EmilyMiller
Good men did nothing
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It’s me tentatively saying maybe I’ll try to perhaps submit something, but no guarantees.Is that you putting your name down for this?
Em
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It’s me tentatively saying maybe I’ll try to perhaps submit something, but no guarantees.Is that you putting your name down for this?
It’s me tentatively saying maybe I’ll try to perhaps submit something, but no guarantees.
Em
I might be changing to another Wolf Alice song:Not 100% sure I’ll be able to get this done on time, but what the hell.
Fluffy by Wolf Alice (might have to make it “18 so sweet”)
Your Love’s Whore
Don't you want take time and get to love me?
We could build a perfect world
I got tricks I really want to show you
I could be your perfect girl
And when we grow older
We'll still be friends
We'll still be lovers
And won't fear the end
The light won't flicker and the light won't fade, believe me
And the world looks better in the place we made believe
Hearts keep pumping and there's one thing that keeps me breathing
It's the mantra I sing and the face I always see
And when we grow older
We'll still be friends
We'll still be lovers
And won't fear the end
And when we grow older
We'll still be friends
We'll still be lovers
And won't fear the end
I let your love tease me
Now I am your love's whore
Keep me hardly breathing
But I could only love you more
I could only love you more
I could only love you more
I could only love you more
I could only love you more
You would be forgiven for second guessing any decision you make off that entire album. Just ridiculous how complete it is through and through (especially in today's streaming/singles market)I might be changing to another Wolf Alice song:
Swallowtail? What the fuck were they thinking? Ellie’s voice is arguably Wolf Alice.You would be forgiven for second guessing any decision you make off that entire album. Just ridiculous how complete it is through and through (especially in today's streaming/singles market)
Except Swallowtail.
Serious, fuck Swallowtail.
I’m 1,000 words in. Not looking for it to be War & Peace. Maybe 3 - 4,000 words.I made a lot of progress on my karaoke story (don't stand so close to me) today. The teacher hasn't started to shake and cough yet, but he is getting nervous. The Nabokov assignment isn't far in the future. Nor the wet bus stop.
Let's give the other members a pass for wanting inclusion, it's *real* problem is it's thematically disruptive to a rare album that has cohesion (by modern standards.)Swallowtail? What the fuck were they thinking? Ellie’s voice is arguably Wolf Alice.
Em
I never heard of Wolf Alice until you started mentioning them. So thank you! They're great.I don’t think it fits in either musically or thematically. Maybe the record company said they needed one more track.
I got into them when they were mostly putting out EPs. So I’m used to a more raw sound from them. Though I guess Blush is an exception.
Em
Wonderwhy being a hidden track makes it all the more confounding (I know "hidden tracks" aren't what they were back in my day but there is a least some connotation there)I don’t think it fits in either musically or thematically. Maybe the record company said they needed one more track.
I got into them when they were mostly putting out EPs. So I’m used to a more raw sound from them. Though I guess Blush is an exception.
Em
*IF* your sensibilities allow it, experience the album from start to finish. That's where it really shines.I never heard of Wolf Alice until you started mentioning them. So thank you! They're great.
I've only listened to Swallowtail and Your Loves Whore so far, so I don't know about all this thematic mismatch business. I just know I absolutely love both songs. Now to listen to more...
So I'm reading the lyrics as I listen. Can you go further into why you (and Em) feel this way? I don't see the social repression or poor emotional vocabulary... so I'm sure I'm missing something.Can't help but feel it's a dude weighing in on matters with tropey, admittedly socially repressed/poor emotional vocabulary.
Would seem less stark/out of place if Ellie hadn't spent the previous 29 minutes holding a MasterClass in the exact opposite.
So fucking weird.
First order: I don't think Em was suggesting what I was. I think she's more on the order of "dance with the girl who brought you."So I'm reading the lyrics as I listen. Can you go further into why you (and Em) feel this way? I don't see the social repression or poor emotional vocabulary... so I'm sure I'm missing something.
Gotcha. The rest do seem a lot more dynamic for sure.First order: I don't think Em was suggesting what I was. I think she's more on the order of "dance with the girl who brought you."
As to my assertions (and music is ripe for incorrect assumptions/projections so take me with a mountain sized grain of salt) it's a matter of both Em's point and the nature of the song itself.
It's not bad. Hell, it's probably better than a lot of what dominated streaming at the time. Where it really suffers is in comparison. Ellie's prior tracks have been an emotional explorations, ruminations, navigations, hopes and laments, mostly through a female lens (of course there's a universality) which tends to be more emotionally intelligent/use according vocabulary.
Swallowtail disrupts this with a common to maybe a tad tropey reflection by, what I perceive as a young male (so likely emotionally stunted hence the reliance on tropes) perspective. Clearly I bring my own biases (and maybe axes to grind?) so it may be minutely those things (which I am oversensitive to) or none of those things at all.
I don't think you missed anything, I think Swallowtail is mostly common language (which still has it above much of what passes for musical "narrative" these days)
Ellie's been holding emotional court, painting narratives left and right (sometimes with common language, sometimes with tone, sometimes with unique word choice, sometimes with raw emotion.)
Swallowtail, in comparison, seems very onenote and out of place.
Perhaps our love of the whole makes us a tad conspiracy theory and Swallowtail draws unfair ire.
Another thing I would suggest is avoid me, certainly, and maybe other outside opinions as you experience it. I'd *probably* skip the lyric following as well (though, I come from a time where easy lyric access wasn't the norm so charting our own course/experience of a song was the norm)So I'm reading the lyrics as I listen. Can you go further into why you (and Em) feel this way? I don't see the social repression or poor emotional vocabulary... so I'm sure I'm missing something.
Don't worry, you haven't tainted my perception too much !Another thing I would suggest is avoid me, certainly, and maybe other outside opinions as you experience it. I'd *probably* skip the lyric following as well (though, I come from a time where easy lyric access wasn't the norm so charting our own course/experience of a song was the norm)
Just as your stories are out of you hands once you've published, so too is music.
I would hate for my comments to change your experience, for the good or bad, from what it would be.
As I said, I consider it a special, outlier of an album (in the modern landscape)
My personal suggestion is to experience it in whole, in a listening situation where it is at least a majority of your focus.
Let Ellie seep in your (sub?) subconscious. She can rip it when she wants to but she has a special ability to sneak in your cortex if conditions are right (and, I believe that is her greatest strength even among her many)
So I just put ST on a couple times just to be sure in my (memory) assumptions.Don't worry, you haven't tainted my perception too much !