimension," so hey there's your canonization.

Extending this theory to regenerators like Deadpool, Wolvie, Sabretooth, et al, instead of energy casters they become zero-range matter-casters, using the energy from their own microscopic wormholes and using that energy to replicate their own bio-mass instead. Thus, Creed could slice himself up like pastrami and nom away and not suffer from diminishing returns in The Law of Conservation.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

I started to think about it when a Sabretooth (I think it was Ultimate Sabretooth) survived being trapped on a mountainside 127 Hours-style by slicing off part of his forearm and eating it to keep from starving, then eating it again when it healed back up. This perplexed me at first because even at 100% metabolic efficiency, the energy for healing his arm would come out of eating the chunk sliced from his arm and he would be at a net loss and still starving. Unless, I then realized, the energy for regenerating lost bio-mass didn't actually come directly from a mutant's metabolism.

The "Science of The X-Men" suggests that for certain mutants who output more energy than a body could possibly generate biologically-- energy casters like Storm and tekes like Jean Grey, for instance-- that their physiology would incorporate a microscopic wormhole that would siphon energy to them from an extradimensional source. (For speedsters that extradimensional energy source is explicitly The Speed Force, so yeah!)

Perhaps interestingly, not long after that book came out, Cyclop's power was retconned to be that his eyes were solar-powered dimensional gateways blasting energy from some "concussive force dimension," so hey there's your canonization.

Extending this theory to regenerators like Deadpool, Wolvie, Sabretooth, et al, instead of energy casters they become zero-range matter-casters, using the energy from their own microscopic wormholes and using that energy to replicate their own bio-mass instead. Thus, Creed could slice himself up like pastrami and nom away and not suffer from diminishing returns in The Law of Conservation.

Or as I said before, people should get over it and just remember. "It's a comic people, Fantasy, Make believe. Real laws do not apply." LOL

 

[ChasNicollette]

Or as I said before, people should get over it and just remember. "It's a comic people, Fantasy, Make believe. Real laws do not apply." LOL

Definitely true.

But I think about this stuff a lot, and speculate as to what "internal consistencies" would result in the effects we see, though I don't demand strict adherence to expected physics.

 

[kizkiz]

How many such wormholes are in the persons body? Is it like one per cell? In effect, replacing their mitochondria?

 

[kizkiz]

Definitely true.

But I think about this stuff a lot, and speculate as to what "internal consistencies" would result in the effects we see, though I don't demand strict adherence to expected physics.

I enjoy playing out the cause and effect of those internal consistencies a few levels at least. Can make for some interesting ideas.

 

[ChasNicollette]

How many such wormholes are in the persons body? Is it like one per cell? In effect, replacing their mitochondria?

It's been like 15 years since I read the book but I believe it was just one in their brain somewhere, and their mutation allowed them to conduct that energy in a way that produced the effects of their specific ability or abilities.

 

[ChasNicollette]

I enjoy playing out the cause and effect of those internal consistencies a few levels at least. Can make for some interesting ideas.

Definitely!

 

[ChasNicollette]

So anyway, you guys should be reading Grrl Power.

 

[ChasNicollette]

People from the main IC, please be thinking about finalizing your stuff for downtime. If you haven't posted it yet, now would be a good time to start.

Again, the assumption is-- even if we haven't played it out "on camera"-- that everyone who helped with Kobra should have been signed on with The New Justice League and given a smartwatch by the time the next Event starts.

New people like Braggock, Sandman, and Rebel will be able to respond to the same crisis and join up with The League that way.

If everything (or anything!) goes according to plan, I'm hoping to kick off the Event next Saturday, or at least slouch in that direction.

Of course, if we don't have everything downtimey squared away before the Event starts, you can always keep posting flashbacks-- just have an idea of how your downtime stuff is going to end so you can keep the continuity straight in each timeframe.

If anyone has any questions, requests, or accusations, please don't hesitate to bring them to me.

 

[kizkiz]

Nothing but mad props from this department.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Nothing but mad props from this department.

Thank you, dear! Likewise!

 

[kizkiz]

Random Thoughts

Just curious if anyone else has ever had the feeling that by not writing about a particular character or story they were actually, literally leaving the characters stuck, stranded, and lost. For me it started after I read the Dark Tower and some of King's fictionalized (perhaps real life) thoughts about the characters needing the writer, almost like we the writers are seeing some alternative reality and somehow helping it along by writing about it. You see something similar to that in Fables and a few others comics I've read...imagination given life.

I was writing a story for a character and I left off with him hiding in piles of snow beneath a pine tree and kind of lost interest in the story...but the thought that I had left him stuck there beneath the snow and trees freezing to death haunted me for some time until I moved the story along more and dropped him off in a better place. It's happened a few more times since.

With all the exploration of alternate earths in these threads, I thought others might have had a similar experience.

 

[LuckyVic]

Hey Chas if you need me to alter that last line, since I'm not sure if that event would have happened here, just let me know.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Hey Chas if you need me to alter that last line, since I'm not sure if that event would have happened here, just let me know.

Yeah, full marks for guessing right OOC, but how would Jon know about it?

 

[LuckyVic]

Yeah, full marks for guessing right OOC, but how would Jon know about it?

Like i put in the post. Stories his father told him. figured Clark would have told him many of those stories as he grew up.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Like i put in the post. Stories his father told him. figured Clark would have told him many of those stories as he grew up.

Okay. While the end result of Earth-247 was that it was naturally virtually identical to post-Zero Hour main DCU, remember that this region of Hypertime didn't undergo The Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinite Crisis, this Multiverse came about in a different fashion.

Clark would not have met a Superboy-Prime to tell stories about, do you get me? This is the Superboy-Prime of The New Wave Multiverse, and he's taken a different arc to get where he is.

 

[LuckyVic]

Okay. While the end result of Earth-247 was that it was naturally virtually identical to post-Zero Hour main DCU, remember that this region of Hypertime didn't undergo The Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinite Crisis, this Multiverse came about in a different fashion.

Clark would not have met a Superboy-Prime to tell stories about, do you get me? This is the Superboy-Prime of The New Wave Multiverse, and he's taken a different arc to get where he is.

That's why I asked about if I needed to change that last ling since I didn't know for sure if that would have happened. Ok changing it now.