Lesbians at the gate?

[KillerMuffin]

Everyone is getting their noses bent out of joint here for no good reason.

Darkstaff, darlin. This has nothing to do with your mother and her possible homosexuality or bisexuality. This has everything to do with your happiness and her happiness. I am going out on a limb here and I am going to assume you love her. You can love her one of two ways, conditionally or unconditionally. You love her, but only if she behaves how you think she should. Or you love her no matter what.

In the end, she is an adult. Whether or not you pay the rent is immaterial. In the end, if she falls in love with another woman and you can't handle it, you have two options. You can accept it and be a part of her life. Or you can reject her, withdraw your emotional and your less important financial support. It'll be hard on her, but she could find someplace else to live, or may find someone else to help her with the rent.

This isn't about her sexuality. It's about your relationship with her. You don't own your mother, you are acting like you have some say in how she behaves. If she wants to go out and be a hare krishna, you can't stop her. If she wants to go out and love someone in a way that is a total abomination in your eyes, you can't stop her. Whatever she chooses to do, she will always be your mother.

Ya'll have a choice to make sugar, you can love your mother, or you can not love your mother. Love means acceptance. It doesn't mean you condone her behavior, or approve of it, but it means you accept her. If she went out and killed someone, she would still be your mother. You would still love her, and that means accepting her for a murderer. You can still love and accept her for who she is and testify against her at the same time.

Love and acceptance are being equated with ownership, control, and condoning aberrant behaviors.

In the end you will have to sit down and have a talk with your mother. Or an argument, or something. Communication will take place. It will be up to you how it goes.

There is nothing worse than losing your mother over something that, after all is said and done, doesn't mean as much as having her with you. I know, it's how I lost mine.

 

[Darkstaff]

Good god, the hypocrisy. Where exactly did I demean anyone who has an opinion different than me who DIDN'T start throwing flames for the hell of it? I've said that I'm ok with homosexuality, as long as you don't involve me in it. So basically I don't want anything to do with it: I suppose I'm the first person who doesn't want anything to do with something. You might have a point IF at some point I said I were going out and actively executing gay people or something, but I didn't. That's their lifestyle, and I realize I have no right to intefere, but they have no right to ask me to accept them and their lifestyle with open arms. At least I have the balls to recognize everyone's right to abhor something. No fucking way I'm accepting any and every popular opinion because its the PC thing to do, and whatever you may think of my postings on this board, believe me when I say I accept a LOT.

Actually, its kind of strange, as I can see what some people mean when they say that PC goes too far in making them like x, y, and z races. People are going, "you gotta like lesbians and gays cause if you aren't then you aren't liking blacks and mexicans and jews and stuff." AND? First of all lets get an opinion from someone who is black on how they feel about people disliking them....I DONT CARE. I fully realize and respect that they have the right to dislike me cause I'm black, and to act accordingly...I realize that they may have a very good reason for their feelings: hell a lot of the encounters I've had with negroes have left me more than a little bitter, as their outcomes were predictable and violent. Joe Schmoe doesn't like me cause I'm black, fine. I'm not going to die if he doesn't invite me to his cocktail party or goes skiing with me or allow me to marry his daughter: All I ask is that when interacting, dont act a damn fool with a hate on and give me the same fair shake you would anyone else. Thats what you people are missing; I dont have to like a man to give him a fair shake. Where in the constitution or any amendment does it say I have to love every man(please dont break out the bible on this one...cause whatever scripture you bring up to push that point let me assure you I can find 20 to nullify it). I have to respect every ones right to free speech...doesn't mean I have to be at the auditorium clapping for the speaker; the only prerequsite is that I don't go trying to burn the podium down.

As for the idiots here going "I've used crack," and "they'll compare IQ's with me anyday," you're wasting your time. Thumper, you made such a sweeping statement AND you vote strictly deomcratic, so if nothing else you aren't very observant. Common sense tells me I have a lot more to fear from Tailgate Party refugees than the occasional guy who amps up on coke. I have YET to hear the football game after report that says, "A bunch of people high on cocaine went and tore down a goal post after their team lost," or the legal report that goes, "well they put GHC in her coke, and afterwards they proceeded to gang rape her." Gee which one seems to be the more evil drug...I mean I wouldn't know I havent tried, but seeing your picture (or at least your choice in pictures), I can assume you're a real stoner..12 beer minimum am I right? So tell me, when you've had 21 beers and you're driving down the road with a BAC of 1.9, does the world REALLY look like one of those Homer Simpsonian daydreams, or are you just passed out at the wheel with cruise control on.

 

[WriterDom]

is there a homo gene? you better get checked, if mom is one than it's 50/50 it's lying dormant in you.

 

[CreamyLady]

I've been reading and re-reading this thread, and I don't think it's really about Darkstaff's mother. I think it is about him and his anger at not finding a kindred spirit; i.e., one who thinks homosexuality is wrong.

I find his reasoning in the other arguments -- rape, pedophilia, drug use, etc. -- flawed, and not even germane to the original topic.

Since he is so very angry, I can't see that anything is gained by further argument. Why not leave him to cool off?

 

[Darkstaff]

This is getting ridiclous. My system administrator calls me up from my ISP, tells me someone's been trying to lay DOS attacks on the server. On top of that, I just got 3 death threats (which is kind of funny really, anyone who knew me would know the smart thing to do would be just to bring it, not sit and telegraph). Suddenly I'm wondering who's more tolerant here: I have said that I do not prefer homosexuality for myself, and I dont agree with anyone who practices it, although I respect their right to do so and wont intefere with them doing so. I have never visited violence upon anyone who does so (now who comes in my house and starts shit is another story), and I dont seek to engage in violent actions with those who practice homosexuality. And for expressing this opinion, I've recieved 3 death threats and my administrator has had to put up yet another firewall to keep the bullshit out; all this from PC liberals who are supposed to be the "latest thing" in tolerance. As one person in another message board I frequent stated, "It seems now that the shoe is on the other foot, the oppressed are taking every chance to be just as tyrannical as their former oppressors." I really shouldn't have to say anything else; the hypocrisy of being visited with death by "tolerant" people for expressing an unpopular opinion shold speak louder than anything else said on here.

As for all the people who say I've put my mom through hell...do you have ANY fucking idea what you're talking about. Number one you went a long way to make an assumption on how I treat my blood based on what I stated in my original posting. So I don't agree with her possible lifestyle...WHERE exactly did the assumption that I had a huge hate on for her occur. I'm agnostic, my mom is a Christian. Does she agree with my decision: no. I dont expect her too. Not agreeing with my point, I think there's a clear understanding between us that I can be as agnostic as I wish to be, just not to ask her to understand, or accept, or try to be so herself. Yes we have a loving relationship, but out of respect for her views, I dont bring up the flaws in the ontological proof everytime we get together, just as she doesn't try to strangle me with scripture every 5 minutes. In other words, we disagree on each others views, but that doesn't mean we dont love each other, and just because I hold a belief doesn't necessarily mean that I'm actively seeking to negate those who differ from mine. So I say I don't agree with homosexuality; hell say I say "you can bring your girlfriends over (assuming shes gay)but I dont want to hear pro gay anything." I dont see the problem...I'm not restricting her right to be anything; I'm saying "you can be gay, and I wont stop your activities, and I won't stop loving you for it, but don't ask me to think its right, or ok, and dont tell me where I'm such a bad guy cause I don't want anything to do with it."

In closing, I'd just like to say that any rational person can see who the ass here is: true tolerance is accepting that people lead their own lives and have their own ideas...and until those negatively affect someone else, you have no right to infringe upon them. Notice I said accept...and that I wont infringe upon them...I'm not obliged to say I agree, or I condone it, or I'll allow it into my presence. This is more of a witch hunt...people hopping on an unpopular opinion because its the thing to do. What makes everyone else here so sure they're right...popular opinion? So if I went back to the 1820's and said that we should give the Indians back their land and free the slaves, I'd be the intolerant one, cause how could I be so closed minded as to think that people deserve land simply cause they were here first, and take slaveowner's only source of income away. Of course the "tolerant" people would probably be the one's dragging me behind a stage coach the next day. By their very definition the majority is never tolerant, something that is very plain to see here.

 

[Angel]

I don't think it is hypocritical at all, Darkstaff. Nobody is wrong here and nobody is right exept by your our own opinions. You aren't any more right than the rest of us, nor are you wrong. You are entitled to having your opinions and also to state them. However so is everyone else, and just because one does not agree with you does not make them wrong. From my viewpoint, I feel as if you are making it out like people who do not agree with you are dead ass wrong and too bad for us. It is the attitude you are spewing out instead of having a rational discussion of differences. I took back my small defense of you only because I no longer believe (In my own opinion, I could be wrong) that you give a damn about your mother being happy. Words on a computer screen are quite hard to read into as well as a real life encounter. However if your mother is lesbian or bisexual, I agree..you do not HAVE to like it. And I highly doubt that you will. I DO hope that even if you do not accept it, you will not turn your back on her or hate her for it.


[rant]
And I highly doubt anyone is trying to be PC. Not the people on THIS board who I love so dearly LOL. In fact I am the furthest thing from PC I know. It nauseates me when a person stands up for the rights of a certain group who is oppressed but shuns another. THAT is hypocrisy (sp?) It nauseates me when a black person screams racism and is just as hateful and evil as the whites that were opressing him/her in the first place. I can't stand white people who stand in the welfare line, chanting how they earned it when they were working, yet assume that every black person on welfare is committing fraud. I hate when I see people marching for gay rights, telling straight people it isn't their business what they do and then shove it in their faces to get a rise out of them, and I cannot stand straight people who think it is their right to dictate who other people can and cannot fuck. I can't stand religious groups who scream for religious freedom for all who then proselytize any chance they get. It makes me sick when people hate, kill, blackball and make people's lives a living hell "In The Name Of God/Allah/insert deity of choice here"

It scares me that now, in the year 2001. All the education we have as a whole that there is still so much fucking ignorance in this world that we STILL continue to generalize groups of people by a stereotype.

White people are devils, blacks are savages, Christians are insane biblethumping pedophile freaks, Pagans are savage, devil worshipping babykillers, gay people molest kids, blah blah blah blah bullshit. If everyone in the fucking world would basically just shut the fuck up and mind their own business, take care of their own dammed families and leave each other's preferences alone we wouldn't have these problems.


[/rant]

 

[Guest]

Darkstaff

This is getting ridiclous. My system administrator calls me up from my ISP, tells me someone's
been trying to lay DOS attacks on the server. On top of that, I just got 3 death threats

Your nose is growing. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to lie?

 

[Angel]

On a side note....too bad men's dicks don't grow when they lie....

I will just leave it at that.

 

[Sammyjo]

On a side note....too bad men's dicks don't grow when they lie....

I will just leave it at that.

Ahhhh....now THAT would be awesome....

 

[Closet Desire]

Does sound...

...like a bit of a stretch doesn't it?

PC? Police Constable? Personal Computer? Processing Chip? Power Cell? Private Chat? Potato Chips?

Mmmm...that sound's good...think I'll go rummage in the kitchen.

 

[Amadeus]

I can respect everyone's opinion but Nogard's. Actually you dont know what the fuck you're talking about...I'm paying the damn rent on the house, so if there's the possibility of her bringing women into the house that I'm paying on then it sure as hell is my business...and if I were living in a house where someone were paying rent and that situation were applied to me...then the same would be true...they would be very entitled to ask me "what the fuck am I doing with X person." Think next time before you open up and say something asinine just because its popular.

Oh, then it's a money thing, eh?

 

[Thumper]

Not a stoner..

no matter what I look like.

I don't drink and drive. My work demands I keep a clean driving record. I drink occasionally but only to excess every 3 or 4 years and that is at a wedding or some such celebration. I will agree drunks are far more obnoxious than most addicts. I've booked both types in. Alcoholics die a slow death..addicts do it quicker.

Since when did I say I voted strictly democratic? I voted for quite a few Republicans this past election. Just not Bush and that is because of his environmental stance...he will trade our semi clean air for money.

 

[Sammyjo]

I love you Thumper...****kisses****

 

[Guest]

A spectacle to behold

Having lurked throughout this thread, I must say that the whole thing leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. This is PC yellow liberalism at its finest, and this is coming from one of the more hardcore liberals. I believe the original question was something related to, "I've always been ok with homosexuality as long as I wasn't involved. How should I handle this with my mom now..." Ok as long as he wasn't involved; I'm pretty sure thats a fair enough view to take on the situation. If you dont like something, dont get involved. While I admit the comment about throwing the lesbian lover out with a pistol may have been a bit over the edge, playing devils advocate here, from all appearances it does seem to be his house, so he has the right to say who does and doesn't come in there. Does that mean he can say blacks and jews and. Yep, that too. The Constitution doesnt make any provisions saying that you have to let anybody in your house based on race, creed, color, nationality, or sex. If he wants to throw all purple polka dotted people out of his house cause he doesn't like it, he has the full right to do that...and guess what people, you have to respect that right the same way he has to respect her right to her sexual orientation. Do you have to like it. No. Does that give you free reign to try to tell someone who comes in their house and force them to let them in. Hell No. As long as he isn't harassing said people on the street and intefering with their rights, then his opinion is his and like it or not, you have to respect it. The liberal sword cuts both ways, and a lot of people don't seem to like it when the scythe comes back their way. Just cause you're into porn and sleeping with mutiple sex partners and against organized religion and the like doesn't make you liberal. If you're going to do all these things yet relentlessly persecute someone on the grounds that their opinons dont agree with your lifestyle or opinions, then at best you're a half assed conservative. Liberal means liberal about change, liberal about freedom, and liberal about discussing the issues in this country. So I can talk with a white supremacist about segregation. If he wants to keep him and his own away from the rest of the country, fine. Until he starts trying to ram that opinion down everybody's throat, he's fully entitled to it, and I can respect that he may very well have a valid reason for holding his views.

I dont see how we jumped from someone might have a problem with their mom's sexuality to "you've harangued and harrassed that poor woman and disrespected her and beat her with chains and whips and tied her to the bed and on and on." Alright I admit no one said anything after the disrespect part, but it was heading that way. So he won't be the happiest person in the world if his mom's gay...so what. Where does the implication that just because he or anyone doesn't like something that he's going to give her a hard time about it set in? I mean sure you people feel compelled to act cruelly towards whatever you might disagree with, but some of us have evolved beyond that level. I know I can disagree with an act or a way of life without being overly harsh to the practioner. I don't drink. I haven't had a drop in my life, and I think that drinking is wrong; I haven't seen many people who can control their drinking all the time either. I think this to the point that I wont allow alcohol into my house. Does this mean if a friend of mine wants to have a drink we're going to war, or if we're at work and a friend says "wanna beer man," I'm going to hop on the desk and thunder down upon him with a sermon condemming imbibery? Well I havent yet, and I doubt that I will in my lifetime. Drinking is my friends right, and while I dont agree with it, or like it, I wont intefere with him doing it in public or his home, and we aren't any less of friends for it.

All this bullshit about, "you dont agree with homosexuality so you must be a gay basher," is nothing more than Rosie O'Donnel Liberalism: "we're liberal and everything we say is liberal and if you say anything disagreeing with us then we're going to screw you worse than Joe McCarthy screwed Arthur Miller." Just ask Tom Selleck ...I'm all for gun regulation, but that little harangue she put on didn't help the cause one bit. Really, the postings on here speak for themselves the hypocrisy and idiocy of the posters: its ok to hold whatever opinion you want, and if you have an opinion different than us, then we're going to mail you death threats. What this mockery of free speech boils down to is that someone doesn't agree with a lifestyle, so you're going to kill them for it...whos more tolerant here.

PS to Darkstaff: if you dont have a linux installation I suggest you get a set of network cards and do a search for +trinux +installs...something tells me you're going to need guns and a firewall before this is through.

 

[Siren]

Well I just have to reply to this last posting....

 

[Guest]

Trubador. J, Darkstaff, whatever.
If you're going to post as a guest, you should try and not be so obvious about being the same person.

1. You have the same beliefs.
2. You have the same writing style, like having paragraphs of up to 21 sentences.
3. Trubador. J has never posted to this board before.
4. The one day Darkstaff doesn't post Trubador. J does.
5. You're the only one who believes the crappola about his ISP being attacked.
6. 'Both' of your posts are riddled with spelling errors, 'both' of you spell interfere as 'intefere' and don't as 'dont'.

Gee, that nose is still growing.

 

[Siren]

Interesting observation Gymble....

 

[Guest]

She said, "Hey senorita. That astute." I said,
"Why don't we get together and call ourselves an institute?"
You don't feel you could love me,
But I feeeel you could.

 

[Sammyjo]

Well, well, well...

Darkstaff...I just want to say this...you already knew what you felt prior to posting this. I believe you may have done so in order to get a rise out of some people, and it worked. It IS your place, if you don't want someone there, by all means, ask them to leave. If it bothers you that much, ask your mother. If you can't outright ask her, say something like "I just found out 'Susan' was a lesbian. What are your views on this?" or something to that effect. Communication is the key to every relationship.

I hope things all work out for you.

 

[Juspar Emvan]

Hey Darkstaff, hope you're comming to terms with the issue, it can't be easy for you.

I personally would have no problem with it but you obviously do. I think you came here looking for support, unfortunately some of what you've said and the way you have reacted has got some backs up. On top of that, this isn't really the right place to find fellow homophobics.

Don't get me wrong with any of this post, at no point do I want to come accross sarcastic, I honestly see your dilema.

The last post suggested you start talking to your mum, I think that's your best course of action - right now you may very well be getting yourself all bunched up over nothing.

As far as dealing with it if you are right, I think you answered your own question. Respect her rights but don't feel obligated to share them or have her discuss them with you. If you show her respect for her choice, I'm sure she can show you respect by not discussing it. You are however faced with the problem of her 'visitors'. I don't know the housing situation, but you do live with her, so you are likely to see anyone who visits. I get the impression that as long as they don't shove thier feminist liberalism (is that how you would say it?) down your throat you can live with them. That shouldn't be too hard to arrange.

I do disagree with your objection to homosexuality, and I disagree with your belief that you are entitled to know details about your mothers life. I hope, however, that I have addressed your original post with compasion and honesty that you can respect.

 

[Guest]

Spectacle. Looks more like a drawn out car wreck in front of a witch burning ceremony

Gymble your logic is impeccable, unless you have higher than a second grade education (*checks for HS diploma and Bachelor’s Degree*). Oh wait I do have higher than a second grade education. Oh well I guess I’ll just call a spade a spade then: dude you’re a fucking moron.

1.You have the same beliefs. (No we don’t agree with you. Some people are objective and have common sense.)

2. You have the same writing style, like having paragraphs of up to 21 sentences. (Wouldn’t be the first person to be long winded. You know the guy who wrote the first five books of the bible, Moses, was pretty long winded. With such logic, I think we can deduce that Darkstaff must actually be him!)

3. Trubador. J has never posted to this board before. (Oh of course, and we see you here all the time. Come to think of it I haven’t seen you here before either. This is actually the silliest reason on here. Considering how you just popped up the moment everyone’s postings were revealed to be asinine bullshit, as a guest, I tend to think you have a bit more at stake than you let on. If someone here claims to have been dosed, exactly how would you know one way or the other: are you a Literotica board admin or the guy who actually did it: cause that’s the only way you could know for sure And if someone here claims to have received threats, exactly who are you to claim otherwise. I think you posted on here as a guest cause it would seem REAL silly if someone who was registered came on here and said “Blah blah didn’t happen,” as opposed to “I didn’t do it.” Denial in such a manner would imply guilt: suddenly it would become really clear that quite a few people were talking out of their ass, and you self proclaimed intellectuals couldn’t have that could you. )

4. The one day Darkstaff doesn't post Trubador. J does. (And you know how often someone posts and where? Yet you can’t seem to figure out that Clark Kent is never around when Superman is. In law they call this sort of reasoning “circumstantial evidence” Similar to arresting someone for murder with your only proof being “well when he went on an European vacation for 2 weeks the murders stop,” that wont hold up to a court of law OR common sense. You could have saved a lot of bandwidth by grouping 3 and 4 together.)


5. You're the only one who believes the crappola about his ISP being attacked. (Apparently the shit you don’t know about networking could fill 6 warehouses, 2 destroyers, and a Galaxy Class Starship. It is VERY possible for someone to find out if their ISP is being DOSed…especially if the provider only serves 1-2000 people)

6. 'Both' of your posts are riddled with spelling errors, 'both' of you spell interfere as 'intefere' and don't as 'dont'. (Some words are commonly misspelled, like Wednesday. Personally I never bother to put the apostrophe in don’t either…it just takes extra time and people know what I mean. I don’t know many people who sweat grammar on a message board. PS as long as we’re splitting hairs crappola isn’t even a WORD)


I know this may shock the hell out of you geniuses completely, especially you Gymble (Creamy Lady, Siren, who knows?) who seems to take such pride in your armchair police writing analyst skills, but two major message boards (Excite and Lycos) are going down and moving, so yeah I probably wouldn’t be surprised to see a giant influx of new faces in the next two weeks. I cant speak for every Excite/Lycos poster, but I know after witnessing this fiasco I and my friends have no intention of registering here…there are websites with better erotica, better pictures, and way more balanced message boards (where the posters and the administrators have common sense). Take your medicine…no one’s masquerading as anyone on here. The collective revulsion amongst lurkers caused by the double-talk on here is very real, and me, Darkstaff, Troubadour, or the man in the moon couldn’t have less to do with it . You showed your ass to the tourists and now that people are flinging souvenirs in disgust you wanna scapegoat and bitch about “oh Darkstaff this and Darkstaff that.” Darkstaff my ass, if he had any sense he came up with a plan and is long gone by now. Shit were I him I wouldn’t be wasting my time on here posting under different names just to argue with you PMSLiberNazis, especially ones with such outstanding powers of reasoning (warning: that last clause was heavy on the sarcasm).With the collective IQ in here tipping the scales at a mind boggling 2.5, I would expect such flawed reasoning. Such “astute” (if you’re going to be sarcastic then you put the words in double quotes or asterisks, not single) reasoning proves you have exactly what it takes to be a member of the LAPD, where the only requirements are that you be a wanton murder and too inept to find your own zipper in the dark.

To Darkstaff: You quite possibly have a legal issue on your hands. I notice your email is hidden, as is your IP. Apparently you need an administrative password to access either. For someone to attempt to DOS your ISP requires one of 3 things to have happened:

1) Someone hacked an administrative password
2) An Admin gave out your IP and let a poster have at it
3) An Admin did it themselves.

Alright, as I commented before, looking at the intelligence level and the caliber of responses posted here, I’d have to say that with the exception of that Troubadour fellow, the collective IQ here isn’t enough to figure out how to scratch their own asses or warm hot piss, let alone hash an encrypted password or engineer it out of anyone (other than a blowjob, but considering the speed with which you claim this was done, I’d rule that out), so 1 is definitely out. That leaves 2 and 3…either one is clearly illegal, despite what any one of these self made lawyers, toilet seat system administrators who frequent here or Literotica may say about being free of liability.

So here are your options: Personally I’d put a firewall up…a 486 DX will work fine and a Trinux install can be done out of RAM (www.opensec.net)…it isn’t unbeatable, but it will put a stop to script kiddies bombing you (and you alone…it wont help the rest of your ISP or you if the whole service goes down) off line. Now being purely objective I seriously doubt anyone here did it; even small ISP’s are large targets for script kiddies/crackers. Just cause you posted something and then your connection had problems, and then you received threats in your email doesn’t necessarily mean they stem back from this site. In all fairness it could have been anyone from anywhere for any reason, and I don’t know who sent you the threats…I assume that its much more likely that someone here perpetrated that, so we still have a problem of password confidentiality. Just to be on the safe side though, I’d have a long talk with your system administrator, and if I were him I’d have a long talk with whoever admins Literotica.com and said message boards. If they have any sense (Puah, yeah right, were that the case we wouldn’t be here now) they’ll have a short talk with the ISP of the admin or poster who was behind this, and if the ISP is worth their salt, they’ll kill their connection.

As for all the posters suddenly going, “Oh we’re being misunderstood completely,” and “oh we’re just expressing our opinions.” Please. I wouldn’t waste my time. There are about 4 pages of asinine postings on here, and as much as I disagree with Dark’s views, not a one of them belongs to him. Troubadour I hear you completely: I too want to know how the assumption that disrespect and hate automatically follow from a disapproval of lifestyle? As far as that goes, that was a fantasy you people created in a contest to see who could come up with the most Springer-esque insults. “Oh you’ve put that woman through hell, oh you talk about that woman so bad, oh its so apparent you hate that woman so much, pity she didn’t turn gay sooner. Oh you idiot, moron, pig…blah blah blah” Well be proud people, me and about 20 other lurkers from the soon to be defunct Excite Web Boards think you have AT MOST the intelligence level of Springer guests, so you must be doing something right.

As for all the people (especially Thumper and SammyJo) who are getting off and feeling all warm and fuzzy because they think that the demagoguery and petty slander they’ve displayed is actually representing ANY view that rational reasonable homosexuals hold…let me set your minds at ease; your “defense” of gay people is about as effective against possible bigots (of who Mr. Staff seems the least of compared to you) and furthering gay rights as dragging a white man down the streets of Harlem behind a chevy is against racists and furthering minority rights. From reading ANY of your postings, how is one supposed to discern how to be straight and yet accept homosexuals into their life. Sounds to me like if you aren’t two steps from being gay yourself you’re a horrible person. As a minority, I can tell you right now that this is NOT what rights for anyone are about. Yeah, I want people to respect me, and accept who I am…that’s all I want from anyone about anything. I don’t WANT to make everyone think I’m right, nor do I care to. Why should I? As long as they’re being civil about it their views on morality pretty much belong to them. If they don’t think I’m the best person in the world, then too bad for them…its their loss. As long as I’m getting equal time though I could care less. Fighting for rights for any minority is about fighting to get them the same respect as any other human being. Hating or slandering someone because they aren’t on the bandwagon of popular opinion in no way achieves this goal. I know several people who are following this post as well, and we don’t feel vindicated in the least in your message boards ability to generate little more than what amounts to a witch-hunt (Anyone who posts who doesn’t agree with us is Darkstaff) in the name of popularity and psuedo-morality. 95% of the goddamned responses didn’t even pertain to the question. Thumper provides the best example of this. (Actually terrasfannin was the best example…bitching about the lack of respect he showed his mother. In WHAT posting exactly did he imply that he despised or disrespected his mother? Thumper just posted dumber messages more often.) Ah yes, question: “How should I deal with my mom being gay?” Answer: “Your mom should have finished her abortion.” What? And the relation between the question and the answer is? Gee Thumper, who needs a picture? Your response sounds like something a stoner would say. Even first graders (well few first graders now days…considering the rate at which you all seem to be breeding) know that an answer should pertain to the question asked, not the question you would have liked to have been asked or whatever the hell you think sounds cool. As for your job requiring you to stay clean and this that…and what the hell does that have to do with the price of Tea in China. I’ve worked at jobs where the official policy was to stay clean, hell I’ve worked at jobs where the common sense would have told you to stay sober. That didn’t stop people from coming into work half sloshed and running forklifts into the wall, or getting on the server and taking down half the network. You want to make assumptions based on what you think people should think as compared to you; don’t get your nuts in a bunch when people make assumptions based on actual reasonable observation.

The same goes for the rest of you bitching about “oh we’re misunderstood.” Hey, you posted, and not all of us are so addled with sex and drugs as to not understand what we read…you want to be understood better I suggest you go take some grammar lessons and write down what you REALLY meant to say, so that we can be even clearer when going “those sex crazed hypocrites!” As it is right now you sound like a bunch of witch hunting Nazis, and if I had to chose between associating with you or the likes of Darkstaff, I really have to go with the latter. Were I gay, I feel that he’d have no problem going to the show, having me over for dinner, coming over to my house to talk about business or pleasure, or discuss openly about my lifestyle, so long as I don’t ask him to convert. On the other hand, I get the feeling that if I disagree with any of you cro-mangons about anything as trivial as what toilet paper is softest, I run serious risk of being tarred, feathered, castrated, burned, tied to a Dodge Viper and dragged a hundred miles over rusty razors all in the name of liberalism and/or rights for whatever group you CLAIM to be slavishly defending this week.

 

[Guest]

PS: As to why there are apostrophes in all my donts when I expressely said I generally dont do that: I did the posting in word. You conspiracy theorists and writing "xperts" can rest easy...I'm not the Darkstaff witch. Pity the fools

 

[CreamyLady]

I'll admit my IQ won't get me into Mensa, but I have to ask: where in all that ranting did I question the identity of Darkstaff and/or Trubador J? I don't think I posted about anything except the initial issue, and a statement that I thought it was time for Darkstaff to chill.

(Added after a fourth reading):

Oh, TheSantanovaKid thought that maybe I was Gymble. It took me quite a while to understand what he was writing. People in glass houses, etc.

For the record, I don't troll.

This is so beyond stupid, and I know the end is nowhere in sight.

[Edited by CreamyLady on 02-05-2001 at 11:29 AM]

 

[Thumper]

LMAO

At least I am in good company (Sammy Jo and others)

It wasn't an answer to his question....

I was insulting him...as in "He is an unfinished abortion"

Musta been in the grammar or syntax somewhere....

As for my job I get tested regularly and if I have an accident I get tested immediately...

He got nasty first...Nyaaah!

[Edited by Thumper on 02-05-2001 at 11:28 AM]

 

[Closet Desire]

Wow...

...that's the most impressive gibberish I've ever read. I give up...he/she/it wins!

Ooops...gotta go...I think I hear my mommy calling...