Lesbians vs Male Gays

[ABSTRUSE]

Every time I look at the title of this thread, it makes me think of a marquee for a wrestling match.

"And in this corner wearing the flannel shirt and shorts,weighing in at 198lbs, Brunella the Bike Dyke.......and her opponent in the chartruese shirt and Khakis, weighing in at 150lbs, Ken the Model....."

 

[sweetnpetite]

I agree with this.

Women's freindships (especially close ones) are always a little on the egde of 'gay' Maybe that's why many women are encouraged to think of other women as 'the enemy' the you-know-who don't want us all to get *too* friendly.

A woman will say to a female friend "I'd fuck you" to tell her she looks good, or 'you look really hot in that' stuff that guy friends would never say to each other.

Personally, I think any close relationship has sexual overtones of one form or another, which is also probably a reason why men tend to keep there friendships more distant. The closer you get with someone non-familial the blurier the line begins to get over what's 'freindly' and what's 'queer'

Women just don't tend to be quite as uptight about the lable.

(gernalizing, I know)

As pointed out, most of the lesbians you see here, are in fact either bisexual or just plain unashamedly flirty in general. And the most of the flirting you see going on, is not actual honest sexual interplay, or whatever that is called, but fun, social banter.

Take it from one who (check my bi bio ), given the right place and time, actually could flip you over for some fun n games: They're women, they are more prone to this banter in the first place. I don't pass off flirtatious remarks to men, because honestly, not even gay men seems to appreciate it. And I'm a guy. I'm more reserved about those kind of things.

Anyway, what you see here on the boards is mostly banter for laughs anyway. If I really mean to come on to you, I do so in private.

Want some PMs, hon?

#L

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Every time I look at the title of this thread, it makes me think of a marquee for a wrestling match...

'Zackly!!! My first thought, too!

 

[Ranefox]

I guess I could consider myself a 'token' lesbian here!!

Acceptance goes both ways...

Women have always relied upon each other for companionship....that's why it's so much more accepted for women to be more than just 'friends'...

Men, as a rule, haven't been raised with the same nurturing as women have...and that is a shame...

How unfortunate that men aren't able to 'be okay' with tight bonding relationships with other men...and I mean in a non-sexual way...

And how sad that we all relate to 'friendships' on the basis of sexual contact...

anybody who is not comfortable in their own skin will have difficulty relating to same sex affection...

and everbody is curious in some way of their own sexuality...until they find the comfort that they have been seeking...

Being open-minded about life and accepting others is what this world needs...

Being comfortable in our own skin lessens the threat to others...


Just MHO...

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I guess I could consider myself a 'token' lesbian here!!

As long as you're a virgin here, you're our victim first!

 

[cloudy]

I agree with Lucky and Lou.

I'm straight, as well. One very nice lesbian experience, but it's not something I seek out.

That said, there are ladies here that would definitely turn my head, and I wouldn't turn it down at all!

Woman are more social, and comfortable flirting with each other than men. Sad, but true.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I agree with Lucky and Lou.

I'm straight, as well. One very nice lesbian experience, but it's not something I seek out.

That said, there are ladies here that would definitely turn my head, and I wouldn't turn it down at all!

Woman are more social, and comfortable flirting with each other than men. Sad, but true.

Damn, I want you now!!!!!!!!

 

[cloudy]

Damn, I want you now!!!!!!!!

On my way...

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

... Men, as a rule, haven't been raised with the same nurturing as women have... How unfortunate that men aren't able to 'be okay' with tight bonding relationships with other men...

[ G A S P ! ]

You mean all those Buddy Movies were just some silly device of Hollywood's

But, No ... It's true!

I just can't see the Manager telling the Barkeeper, "You know, Biff, you look hot in your blue bar apron!"

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Personally, I think any close relationship has sexual overtones of one form or another, which is also probably a reason why men tend to keep there friendships more distant. The closer you get with someone non-familial the blurier the line begins to get over what's 'freindly' and what's 'queer'

I'm kind of surprised at this. All my life I've heard about how close guys are to each other while women's friendships are secondary to their romantic relationships. And I think the idea about being friends before you can be lovers is really a female idea. A man doesn't have to feel friendly towards a woman to have sex with her. A man doesn't even have to feel affection for her, which is something that women seem incapable of understanding.

Women are a lot more accepting of homosexual behavior. I think women really see sex as one extreme of a continuum of affection. Men can feel like that, but usually there's a disconnect. Sex is just not the same as close friendship, it's a different beast entirely, and women who think that two guys who are very close are repressed homosexuals just don't understand that.

---dr.M.

 

[SadieRose]

I don't actually think that women ARE more accepting of homosexual behaviour. I work with a 90/10% female to male ratio workforce and would not be comfortable telling most of the women I work alongside that I've been involved in lesbian relationships in the past.

I think that (among women) the tolerance of gay males is sometimes a maternal thing, they see an emasculated male, a symbolic image of the boy child that they want to keep as an eternal youth, but shy away from the realities of boi on boi fucking.

A smaller percentage of us do get turned on by the idea of two men TOGETHER *wriggles fingers* and a smaller percentage still, write about that!! *wink*

I know that women are more inclined to talk about their sex lives intimately with other women then they are with men. And certainly more than the men I work with are inclined to talk with their fellow men, (most M/M conversations being about work/music/a combination of the two). I think this comes from the more relaxed perspective we have of being the dominant force in the workplace (ie there are MORE of us!)

What I have noticed is that male customers are very cautious but will often flirt if I start it, which I frequently do, being an irrepressible tart! *LOL* C.D. is right that men feel awkward about flirtation, having been shoe-horned into a corner by legislation designed to protect women who have no idea how to stand up for themselves. It's amazing how guys will open up for a little bit of light hearted, flirty bantering.

You're such suckers! *chuckle*

 

[dr_mabeuse]

What I have noticed is that male customers are very cautious but will often flirt if I start it, which I frequently do, being an irrepressible tart! *LOL* C.D. is right that men feel awkward about flirtation, having been shoe-horned into a corner by legislation designed to protect women who have no idea how to stand up for themselves. It's amazing how guys will open up for a little bit of light hearted, flirty bantering.

You're such suckers! *chuckle*

If women knew how much men wanted sex, they'd probably run away screaming.

Oh, wait. They already do.

---dr.M.

 

[SadieRose]

'sactly!!! *wink*

 

[cheerful_deviant]

If women knew how much men wanted sex, they'd probably run away screaming.

Oh, wait. They already do.

---dr.M.

Oh good. I thought it was only me who got that kind of reaction. Glad to see I'm not alone.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Among other things, she said:

[How unfortunate that men aren't able to 'be okay' with tight bonding relationships with other men...and I mean in a non-sexual way...

Just MHO... [/B]

To some degree men can bond, but it has to be a common adversasary. This would especially apply to men who have served in combat together but it also to males who have played football or any other combative activity. It would also apply to firefighters and police and would probably apply to those who work together in competitive industries. The main thing is that there has to be a common enemy or the equivalent.

 

[Belegon]

I have an instant bond with anyone else who also hates the Oakland Raiders. Does that count?

 

[Ranefox]

ok, let's bond!! (another Oakland Raider-Hater!!)

I agree about certain groups of women especially if they share the same work force, and their opinion of gays/lesbians...

A girl friend I had throughout High school ditched me when she found out the rumors of a particular situation were true...

But that's the way it goes...I also agree re: women accepting gay men more readily than gay women...but, that also teeters along the lines of regarding same sex as bad...women won't/don't want to accept that another woman loves another woman...just as a man feels the same way...and this is all dependent upon how each individual feels about themselves..

If people were secure about their own sexuality/sensuality, then being gay/lesbian would not be the big deal that it is...especially in USA...

I would love to marry my wife and reap all of the benefits that union provides for a man/woman union...

Unfortunately, the current laws prevent this...so, even though we may buy a house together, there is no law to protect us if the other one should die...Oh, sure you say, get a lawyer, write up paperwork...

But that is my whole point...I should not have to do something different to be able to get the same things provided and accepted by a man/woman marriage...

Even common-law relationships have more legal power!

In California, possessions are split 50-50 in a common-law relationship...Hell, in a gay/lesbian relationship, the family will swoop in to claim whatever they feel is rightfully theirs...

Check out HBO's special: If walls could talk 2...you will find in the first segment the exact thing I'm talking about...

Hate is based on fear and ignorance...

Rane

 

[Guest]

I have an instant bond with anyone else who also hates the Oakland Raiders. Does that count?

Me, too! Me, too!

(My depth of hatred for the black and silver is even documented in a poem on Lit - "God, I Love Football!" Raider haters have commented favorably!)

Let's bond!

 

[ABSTRUSE]

ok, let's bond!! (another Oakland Raider-Hater!!)

I agree about certain groups of women especially if they share the same work force, and their opinion of gays/lesbians...

A girl friend I had throughout High school ditched me when she found out the rumors of a particular situation were true...

But that's the way it goes...I also agree re: women accepting gay men more readily than gay women...but, that also teeters along the lines of regarding same sex as bad...women won't/don't want to accept that another woman loves another woman...just as a man feels the same way...and this is all dependent upon how each individual feels about themselves..

If people were secure about their own sexuality/sensuality, then being gay/lesbian would not be the big deal that it is...especially in USA...

I would love to marry my wife and reap all of the benefits that union provides for a man/woman union...

Unfortunately, the current laws prevent this...so, even though we may buy a house together, there is no law to protect us if the other one should die...Oh, sure you say, get a lawyer, write up paperwork...

But that is my whole point...I should not have to do something different to be able to get the same things provided and accepted by a man/woman marriage...

Even common-law relationships have more legal power!

In California, possessions are split 50-50 in a common-law relationship...Hell, in a gay/lesbian relationship, the family will swoop in to claim whatever they feel is rightfully theirs...

Check out HBO's special: If walls could talk 2...you will find in the first segment the exact thing I'm talking about...

Hate is based on fear and ignorance...

Rane

I believe a lot of that will be changing, I have a friend who's girlfriend is sick with cancer and her place of employment allows her time to help take care of her SO.

I did see the HBO special, and that was the saddest story on there.
~A~

 

[cheerful_deviant]

ok, let's bond!! (another Oakland Raider-Hater!!)

I agree about certain groups of women especially if they share the same work force, and their opinion of gays/lesbians...

A girl friend I had throughout High school ditched me when she found out the rumors of a particular situation were true...

But that's the way it goes...I also agree re: women accepting gay men more readily than gay women...but, that also teeters along the lines of regarding same sex as bad...women won't/don't want to accept that another woman loves another woman...just as a man feels the same way...and this is all dependent upon how each individual feels about themselves..

If people were secure about their own sexuality/sensuality, then being gay/lesbian would not be the big deal that it is...especially in USA...

I would love to marry my wife and reap all of the benefits that union provides for a man/woman union...

Unfortunately, the current laws prevent this...so, even though we may buy a house together, there is no law to protect us if the other one should die...Oh, sure you say, get a lawyer, write up paperwork...

But that is my whole point...I should not have to do something different to be able to get the same things provided and accepted by a man/woman marriage...

Even common-law relationships have more legal power!

In California, possessions are split 50-50 in a common-law relationship...Hell, in a gay/lesbian relationship, the family will swoop in to claim whatever they feel is rightfully theirs...

Check out HBO's special: If walls could talk 2...you will find in the first segment the exact thing I'm talking about...

Hate is based on fear and ignorance...

Rane

It is a sad the way poeple dismiss the want's and needs of gay/lesbians in the US.

I live in Massachusetts where it has just become legal for same sex marriges to be performed. I think it is a huge step forward for equal rights but even now the legislature is looking for ways to shut it down.

I hope that now that the geine is out of the bottle so to speak, that the old school conservatives will find it too hard to put it back in immediatly. Once it has been out for a while people will start becoming more used to it and it may no longer be an issue.

I find that many of the conservatives who fear same sex marriges are of the older school or older generation. Many (but not all) of my friends who are closer to my age (29) have little or no problem with it.

With luck, as some of these fossils move on, the next generation of politicians will have better opinions. Change can be a very good thing.

 

[cloudy]

It is a sad the way poeple dismiss the want's and needs of gay/lesbians in the US.

I live in Massachusetts where it has just become legal for same sex marriges to be performed. I think it is a huge step forward for equal rights but even now the legislature is looking for ways to shut it down.

I hope that now that the geine is out of the bottle so to speak, that the old school conservatives will find it too hard to put it back in immediatly. Once it has been out for a while people will start becoming more used to it and it may no longer be an issue.

I find that many of the conservatives who fear same sex marriges are of the older school or older generation. Many (but not all) of my friends who are closer to my age (29) have little or no problem with it.

With luck, as some of these fossils move on, the next generation of politicians will have better opinions. Change can be a very good thing.

Hey!!!

Who're you calling a fossil???

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Hey, it's a proven tactic to reduce illiteracy. Educate the young and hope that the old die out fast.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

Hey!!!

Who're you calling a fossil???

Certianlly not you. Those buns are much to sexy to be a fossil.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

Hey, it's a proven tactic to reduce illiteracy. Educate the young and hope that the old die out fast.

Amen!

 

[Belegon]

I find it very interesting that the law the governor of Mass. is invoking to prevent "marriage tourism" was originally passed to have the same kind of dampening effect on mixed-race marriages.
One, it is just plain wrong. Two, what kind of economic impact is the state of Mass. passing up? I would consider this a great chance to bring income to my state. Three, if you are really that homophobic than let me point out that you are only encouraging those who feel it is important enough to become Mass. residents. Bwa-ha-ha! Best thing that could happen is for you to make some friends you really respect and then find out their sexual orientation after you have already decided you like them. Might provoke a little soul-searching.

Re: Raiders

Great thing to do when you meet someone who says they are a Raider fan. Stare at the outside corner of their eye for a minute and then say, "wow, that's a great job". When they are confused tell them you are talking about the tat removal for the prison teardrop. I mean, you have to do at least 2-5 yrs at state or federal pen to qualify as a real Raider fan, right?