Lesbians mad at straight feminists over rape issue

[RjThoughts]

Yet somehow it's OK to blame the victim in other settings? If you park your car in the middle of east Cleveland, is it not your own fault it got jacked? Sometimes the victim is at fault. Besides, victim-blame is as old as blame itself.

It's NEVER the victims fault when it comes to rape. If you believe otherwise, you've never had someone you know been a victim, you have no empathy.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

yet you claim to be a victim of the economy. with your pretty soft little hand out waiting for strangers to give you money. have you no shame?

It's NEVER the victims fault when it comes to rape. If you believe otherwise, you've never had someone you know been a victim, you have no empathy.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

It's NEVER the victims fault when it comes to rape. If you believe otherwise, you've never had someone you know been a victim, you have no empathy.

I know people who have been raped. As a matter of fact, I do. And guess what? All were overpowered. All of them could not escape their rapists. And all of them were female.

A man generally has the strength to escape a situation like that. As such, is it his fault if he doesn't? You say no. I say it's irrelevant. Because fault or no, it's his responsibility to prevent it. Just as it's my responsibility not to park my car in east Cleveland. So I can hold a man responsible without flat-out victim-blaming.

Furthermore, when the question is, "What can we do to stop this from happening again?" when the victim is a man, he can stop it. When the victim is a woman, she is far less likely to be able to stop it. And you know what an ounce of prevention is.

Furthermore, once again, it still sounds to me like looking for a woman who raped a man (an ADULT man, not a child - fuck child abusers of all kinds right in the ear, and that is far from a male problem) is nothing more than unicorn hunting.

 

[RjThoughts]

I know people who have been raped. As a matter of fact, I do. And guess what? All were overpowered. All of them could not escape their rapists. And all of them were female.

A man generally has the strength to escape a situation like that. As such, is it his fault if he doesn't? You say no. I say it's irrelevant. Because fault or no, it's his responsibility to prevent it. Just as it's my responsibility not to park my car in east Cleveland. So I can hold a man responsible without flat-out victim-blaming.

Furthermore, when the question is, "What can we do to stop this from happening again?" when the victim is a man, he can stop it. When the victim is a woman, she is far less likely to be able to stop it. And you know what an ounce of prevention is.

Furthermore, once again, it still sounds to me like looking for a woman who raped a man (an ADULT man, not a child - fuck child abusers of all kinds right in the ear, and that is far from a male problem) is nothing more than unicorn hunting.

You do not need to be overpowered to be raped. Again, once more, and for further edification:

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE OVERPOWERED TO BE RAPED.

Ignorance, willfully, is showing again, once more!

 

[NeverEndingMe]

yet you rape your neighbors with your acceptance of welfare

You do not need to be overpowered to be raped. Again, once more, and for further edification:

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE OVERPOWERED TO BE RAPED.

Ignorance, willfully, is showing again, once more!

 

[RjThoughts]

Fuck off Jen! This subject is not to be a total asshole!

 

[Boxlicker101]

I know people who have been raped. As a matter of fact, I do. And guess what? All were overpowered. All of them could not escape their rapists. And all of them were female.

A man generally has the strength to escape a situation like that. As such, is it his fault if he doesn't? You say no. I say it's irrelevant. Because fault or no, it's his responsibility to prevent it. Just as it's my responsibility not to park my car in east Cleveland. So I can hold a man responsible without flat-out victim-blaming.

Furthermore, when the question is, "What can we do to stop this from happening again?" when the victim is a man, he can stop it. When the victim is a woman, she is far less likely to be able to stop it. And you know what an ounce of prevention is.

Furthermore, once again, it still sounds to me like looking for a woman who raped a man (an ADULT man, not a child - fuck child abusers of all kinds right in the ear, and that is far from a male problem) is nothing more than unicorn hunting.

Here is a report of a woman forcibly raping a man. http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=9506931#page:showThread,9506931

It is rather rare, although I suspect it is hardly ever reported because of the man being so embarrassed.

 

[FGB]

No, no, no, no. Women don't rape men. It's impossible. And to be frank, if a man told me a woman raped him, I wouldn't give a fraction of a fuck even if it were true. Frankly, I'm appalled that you would - you're supposed to be on the woman's side.

The fact is, if there were effective punishment and deterrence for all instance of rape on women or children, the problem would be solved. There is no crisis of women raping men. There is not.

I'm going to have to go with BBS on this one.

I found myself once long ago in a position to have to either do serious bodily injury to a young woman or give in and fuck her.

True, I would have probably fucked her anyway later on... but I had only known her for about an hour and a half and I like to be asked by a strange woman at least!

 

[TheLM]

The whole "men can't be raped" thing is an actual part of neo-feminism, and is one of the reasons that I don't align myself with that label.

Equality is equality, and *anyone* can rape if they are so physically able, which women inherently are.

 

[badbabysitter]

it's horrible to think that people like MrRandy actually exist outside of caricature

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

A woman ties up a guy and fucks him in the ass against his will with a strapon......in your world , this is not rape

a woman gets a guy drunk and starts grabbing at him, and fondling him, and coercing him to perform sexual acts he does not want to do... in your world, this is not rape

a woman fucks a 13 year old boy who is confused and frightened as to what is happening.... you would not consider this rape.... but I'm guessing you would if it was a man doing it to a 13 year old girl

you sir, are part of the problem

No, dear. What usually happens is the gal seduces a guy for her bisexual lover who then sodomizes the guy after she drugs the man.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

but you are, to those that have jobs and pay for their own way of life...with out collecting welfare.

get off welfare, stop being an asshole

Fuck off Jen! This subject is not to be a total asshole!

 

[MrRandyWatson]

I'm going to have to go with BBS on this one.

I found myself once long ago in a position to have to either do serious bodily injury to a young woman or give in and fuck her.

True, I would have probably fucked her anyway later on... but I had only known her for about an hour and a half and I like to be asked by a strange woman at least!

You're not helping your cause. The whole "Well, I would have fucked her anyway" is a big part of why the idea of "men can be raped by women" is impossible to take seriously. We already have enough morons that say "Well, she wanted it; look at the way she was dressed!" Multiply that times men being perceived as willing to fuck anything with two legs and a vagina - and not being so picky about the "two legs" part - and you understand why people like me exist.

For the record, I am not a neo-feminist. I do believe in equality for the most part. I judge people by their actions, not their inherent characteristics. And the actions above are a big part of why I've concluded that "she raped him" doesn't make sense.

But then again, I'm also a huge cynic and I also hate just about everyone on the planet.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Here is a report of a woman forcibly raping a man. http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=9506931#page:showThread,9506931

It is rather rare, although I suspect it is hardly ever reported because of the man being so embarrassed.

I took a look at the article. It was very hard to digest. Furthermore, it appeared that there was alcohol or drugs involved. Alcohol and drugs are WAY different from brute force. That's if the story is true at all - I'm not familiar with the source and it didn't look well-put-together.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I took a look at the article. It was very hard to digest. Furthermore, it appeared that there was alcohol or drugs involved. Alcohol and drugs are WAY different from brute force. That's if the story is true at all - I'm not familiar with the source and it didn't look well-put-together.

What difference would it make it the rapist plied the victim with drugs and/or alcohol or used brute force?
You seem to imply that drugging someone or getting them so drunk that they are unable to resist is somehow better than just physically forcing them to have sex.

The sex of the rapist is irrelevant. It could just as easily be a man raping another man, a woman another woman, a man raping a woman, or a woman a man. The method of coercion doesn't matter either.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

What difference would it make it the rapist plied the victim with drugs and/or alcohol or used brute force?
You seem to imply that drugging someone or getting them so drunk that they are unable to resist is somehow better than just physically forcing them to have sex.

The sex of the rapist is irrelevant. It could just as easily be a man raping another man, a woman another woman, a man raping a woman, or a woman a man. The method of coercion doesn't matter either.

It didn't look like he was drugged. It looked like he took the drug (in this case, wine) willingly. Therefore, if this poorly-written story is accurate, she was at fault for the action and he was responsible for not putting himself in that situation. Just like if I park my car in east Cleveland, the carjackers are responsible for stealing it and I am responsible for not putting myself in that situation.

 

[badbabysitter]

It didn't look like he was drugged. It looked like he took the drug (in this case, wine) willingly. Therefore, if this poorly-written story is accurate, she was at fault for the action and he was responsible for not putting himself in that situation. Just like if I park my car in east Cleveland, the carjackers are responsible for stealing it and I am responsible for not putting myself in that situation.

He is not responsible for being raped

stop blaming the victim


if I went to a bar and had a few drinks and am then raped.. am I responsible for it?

the answer is no

just as it was with the guy that was assualted

stop blaming the victim

 

[MrRandyWatson]

He is not responsible for being raped

stop blaming the victim


if I went to a bar and had a few drinks and am then raped.. am I responsible for it?

the answer is no

just as it was with the guy that was assualted

stop blaming the victim

He is responsible for being in a situation that led to his rape and had a strong probability of doing so. Just as you would be. Is it your fault it happened? Of course not. But blame is assigning fault. Responsibility is for the protection of oneself. Responsibility is asking, "How can I stop this from happening to me?" Because guess what? Some people are fuckwads. And part of life is learning how not to be taken advantage of by fuckwads.

And it's not just rape. If a person emails me claiming to be from Nigeria and needing to hide a large stash of money, he's to blame for being a fuckwad. However, it's my responsibility not to be taken advantage of.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If you park your car in the middle of east Cleveland, is it not your own fault it got jacked?

No, it is not.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

No, it is not.

And is it your responsibility not to park your car where there's a strong chance it gets stolen? Yes, yes it is.

 

[dan_c00000]

quick translation:

stop listening to bitches if they get raped

Alternate translation Rush hates women

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lyY3DPzXF_s/T1IiX5LD5vI/AAAAAAAALcc/3_f2Ye9mJiI/s640/Limbaugh-V.jpg

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Alternate translation Rush hates women

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lyY3DPzXF_s/T1IiX5LD5vI/AAAAAAAALcc/3_f2Ye9mJiI/s640/Limbaugh-V.jpg

Careful with that pic; Fred Flintstone might sue for defamation.

 

[RjThoughts]

He is responsible for being in a situation that led to his rape and had a strong probability of doing so. Just as you would be. Is it your fault it happened? Of course not. But blame is assigning fault. Responsibility is for the protection of oneself. Responsibility is asking, "How can I stop this from happening to me?" Because guess what? Some people are fuckwads. And part of life is learning how not to be taken advantage of by fuckwads.

And it's not just rape. If a person emails me claiming to be from Nigeria and needing to hide a large stash of money, he's to blame for being a fuckwad. However, it's my responsibility not to be taken advantage of.

So, let me get this straight: If a woman is raped, it's not her fault, but if a man, in the same situation is, it's totally his fault and he's not a real man.


Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

So, let me get this straight: If a woman is raped, it's not her fault, but if a man, in the same situation is, it's totally his fault and he's not a real man.


Thanks for clearing that up.

That sound you heard was my words screaming from being twisted.

Neither is at fault. Both are responsible for not being in a bad situation. And men rape women all the time. Women don't rape men anywhere near enough, if at all, for be to waste my time giving a hot fuck about. Like I said, I'll worry about the odd fart in the room when the big pile of shit is cleaned up.

 

[RjThoughts]

That sound you heard was my words screaming from being twisted.

Neither is at fault. Both are responsible for not being in a bad situation. And men rape women all the time. Women don't rape men anywhere near enough, if at all, for be to waste my time giving a hot fuck about. Like I said, I'll worry about the odd fart in the room when the big pile of shit is cleaned up.

So, like when a woman goes to a bar with a male friend she's know for years and ends up being raped, it's her fault for being in the wrong situation?

Women rape men, it doesn't matter how you like to change your dialogue. The numbers are inconsequential: The fact is women rape men.