Lesbians at the gate?

[SweetCherry]

SHe's an adult. She is also your mother. I don't care if you ARE paying the rent, she is STILL your mother and by trying to say who you think she should and shouldn't sleep with, you are being very disrespectful to her, both as a person and as your mother. She's the one who carried you in her body for 9 months and went through pain to bring you into this world. Do you think she would love you less and make even think of makiong demnds on you if she were to think you were homosexual? Treat her as you would want to be treated in her situation.

 

[Darkstaff]

Ah yes, I need professional help and a lesson in civil rights because I actually dared to say that something was absolutely right and something else was absolutely wrong. Holy shit a bit of restraint and decency is NOT infringing on your constitutional rights. I suppose if I want to be free to piss in public then I should be able to do that too huh?

 

[Siren]

Why are you so angry when you come here to post something personal .....

 

[Thumper]

Liberal scum, Pigs!!!

Well OINK me!

Did I hear him say there is nothing inherently bad about coke...

Hmmm I can think of one...oh let me see...hmmm could it be...a death sentence! That shit makes ya stupid.

I think maybe your mom turned gay too late.

Who cares...my mom is my mom...she annoys me whether she sleeps with men or women. So kick her out if it makes ya feel good...she would undoubtedly have treated you different...but that is your karma.

 

[SweetCherry]

Who you make love to is somethign totally different than pissing in public. I don't know about you, but I don't invite the general public into my bedroom, not do I have a desire to piss in front o them. You are comparing apples to oranges right now.

 

[Darkstaff]

Well no there isn't Thumper...controlled use is just like using any other drug, such as alcohol or tobacco (apparently you arent controlling your use...nowhere in my posts did I say I was throwing my mom out...learn to read you fucking moron). Course I sppose its alright fer yall slobberish hicks to drink 20 beers and run over 18 people because you were so stoned you couldnt tell your dick from a rubber hose...god forbid someone who has control and knows what they're doing hits a gram or two of coke for a qucik pickme up though. Please, I have no time to hear the democratic propaganda machine today. Personally I think I became a gun nut a little too late.

[Edited by Darkstaff on 02-02-2001 at 06:32 PM]

 

[Angel]

Calm Down

Darkstaff...calm down. You aren't neccessarily right and everyone else isn't wrong. What is right to one is not right for everyone.

Everyone else....maybe lay off of him a little. Maybe he is coming off pretty harshly, but maybe it's just hard for him to deal with his feelings on something as big as this. Maybe it's not a big deal to everyone, but it obviously is making him question alot of things, and it's difficult to swallow at the moment.

Darkstaff...why don't you just talk to her. You don't have to really come outright and ask her, but just talk to her. Maybe she is afraid to tell you, maybe she is unsure about her own feelings or maybe you're wrong and it's like her best friend or something. But if it is eating away at you that much have a heart to heart talk with her.

 

[jcgirl]

Um I think my mom may have homosexual tendencies.

Hey, count your blessings......at least she doesnt have homocidal tendencies

 

[Never]

I've decided posting to this thread would constitute masochism and be as effective as ramming my head into a steal door a few times.

Have fun folks.

 

[Thumper]

Crackhead Bob!

She should have finished the abortion rather than getting up and leaving halfway through.

Controlled use....show me one cokehead that knows what controlled use is...it controls you...I've never used it and apparently you have so who's the moron?

Do us a favor and blow out a ventricle the next time you engage in controlled use...finish up what your mother couldn't.

What a maroon! Bless his heart!

 

[April]

Thumper. Wanna come play? Click on the red house.

 

[Darkstaff]

Well, I figure I'll start backwards from the asshole posts and defend my position.

Thumper: Obviously you're an idiot, as you dont know your history. Who uses/used cocaine reasonably without becoming a crackhead: try the US before 1930, England, and other such countries who have better things to spend their money on than the war on drugs. Back in the early 1900's, cocaine was used in many things, including Coca-Cola, which a good deal of people drank. While it wasn't the healthiest time in the world, I think we can all agree that the majority of the population didn't OD, or else we wouldn't be sitting here. Same with England...cocaine use wasn't necessarily taboo: many people did it, and many refrences were made to it. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes used a bit of cocaine every now and then, and I don't recall one person in his era jumping up and down to have the books taken off the shelves because the man used the white powder. Now you can take you Nixon era rhetoric and go fuck yourself with it; you seem to me the kind of person who would ban using substances the "Goverment" says are wrong, yet has no problem losing all self control and getting so drunk off of legal beer that you end up running over a dozen people and not even remembering what you did. But of course beer is legal, so getting sloppy drunk and commiting DUI's are ok I guess. Please; now you show me a controlled drinker: THATS some shit I've never seen before. Yeah I've heard people say "I can control my drinking," yet when I've seen them they're always sloppy drunk off their ass. I think that responsible drinkers are like Bigfoot, people have claimed to have seen them, but no one has actually laid their hands on one. Go figure.

Angel: Well I can see whe're you're coming from, but I disagree. Just because everyone says something is ok doesn't make it right. People are sitting here going, "oh I should respect her decision and the like..." Why? Why should I be OK with the fact that she might be homosexual? What's the argument: I can't find anything inherently wrong with homosexuality? Well ok can anyone here find anything inherently wrong with beastialty. Can anyone in here find anything inherently wrong with cheating: I mean marriage is an institution created by man, so why should people get out of shape when their mate decides to go fuck 10/12 women and perhaps put a baby in one or two of them. The basic argument is the same...should who a person associates with affect their other relationships. For all the writing on here about having extramarital orgies and stuff, I guarntee that probably 50% of the people on here would have REAL problems if they found out their mate had been fucking around on them; why so...its their life, they're adults, so as long as they aren't being outwardly lax in their obligations to you, no one on here has a right to go, "oh I got a divorce from x person because they cheated on me." How dare someone has a problem with who someone associates with.

Siren: Actually I wasn't really expecting a cheering section, and I expected a good deal of people to disagree with me...but I figured maybe someone would understand how a situation like this would feel and tell me how they handled it. As for the bible...I'm sorry, but I dont really take my advice from there. People use the bible in bits and pieces to justify whatever they want, and I don't agree with that: you see you can use the bible to rationally justify anything, and I'm not going down that road.



[Edited by Darkstaff on 02-03-2001 at 12:25 AM]

 

[Siren]

Well good luck with your chat with your MOM.

 

[Closet Desire]

Gotta go with...

..."red" on this one. You did ask for it.

Consider this...forget everything you think you know about sex for a minute. Sex is a sensual game played by consenting adults. It could involve anything from lesbian/gay/bi relations to sodomy to domination to pain to wham-bam-thank-you-mam. The key words are "game" and "consensual". Forget the stigma nailed down by religion, school, dirty mags, and the lot. Sex is just two people touching and pleasing one another. It's a private game...unless voyeurism is part of the game.

Rape has nothing to do with sex...never, ever. If you mean "forced" as in "ravished" then many men and women find it thrilling to be powerless and submit. The "rape fantasy" is more about ravishment than non-consensual assault and, yes, forced sex can be consensual. It's just another game. It allows them to feel abandoned to their own pleasure.

It seems like part of this goes back to the idea that children often find the very idea that their parents are sexual beings repulsive...but they are human with their own unique passions and needs.

 

[Darkstaff]

Somehow I get the feeling we're just playing the name game now. Its not rape, its ravishment. So if I go shoot someone, its not murder, Im relieving him of his obligations to perform biological homostasis maintaining operations: and the bullet didnt tear through bone and flesh, the skin at the contact point yielded to instant and rapid coercion after forceful nudging by a small mass which had a greater velocity than the target. I learn something new every day!

 

[Closet Desire]

Tell me...

...is English your second language or do you just have trouble understanding the words?

 

[Darkstaff]

I didn't want to bring it up, but you never answered my question...how is homosexuality and different from beastialty or infidelity...I suppose those things are games too...yet I hear WAY more people bitch about the last two than the first. Anything can be a game...the Incas had a game, jai-alai, where a head was kicked around and the losing team was decapitated. So some games are much more serious than others. What exactly is your point here?

Yeah what's right ain't popular this time...wouldn't be a first.

[Edited by Darkstaff on 02-03-2001 at 04:06 AM]

 

[Closet Desire]

I'll keep it simple...

Homosexuality is an intimate, consensual, relationship between persons of the same sex and can include all the things that two people in love usually experience including sex, watching TV, kissing, hugging, arguing, shopping, and so on.

Bestiality is a sexual pursuit with non-consenting partners.

Infidelity has nothing to do with sex, but with a moral rule recognised by some cultures involving sex or intimate relationships outside of some legal or religious institution such as marriage, when it is called adultery.

 

[Darkstaff]

Now we're rationalizing

How the hell do you know if those animals are consenting or non consenting. I mean I had NO idea that Dr. Doolittle was based in fact.

Secondly, I doubt that trust has anything to do with it: If a person was discovered to have been platonic friends with someone behind their lovers back, I doubt there would be much complaining. Nay, the biggest gripe about infidelity is "she gotta fuckin from some hick otter den me."

I have less of a problem with infidelity than the other two...if a woman gets bored with a man and wants to go find gratification from another man/ vice versa...then so be it. I really dont want to armwrestle anyone who wouldn't be happy with me anyway into staying, so it better for the both of us. On the other hand, its obvious to anyone who's looked in a medical encyclopedia that homosexuality and beastiality "just dont work." Obviously it ain't biological (and please dont give me the stats on gay seagulls...Im well aware), cause if it was then the whole human race would have died out in under a generation...each sex to busy fucking themselves to procreate. Thats just one step in the direction of doing anything for self gratification. So if I do my own sex today and justify it, then whats to stop me from doing little boys tomorrow, and so on and so on down the line. Hell it doesn't serve a purpose but it makes me feel good so damn everything...I think I'm going to keep going till I become the next Dahmer.

 

[Closet Desire]

Interestingly...

...my partner wrote some of those "books" and that isn't what they say at all. Maybe you should try broadening your reading habits. Sounds to me like you a bitter, disappointed person who gets kicks from negative attention. I suppose that's better than nothing.

 

[*Lazer*]

You are using this thread to demean anyone with a different opinion then yours. I sincerely hope you treat your family with more respect. People have a right to differ in their feelings from you. Just as they have a right to form relationships with or without approval from others. Sounds to me like you have some serious control issues. Making your love conditional on your mother doing what you want her to is a very sad way to live.

 

[teresafannin]

As a mother, I find the lack of respect in how you talk about your mother is offensive. I have several gay friends & not a one of them has ever done ANYTHING to a little boy. The majority of pedophiles are NOT gay, that is a myth put out by the Religious Right & others. Darkstaff, you need to grow up, get your own life & butt out of your mother's. You may be reading way more into this than what is really there, anyway. I am 41 years old, call ALL my women friends girlfriend & am very happily engaged to the most wonderful man on the planet. I am not a lesbian, have never had a lesbian affair, but if I did, I like to think that my family would love & accept me for who I am, not who I sleep with. It is also offensive the way you toss murder remarks around like it is some casual part of converstation. Unfortunately, I know more about murder than just about anyone on this board. My only child was murdered a year & a half ago, killed in church. You don't seem to care much about anyone other than yourself, but maybe bits & pieces of what some of the people here have said will get through. Just be thankful you still have your mother, I miss my son every day & it doesn't seem to get any easier.

 

[jcgirl]

Re: Now we're rationalizing

How the hell do you know if those animals are consenting or non consenting. I mean I had NO idea that Dr. Doolittle was based in fact.

Secondly, I doubt that trust has anything to do with it: If a person was discovered to have been platonic friends with someone behind their lovers back, I doubt there would be much complaining. Nay, the biggest gripe about infidelity is "she gotta fuckin from some hick otter den me."

I have less of a problem with infidelity than the other two...if a woman gets bored with a man and wants to go find gratification from another man/ vice versa...then so be it. I really dont want to armwrestle anyone who wouldn't be happy with me anyway into staying, so it better for the both of us. On the other hand, its obvious to anyone who's looked in a medical encyclopedia that homosexuality and beastiality "just dont work." Obviously it ain't biological (and please dont give me the stats on gay seagulls...Im well aware), cause if it was then the whole human race would have died out in under a generation...each sex to busy fucking themselves to procreate. Thats just one step in the direction of doing anything for self gratification. So if I do my own sex today and justify it, then whats to stop me from doing little boys tomorrow, and so on and so on down the line. Hell it doesn't serve a purpose but it makes me feel good so damn everything...I think I'm going to keep going till I become the next Dahmer.

What the hell is wrong with you? Since when does being gay or bi eventually lead into pedophilism? I have tremendous respect for your mother, shes had to put up with your closed mindedness all these years, even though she has obviously dropped you on your head a few times during your toddler years.

 

[Angel]

Damnit. I take back my defense of Darkstaff. See what I get for being nice and attempting to understand? Ungh. I'll go back to being an Evil Bitch. Where is my darker half when you need him!

 

[Thumper]

Give fools..

enough rope and they will hang themselves.

Nowhere did I say it cocaine should be illegal. I'm all for allowing people to engage in stupid behaviour. Thins the herd, know what I mean? So go do a half pound or so and get on with natural selection. Homosexuality is not a choice. Did you ever have to make a decision? I didn't. I have liked, adored, revered women from the outset. Never been attracted to a male ever. I can't imagine being attracted to any man. But I will be tolerant and understanding of those who do. As far as being an idiot...I'll match IQ's with ya anyday. Usually the less intelligent start spouting insults when they have no valid argument. I think you should do your mother a favor and just ask her and then if she is just do what your nature guides you to do. She would be better off rid of you. You would be the one who suffers most in the end.