Kerry as traitor, aiding the communists

[Colleen Thomas]

Meow!





- Mindy, amused

You are just begging for me to comment on your cute pussy aren't you?

-Colly

 

[Pure]

thenry,

Drudge is at it again. Wasn't it he that broke the 'dress' part of the Clinton bj story? A real bottom feeder. Fortunately Repubs are not immune to lust, avarice, etc.

J

 

[shereads]

I hate to point this out, but conservative republicans felt exactly the same about Bill Clinton. Not seeing how the voting public could support Bush is seriously short sighted and obviously affected by your personal dislike of him.

-Colly

Oh, Colly. How can you see what's happened to this country in the space of three years and not see a difference here? Did you ever in your wildest dreams think to see a justice department issuing subpoenas for women's medical records because they've had abortions? Can everything these people are doing to us be blamed on terrorism? What harm was done to your personal freedom or mine under the previous administration? And how much good was accomplished that has been undone?

Domestically, we're being stripped of our right to privacy in ways I didn't think would happen in my lifetime. Internationally, the only remaining superpower had a chance to demonstrate that we have intelligence as well as muscle, and instead we have behaved like a teenaged bully on steroids.

And yes, those of us who dreaded to see this man elected saw through his lies, and so we are surprised that others didn't. Not a single thing Bush has done since he entered office deviated from the neocon plan that has been clear from the beginning to anybody who bothered to listen.

Just last week we were entertained by an 18-year-old whose opinions were about a dozen times stronger than the knowledge on which he based them. Don't denegrate a college student like Dark for being politically aware.

It's a simple truth that the fact of who these people were and what they wanted to do was available, in black and white, to anybody who chose to do some reading. Laziness elected this president, not a shared belief among a lot of people that there should be more spying on citizens, or that we ought to bomb a country because it has a dictator and some oil.

I promise you, that whatever you felt about the previous administration it wasn't this. This isn't as simple as despising an individual man or thinking him too liberal or too conservative.

This is fear. This White House and its Justice Department are taking this country down a road that we might never find an end to.

 

[Dirty Slut]

There is no man on earth in more dire need of a blow job than president Bush. I'd do it myself, but you know how these republicans respond to that sort of thing. They always want to share you with their body guards. And I'm not up for taking on the entire secret service.

DS

 

[shereads]

There is no man on earth in more dire need of a blow job than president Bush.

Not if God sent the Angel Gabriel to tell me, "You alone can save the planet from famine and pestilence. All you have to do is give Bush a blow job."

I don't think it's even an option, Dirty. GWB is a hand puppet. Everything from the neck down is Dick Cheney's arm.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Oh, Colly. How can you see what's happened to this country in the space of three years and not see a difference here? Did you ever in your wildest dreams think to see a justice department issuing subpoenas for women's medical records because they've had abortions? Can everything these people are doing to us be blamed on terrorism? What harm was done to your personal freedom or mine under the previous administration? And how much good was accomplished that has been undone?

Domestically, we're being stripped of our right to privacy in ways I didn't think would happen in my lifetime. Internationally, the only remaining superpower had a chance to demonstrate that we have intelligence as well as muscle, and instead we have behaved like a teenaged bully on steroids.

And yes, those of us who dreaded to see this man elected saw through his lies, and so we are surprised that others didn't. Not a single thing Bush has done since he entered office deviated from the neocon plan that has been clear from the beginning to anybody who bothered to listen.

Just last week we were entertained by an 18-year-old whose opinions were about a dozen times stronger than the knowledge on which he based them. Don't denegrate a college student like Dark for being politically aware.

It's a simple truth that the fact of who these people were and what they wanted to do was available, in black and white, to anybody who chose to do some reading. Laziness elected this president, not a shared belief among a lot of people that there should be more spying on citizens, or that we ought to bomb a country because it has a dictator and some oil.

I promise you, that whatever you felt about the previous administration it wasn't this. This isn't as simple as despising an individual man or thinking him too liberal or too conservative.

This is fear. This White House and its Justice Department are taking this country down a road that we might never find an end to.

1. Southern Baptist's generally vote Republican. Along with a serious number of fundamentalist christians of other dmoninations.

2. The Partial Birth abortion ban will guarntee that at least a good chunk of the right to life moment votes for Bush.

3. Southerners, who still see the Democrats as the party of tax & spend, Gays, Liberals, gun control and minorities will vote Republican.

4. With people who share Pure's views counted among the democratic faithful most NRA members will vote Republican.

5. Small bussiness owners will vote republican by an large as it's the party of big bussiness, but it is the party of bussiness and they almost all hope to be "big" someday.

I don't really think I need to go on here. Like him or hate him, like his policy or hate it, if the republican party happens to be the party of your particular pet interest you are going to vote for them by and large. I don't care if you hate the man's guts, spit on the ground he walks on or wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire as my Granddaddy used to say, just because it is abundantly clear to you that he is a bad president, no matter how ardantly you believe it, it dosen't change the fact that he represents his party's views and policies. People seem to think he's doing a good job, according to the poles. I accept that some of them are out there, but some just believe it, some see thier pet policy being supported and some are just plain old fashioned conservatives with no where else to turn.

I wasn't belitteling his views. But I went to college, I happen to know that conservative college students are about as rare as virginal college students after freshman year. I know, I was both.

To state the hope that rational people will see it your way and not be able to bring themselves to vote for him is hopelessly naive and idealistic. And while not exclusive, those two qualities are also closely tied to college students.

-Colly

 

[minsue]

You are just begging for me to comment on your cute pussy aren't you?

-Colly

Laughed so hard I scared the damn dog! How did I miss this before?!?

The answer, of couse, is yes. Yes I am.

- Mindy

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Laughed so hard I scared the damn dog! How did I miss this before?!?

The answer, of couse, is yes. Yes I am.

- Mindy

In that case my dear, let me be the first to tell you what a cute pussy you have there

-Colly

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

To what Dirt Man said: Amen.

To OldNotDead, well thought out replies.

Colly, don't let Shereads anti-Bush bashing get you down. As The Darkness pointed out, Democrats had to put up with anti-Clinton comments for eight years that were motivated by similar deep seated resentments.

Now to the IMHO part,

While I'm a democrat (small and big D) I've got some good conservative credentials. For instance, back in '64 future first lady and US Senator Hillary R. Clinton and I were both big backers of Barry Goldwater.

If, as I predict, Bush becomes a one term President after the November election, it wll be a vote against him, not an anti-Republican movement or some giant swing to the left. I washed my hands of the Bush family after what they did to Senator John McCain four years ago in South Carolina. The Bush bunch will do whatever it takes to win. Anybody remember Willie Horton?

Someone who gets in their way, whether that person be a Republican Senator who's a former prisoner of war like McCain or Democratic Senator who's a triple amputee vet like Max Cleland in Georgia, will get kicked in, among other places, the teeth.

To all those who consider Bush a loathsome life-form, my advice is to ease off on the personal attacks. Otherwise you might start sounding just like the Bushites or Limbaugh or Gingrich.

Not all Republicans stoop that low. John McCain hasn't, neither did Ford or Reagan. And as an old Goldwater guy (where's my AUH20 64 bumper sticker?) I don't think he'd have put up with anything like that. After all, a man who personally liked John Kennedy and despised Richard Nixon must have had pretty good taste.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[minsue]

1. Southern Baptist's generally vote Republican. Along with a serious number of fundamentalist christians of other dmoninations.

2. The Partial Birth abortion ban will guarntee that at least a good chunk of the right to life moment votes for Bush.

3. Southerners, who still see the Democrats as the party of tax & spend, Gays, Liberals, gun control and minorities will vote Republican.

4. With people who share Pure's views counted among the democratic faithful most NRA members will vote Republican.

5. Small bussiness owners will vote republican by an large as it's the party of big bussiness, but it is the party of bussiness and they almost all hope to be "big" someday.

I don't really think I need to go on here. Like him or hate him, like his policy or hate it, if the republican party happens to be the party of your particular pet interest you are going to vote for them by and large. I don't care if you hate the man's guts, spit on the ground he walks on or wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire as my Granddaddy used to say, just because it is abundantly clear to you that he is a bad president, no matter how ardantly you believe it, it dosen't change the fact that he represents his party's views and policies. People seem to think he's doing a good job, according to the poles. I accept that some of them are out there, but some just believe it, some see thier pet policy being supported and some are just plain old fashioned conservatives with no where else to turn.

I wasn't belitteling his views. But I went to college, I happen to know that conservative college students are about as rare as virginal college students after freshman year. I know, I was both.

To state the hope that rational people will see it your way and not be able to bring themselves to vote for him is hopelessly naive and idealistic. And while not exclusive, those two qualities are also closely tied to college students.

-Colly

There's a lot in the news around here recently about Barry Goldwater, one of the last great conservatives, since a new statue of him is to be dedicated this weekend. You can't grow up in AZ, at least not from the '70s on, without being educated ad nauseum about the late Sen. I'm confident in this much, Colly. Sen Goldwater would be fighting Bush & Co with everything he had right now. Anyone who believes in a smaller federal government that should stay the hell out of our private business would. So why isn't the Republican party?? That's what I just cannot understand. It's supposed to be the party of states' rights, smaller federal govt, less spending, etc. Why is the Republican party letting it all go to hell? For what?

- Mindy

 

[shereads]

In war you learn to kill yourself before the enemy does it, and if by chance you survive it you live with the guilt of surviving it for the rest of your life. And yes, I am a Vietnam Veteran. Am I peaved at George for not serving his country over there? Nope. Am I pissed at those who fled to Canada, and were later forgiven, and allowed to return? Nope. When they fled they never thought that they'd be allowed back. That takes guts too.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

That's one of the most generous things I've heard anyone say. Ever.

BTW, I'm not peaved at George for not serving either. I'm made ill by his hypocrisy.

 

[shereads]

Why is the Republican party letting it all go to hell? For what?

- Mindy

With him, they win. Without him, they lose. Winning is the essential American value.

I lived in Arizona when I was a kid. My dad gave me a Barry Goldwater doll. I probably threw it away in a fit of rebellion at some point.



And you're right, if Goldwater were alive, he'd fight to stop the Bush/Cheneys. Unforunately, he'd want to bomb them.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

There's a lot in the news around here recently about Barry Goldwater, one of the last great conservatives, since a new statue of him is to be dedicated this weekend. You can't grow up in AZ, at least not from the '70s on, without being educated ad nauseum about the late Sen. I'm confident in this much, Colly. Sen Goldwater would be fighting Bush & Co with everything he had right now. Anyone who believes in a smaller federal government that should stay the hell out of our private business would. So why isn't the Republican party?? That's what I just cannot understand. It's supposed to be the party of states' rights, smaller federal govt, less spending, etc. Why is the Republican party letting it all go to hell? For what?

- Mindy

Um, he could beat Gore. He's there now. I believe it was Huey P. Long who summed it up when talkng about a parrish commisioner. He's a sonofabitch, but by god he's OUR sonofabitch!

And if you are a staunch republican, after 8 years of Bill & Hillary, the devil himself would be preferable to more of them.

If you want a really honest opinion from a one time party loyalist.

-Colly

 

[shereads]

To all those who consider Bush a loathsome life-form, my advice is to ease off on the personal attacks. Otherwise you might start sounding just like the Bushites or Limbaugh or Gingrich.

Not all Republicans stoop that low. John McCain hasn't, neither did Ford or Reagan.

Reagan authorized Iran Contra and provided the incentive for several innocent people to be kept in holes.

Read "Taken On Faith" by Terry Waite. You'll see something loathesome at work if you read between the lines.

"Sounding like Rush" worked very well for the right wing, Rumple. Liberals have been polite for far too long. One Rush Limbaugh episode trumps a year of NPR.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

To what Dirt Man said: Amen.

To OldNotDead, well thought out replies.

Colly, don't let Shereads anti-Bush bashing get you down. As The Darkness pointed out, Democrats had to put up with anti-Clinton comments for eight years that were motivated by similar deep seated resentments.

Now to the IMHO part,

While I'm a democrat (small and big D) I've got some good conservative credentials. For instance, back in '64 future first lady and US Senator Hillary R. Clinton and I were both big backers of Barry Goldwater.

If, as I predict, Bush becomes a one term President after the November election, it wll be a vote against him, not an anti-Republican movement or some giant swing to the left. I washed my hands of the Bush family after what they did to Senator John McCain four years ago in South Carolina. The Bush bunch will do whatever it takes to win. Anybody remember Willie Horton?

Someone who gets in their way, whether that person be a Republican Senator who's a former prisoner of war like McCain or Democratic Senator who's a triple amputee vet like Max Cleland in Georgia, will get kicked in, among other places, the teeth.

To all those who consider Bush a loathsome life-form, my advice is to ease off on the personal attacks. Otherwise you might start sounding just like the Bushites or Limbaugh or Gingrich.

Not all Republicans stoop that low. John McCain hasn't, neither did Ford or Reagan. And as an old Goldwater guy (where's my AUH20 64 bumper sticker?) I don't think he'd have put up with anything like that. After all, a man who personally liked John Kennedy and despised Richard Nixon must have had pretty good taste.

Rumple Foreskin

Hey rumps you dirty old Democrat you

Sher dosen't get me down often. I have been in her shoes and know how the impotent rage feels. I was one of the most rabid anti Clintonites in the U.S. I am sure.

-Colly

 

[minsue]

Um, he could beat Gore. He's there now. I believe it was Huey P. Long who summed it up when talkng about a parrish commisioner. He's a sonofabitch, but by god he's OUR sonofabitch!

And if you are a staunch republican, after 8 years of Bill & Hillary, the devil himself would be preferable to more of them.

If you want a really honest opinion from a one time party loyalist.

-Colly

I'll leave that one alone. I know you've tried to explain it, but I will never understand the innate evil of the Clintons.

A side note to Rumple -
I am honored to be posting about the same person at the same time as you. They say great minds think alike so that just boosted my ego. (which is in itself a bit odd, but we just won't inspect that too closely... )

- Mindy

 

[shereads]

To state the hope that rational people will see it your way and not be able to bring themselves to vote for him is hopelessly naive and idealistic.

We already know how the rational ones will vote.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

We already know how the rational ones will vote.

As I said, not exclusive to college students

Rational to you, within the frame work of your views, situation and prejudices does not neccessarily equate to rational to me within the frema work of my views, situation and prejudices. The best that can be said of rational voters is they will look at all the facts and do their best to vote the way they think is best for the country.

-Colly

 

[The_Darkness]

from Rumple Foreskin I To all those who consider Bush a loathsome life-form, my advice is to ease off on the personal attacks. Otherwise you might start sounding just like the Bushites or Limbaugh or Gingrich.

Rumple, hate to burst your bubble, but I'm kind of a bastard....it's that whole damn blatent honesty thing I've got going for me...If I don't like someone, I generally say it...unless it's not kosher to. Like I wouldn't tell the CEO of my company that he's a money-grubbing prick and he's running the company into the ground. I'd be more than happy to say that I disagree with his buisness strategies. It's not called being PC...it's called being employed.

All of those points were semi-valid. I'd just like to say that I'm a gun-loving democrat who thinks that a war can be waged for the right reasons. I think this government and country needs a very swift kick in the ass and that a handful of disaffected citizens aren't going to do shit to the corporations that run our country.

As a historian I'd like to note that we are comming up on our true 225th in a couple years... (Constitution wasn't actually ratified in 1781, and a handful of rebels does not a country make) and NOT one civilization on Earth has lasted longer than 400 years without SERIOUS governmental upheaval and generally multiple civil wars. In the last decade or so, I've seen this country take steps away from being a republic (read the constitution kids, this is NOT a democracy...this be a Republic) and steps toward something very very different and generally very very bad.

Patriot as I am, I give the Republic of the United States of America about another 50 years....75 tops. It doesn't matter whether Kerry wins this election or whether Bush is really the ass I seem to think he is.

I'm just sayin'...

 

[kellycummings]

Since this has turned into an anti-Bush thread I might as well give my opinion of the man.
When he was voted in (by the electoral college NOT the public, Gore won THAT vote) I thought the country had gone mad. I couldn't believe this moron had won.
After 9-11 I began to have different feelings about him. He acted strong and defiant in the face of terrorism and I thought maybe I had misjudged him. I agreed with our attack of Afghanistan and thought maybe we were heading in the right direction, doing the right thing.
Then Iraq came about and I was disgusted. It was so obvious that the whole thing was bullshit. Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld and Powell are terrible liars. They couldn't even make it sound convincing. It's a damn shame when you can't even fool the French.
I won't get into the economy. They try to blame Clinton but I don't buy it. You don't go from a surplus to a defecit in a matter of a few months and blame the other guy.
If Bush would simply come out and say he screwed up I would have more respect for him but after that bullshit Meet the Press interview where he refused to aknowledge his mistakes I can't help but want the man booted from office.
I ride the fence on Dems and Rep., I vote for who I think is right at the time, regardless of party. I'll be democrat this year.

 

[The_Darkness]

AMEN!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Oopsy

 

[minsue]

As I said, not exclusive to college students

Rational to you, within the frame work of your views, situation and prejudices does not neccessarily equate to rational to me within the frema work of my views, situation and prejudices. The best that can be said of rational voters is they will look at all the facts and do their best to vote the way they think is best for the country.

-Colly

But how many rational voters do think there really are? And, of those, how many actually vote? An what if they go and vote for the wrong person, what then? Are they still rational?

 

[shereads]

As I said, not exclusive to college students

Rational to you, within the frame work of your views, situation and prejudices does not neccessarily equate to rational to me within the frema work of my views, situation and prejudices. The best that can be said of rational voters is they will look at all the facts and do their best to vote the way they think is best for the country.

-Colly

I'd love to know how anyone thinks we're better off with this president than without him. Honest to god, I'd love to know how things could be worse.

 

[The_Darkness]

Well yeah....but it really doesn't matter for the big elections....the electoral college is nice enough to abuse the intelligence of the voters....

I forget how many presidents have one both the electoral colllege vote AND the popular vote, but it's not many. We have the technology and the media coverage to let everyone see the issues, hear the politicians, and vote in a timely fashion....I don't understand why we don't use it.