Let's talk about fascism

[Rightguide]

Nationalist ones it looks like.

If you talked to them I doubt very much they believe in things like free market capitalism and individual liberty.

I bet they love a police state and government control, different package and sales pitch!

But the same fundamental behavior.

Just like all the other kinds lefties.

Precisely!

Nothing like a battle of wits with the unarmed, right?

 

[BotanyBoy]

3rd position fascism has been around for a long time, but no, that's not what they believe in. If you think they do, you're ignorant to reality.

Are you calling free market capitalism fascism? LOL

Look at the website on the banner and try to to tell me that they're lefties. I dare you to.

Looks like they want all sorts of government control....Good socialist.

You forget, I don't see LvR as a scale of how racist or offensive a group or ideology is like you.

I see L v R as government control v individual freedom, the more government control the further left.

 

[richard_daily]

Looks like they want all sorts of government control....Good socialist.

What government control do they want?

I see L v R as government control v individual freedom, the more government control the further left.

It's nice that you've invented your own definition of what left wing and right wing are, but there aren't too many people that will agree with you. Feel free to post proof that backs up your assertions though.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What government control do they want?

From what I can tell to hold white people in a superior legal standing .....which boils down to their economic standing. They are right, they are socialist.

It's nice that you've invented your own definition of what left wing and right wing are, but there aren't too many people that will agree with you.

I didn't invent my own definition of what left and right wing are.

Far more agree with me than you Mr. Soviet Russia and Red China are right wing......

When you get down to it on a fundamental level anyone not DESPERATE for maximum state control over everything agrees with me.

Feel free to post proof that backs up your assertions though.

I don't run errands, if you can't think beyond whatever dogmatic leftist "warm and fuzzy is left, big meanies are right!" bullshit you've been consuming I can't help you.

 

[richard_daily]

From what I can tell to hold white people in a superior legal standing .....which boils down to their economic standing. They are right, they are socialist.

Where is that on their site? Provide me with a quote...

I didn't invent my own definition of what left and right wing are.

You absolutely did. There is no basis in the established world for your definition of what left and right wing are. You refuse to post any evidence to back it up.

It's something you invented. There's no way to sugar coat that.

When you get down to it on a fundamental level anyone not DESPERATE for maximum state control over everything agrees with me.

Wrong. I don't believe in state control, and I disagree with you.

I don't run errands, if you can't think beyond whatever dogmatic leftist "warm and fuzzy is left, big meanies are right!" bullshit you've been consuming I can't help you.

So you're refusing to show where you get your definitions from. I can post the real definitions from you... from the dictionary, from political science textbooks, etc... are you willing to accept those definitions? Or will you continue to invent definitions based on what you feel?

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's something you invented. There's no way to sugar coat that.

No it's not.

Wrong. I don't believe in state control, and I disagree with you.

So you're not a lefty?

You don't think the government should be doing things to make some people more equal to "level the playing field"?

You don't believe in social services?

Since the fuck when??

So you're refusing to show where you get your definitions from. I can post the real definitions from you... from the dictionary, from political science textbooks, etc... are you willing to accept those definitions? Or will you continue to invent definitions based on what you feel?

Post em' up bubba!! I got Britannica and Merriam Websta and OED.

They all back me up...even on that whole Soviet Russia being left bit.

 

[richard_daily]

Post em' up bubba!! I got Britannica and Merriam Websta and OED.

They all back me up...even on that whole Soviet Russia being left bit.

You did?

Because here's Miriamm Websters actual definitions...


Definition of left wing

1
: the leftist division of a group (such as a political party)

2
: left 4a

left–wingplay \ˈleft-ˈwiŋ\ adjective
left–wingerplay \ˈleft-ˈwiŋ-ər\ noun


Definition of right wing

1
: the rightist division of a group or party

2
: right 8

right–wingplay \ˈrīt-ˈwiŋ, -ˌwiŋ\ adjective
right–wingerplay \ˈrīt-ˈwiŋ-ər, ˌrīt-\ noun




Definition of left

1
a : of, relating to, situated on, or being the side of the body in which the heart is mostly located her left legb : done with the left hand a left hook to the jawc : located nearer to the left hand than to the right a man's left chestd (1) : located on the left of an observer facing in the same direction as the object specified stage left the left arm of a chair (2) : located on the left when facing downstream the left bank of a river

2
often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the left especially in politics
this left government with a cabinet of moderate liberals — F. A. Magruder

often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics



Where did you actually get your definitions from?

 

[richard_daily]

No it's not.



So you're not a lefty?

You don't think the government should be doing things to make some people more equal to "level the playing field"?

You don't believe in social services?

Since the fuck when??



Post em' up bubba!! I got Britannica and Merriam Websta and OED.

They all back me up...even on that whole Soviet Russia being left bit.

Left-wing vs. Right-wing

In left-right politics, left-wing describes an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. It typically involves a concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished. In left-right politics, left-wing describes an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. It typically involves a concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.

https://www.boundless.com/political.../the-traditional-political-spectrum-133-4221/

The right is always the party sector associated with the interests of the upper or dominant classes, the left the sector expressive of the lower economic or social classes, and the centre that of the middle classes. Historically this criterion seems acceptable. The conservative right has defended entrenched prerogatives, privileges and powers; the left has attacked them. The right has been more favorable to the aristocratic position, to the hierarchy of birth or of wealth; the left has fought for the equalization of advantage or of opportunity, for the claims of the less advantaged. Defense and attack have met, under democratic conditions, not in the name of class but in the name of principle; but the opposing principles have broadly corresponded to the interests of the different classes.

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No where does it support your version of what left vs. right are in any text book I could find.

 

[Que]

Laughs.

The left is COLLECTIVISM.

The theory is that individuals will benefit from a society where no individual is more important than society.

That nonsense above is how collectivism is sold today but that's a rather recent marketing technique. Collectivism doesn't give a shit about anysinglebody disadvantaged or not.

 

[richard_daily]

Laughs.

The left is COLLECTIVISM.

The theory is that individuals will benefit from a society where no individual is more important than society.

That nonsense above is how collectivism is sold today but that's a rather recent marketing technique. Collectivism doesn't give a shit about anysinglebody disadvantaged or not.

No, that's not what Leftism is... The definitions I just posted say nothing about "collectivism".

Where do you get the idea that the left is about collectivism? Please leave anecdotal evidence out of this... and refrain from saying "common sense"...

Thanks.

 

[coachdb18]

No, that's not what Leftism is... The definitions I just posted say nothing about "collectivism".

Where do you get the idea that the left is about collectivism? Please leave anecdotal evidence out of this... and refrain from saying "common sense"...

Thanks.

Bernie Sanders is a 'socialist', arguably the most popular leftist, and an advocate for 95% taxation. At 95%, virtually everything you make is going to the government, and it is only giving you what it thinks you need... this is the very definition of a 'collective'.

You did?

Because here's Miriamm Websters actual definitions...


Definition of left wing

1
: the leftist division of a group (such as a political party)

2
: left 4a

left–wingplay \ˈleft-ˈwiŋ\ adjective
left–wingerplay \ˈleft-ˈwiŋ-ər\ noun


Definition of right wing

1
: the rightist division of a group or party

2
: right 8

right–wingplay \ˈrīt-ˈwiŋ, -ˌwiŋ\ adjective
right–wingerplay \ˈrīt-ˈwiŋ-ər, ˌrīt-\ noun




Definition of left

1
a : of, relating to, situated on, or being the side of the body in which the heart is mostly located her left legb : done with the left hand a left hook to the jawc : located nearer to the left hand than to the right a man's left chestd (1) : located on the left of an observer facing in the same direction as the object specified stage left the left arm of a chair (2) : located on the left when facing downstream the left bank of a river

2
often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the left especially in politics
this left government with a cabinet of moderate liberals — F. A. Magruder

often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics



Where did you actually get your definitions from?

http://i.imgur.com/a8zTme2.jpg

 

[Freudian_Slit]

Laughs.

The left is COLLECTIVISM.

The theory is that individuals will benefit from a society where no individual is more important than society.

That nonsense above is how collectivism is sold today but that's a rather recent marketing technique. Collectivism doesn't give a shit about anysinglebody disadvantaged or not.

No, it really isn't, dumb dumb.

If you want to mean collectivism when you say collectivism, then just say collectivism.

The terms political right and left have a much deeper history than you're pretending they do.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

Bernie Sanders is a 'socialist', arguably the most popular leftist, and an advocate for 95% taxation. At 95%, virtually everything you make is going to the government, and it is only giving you what it thinks you need... this is the very definition of a 'collective'.

Do you understand about marginal tax rates?

 

[BotanyBoy]

You did?

Because here's Miriamm Websters actual definitions...


Where did you actually get your definitions from?

I didn't say for Left and right wing, I thought you were talking about regulation and socialism.

*qutoe from your link*

In left-right politics, left-wing describes an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.

And guess how they do that politically?

socialism
NOUN

mass noun
1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism

And that is why socialism is considered left wing......







Want to take a guess at why those anarchist, libertarians and other free market capitalist out there are considered right wing? Your super lefty biased source beats around the bush but it doesn't want to say it, because chicken shits.


Max liberty/freedom and equality results in some people doing better and thus having more than others. Inequity.

This offends the leftist who think equity is equality and as such think it's the governments duty to come in and regulate some equity into society (enter socialism). Wealth redistribution, services, racist shit like Affirmative Action.

No where does it support your version of what left vs. right are in any text book I could find.

That's because you would need to think critically about what the textbooks all say to get where I'm at.

 

[richard_daily]

Do you understand about marginal tax rates?

He is scared that he's going to be taxed at 95%, because he has dreams that he'll someday be in that proposed tax bracket, which obviously, he won't ever be.

 

[richard_daily]

VERY good, now want to take a guess at why those anarchist, libertarians and other free market capitalist out there are considered right wing?

They aren't...

John Brown, the FAI/CNT, and the West Virginia Coal Wars all show that very very clearly.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They aren't...

John Brown, the FAI/CNT, and the West Virginia Coal Wars all show that very very clearly.

Being anti-RW government doesn't make you an anarchist.


NOUN

mass noun
1Belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/anarchism

Anarchism is absolutely antithetical to being left wing by your own definition of what left wing is.

Anarchism is social capitalism, free market social responsibility, it is the ULTIMATE right wing " fuck you I got mine" social structure. No government controls.

 

[Que]

He is scared that he's going to be taxed at 95%, because he has dreams that he'll someday be in that proposed tax bracket, which obviously, he won't ever be.

So, add basic morality and economics to the long list of subjects that you and Oreo fail to comprehend.

One doesn't have to be in a 95% tax bracket or assume that one might at one point be in that tax bracket to find such confiscatory taxation to be morally repugnant.

Leaving morality aside and assuming as you do above that a person would champion their own, enlightened self-interest (which is of course not necessarily a bad thing,) anyone with the economic sense that God gave an onion would understand what a devastating impact the economy would suffer should the government in attempts to enact such a scheme to remove vast sums of capital from productive use.

The only person who should be salivating over such a proposal would be tax lawyers and accountants who would make a killing.

Well, except for those of you anticipating profiting as a government functionary, the reciept of fat gov't contracts, or redistributed plunder.

 

[coachdb18]

He is scared that he's going to be taxed at 95%, because he has dreams that he'll someday be in that proposed tax bracket, which obviously, he won't ever be.

I'm rewarded by knowing that you're so connected with the IRS as to know your assessment of my tax burden, having never needed to determine nor have the faintest interest/clue as to who I am... which is to say you wish to tax everyone back to the stone age, never having a need to determine what the individuals need even is, nor show much interest in whether there is even a government need for that much money.

Perhaps a bit of history... during many centuries of Western development, the Catholic church was also essentially the government, and it imposed a tithe ... which is to say 10%... which was the total it needed for all church and government functions. This has been a tortured figure for many, who complained that the church got very rich, and imposed this heavy burden on all. Perhaps 10%, having been the figure for so long, is one we need to get back to, and 10% should be the maximum for all taxes paid by anyone. It could go into an escrow, and let the various levels of government (Federal, state, city, county, etc) fight for their respective share of it!

 

[oggbashan]

One doesn't have to be in a 95% tax bracket or assume that one might at one point be in that tax bracket to find such confiscatory taxation to be morally repugnant.

...

Successive UK governments have established that raising tax rates for higher earners is actually counterproductive because it reduces the income to the government.

The higher the tax rate, the more people will do, or pay others to, to manage their tax affairs to avoid the highest rate.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

So, add basic morality and economics to the long list of subjects that I fail to comprehend.

Pretty much.

You hoping for a belly rub from AJ today? You're gonna have to do better than that...

 

[richard_daily]

Being anti-RW government doesn't make you an anarchist.


NOUN

mass noun
1Belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/anarchism

Anarchism is absolutely antithetical to being left wing by your own definition of what left wing is.

Anarchism is social capitalism, free market social responsibility, it is the ULTIMATE right wing " fuck you I got mine" social structure. No government controls.

Nope, and nope. You posted the correct definition, but then added your own definition on top of it, that has nothing to do with the reality of the original definition.

 

[coachdb18]

Pretty much.

You hoping for a belly rub from AJ today? You're gonna have to do better than that...

Government as an entity is incapable of differentiating want from need... they just know the want it all. The very best government is the smallest government that meets the needs (not wants) of the people it is intended to serve.

 

[richard_daily]

Government as an entity is incapable of differentiating want from need... they just know the want it all.

Are you worried that you'll ever be rich?

Be honest.

 

[richard_daily]

Leaving morality aside and assuming as you do above that a person would champion their own, enlightened self-interest (which is of course not necessarily a bad thing,) anyone with the economic sense that God gave an onion would understand what a devastating impact the economy would suffer should the government in attempts to enact such a scheme to remove vast sums of capital from productive use.

So you do whatever the church tells you to do... I wonder what all of the kids who get molested by priests would say about your argument.