Looking at the US gun law debate another way...

[Ldy_Sea]

The source of these 'statistics', please?

I for one, don't believe them for a second. The NRA has form for some outrageous manipulation of statistics.

Sources are on the bottom of the pictures. None of them are from the NRA.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Sources are on the bottom of the pictures. None of them are from the NRA.

You do know that most of the folks in here really hate to hear facts. They would much rather believe in the nonsense, it makes for better soundbites.

 

[phrodeau]

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Boston bans guns the terrorists used a pressure cooker.

The Boston Marathon bombings killed three people.

You gave us so many statistics, but left that one out. Curious.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

The Boston Marathon bombings killed three people.

You gave us so many statistics, but left that one out. Curious.

it was pure dumb luck more weren't killed. If the backpack hadn't been noticed and people has still been standing around it more would have died.

 

[Comshaw]

The Boston Marathon bombings killed three people.

You gave us so many statistics, but left that one out. Curious.

One minor slip out of a huge amount of information presented. A bit of a red herring argument don't you think? Can you refute any part of, or the rest of the facts she presented? For my part, I need to read a bit and think on it before I'll even attempt to comment. Damn facts and logical people anyway! Makes my damned head hurt!



Comshaw

 

[BotanyBoy]

The source of these 'statistics', please?

I for one, don't believe them for a second. The NRA has form for some outrageous manipulation of statistics.

http://c1.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/BUYCQ_tCAAA0JYk.jpg-large.jpeg

The Boston Marathon bombings killed three people.

You gave us so many statistics, but left that one out. Curious.

Three to many, pressure cookers must be banned, if it saves just one life.

https://bigpinekey.com/wp-content/uploads/pressure-cooker-assault.jpg

 

[NeverEndingMe]

as long as we have someone like that obama in office protecting terrorist then we must have access to guns. Also, that obama wants to take away rights and make America into '1984'

screw that, only retards want a big and all encompassing government. government is where the retards work. we must get a new POTUS and make cut the federal government size by 40%

government is never the solution, government is the problem

wake up, you obama slaves.

 

[about_average]

The Senate sat on their hands again. Big surprise.

Maybe democrats should have been willing to place some reasonable checks and balances on the government no-fly and watch lists.

 

[phrodeau]

Maybe democrats should have been willing to place some reasonable checks and balances on the government no-fly and watch lists.

OK, that totally excuses allowing known terrorists to get semi-automatic weapons.

 

[BotanyBoy]

OK, that totally excuses allowing known terrorists to get semi-automatic weapons.

Now now they aren't terrorist they are cultural diversity icons and should be given the same rights as everyone else....

Don't be such a bigot.

 

[phrodeau]

Now now they aren't terrorist they are cultural diversity icons and should be given the same rights as everyone else....

Don't be such a bigot.

Is this according to somebody you know?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Is this according to somebody you know?

What?

Don't you think Muslims and all their rights should be protected?

Or are you one of those regressive bigots who thinks poor Muslims should be scrutinized and denied their Constitutional rights for simple things like cheering attacks against America and openly supporting hate groups like ISIS that have NOTHING to do with Islam, the religion of peace and greatest ideology ever??

 

[Tigersman]

The government banned private ownership of all imported weapons capable of firing on full auto with the 1986 Gun Owner Protection Act. But the private ownership of full auto weapons manufactured prior to May 19 1986 is now and has always been legal under the National Firearms Act of 1934. All those who owned these weapons prior to 1986 were grandfathered in. According to the BATFE machine guns (any firearm capable of firing more than one round with a single pull of the trigger)are Class III type 2 weapons and must be bought or sold through a Class III firearms dealer.

Even taking in what you just said a person can go online and obtain a full auto conversion kit for the non-Russian made AK47 and the AR-15. I easily found these parts just minutes ago.

I remember when these laws were passed. Not too long afterwards one of the magazine shows like 60 minutes sent out a reporter to a gun show to see if he could find and buy a conversion kit for the Russian made AK 47. The reporter succeeded in purchasing one of these kits which had detailed, easy to follow instructions.

 

[Tigersman]

Because abortion is murder of a child while a firearm is an inanimate object with multiple legitimate uses. Also, sex specific legislation is unconstitutional.

The Bushmaster AR-15 has a new use. A nurse who lives in Florida was raped back in May while walking home from work. When she took a pregnancy test it came up positive. Due to Florida law she was unable to get an abortion but was able to purchase a Bushmaster AR-15 plus an Ubort kit. Now she isn't longer pregnant. I found this story on Yahoo.

 

[Tigersman]

I'm game. What are the legitimate uses of rapid-fire assault weapons in civilian hands? If you come back with sports or home defense, you get a horse laugh.

Eliminating both the House and Senate thus saving the taxpayer over $565 million per year minimum.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Even taking in what you just said a person can go online and obtain a full auto conversion kit for the non-Russian made AK47 and the AR-15. I easily found these parts just minutes ago.

I remember when these laws were passed. Not too long afterwards one of the magazine shows like 60 minutes sent out a reporter to a gun show to see if he could find and buy a conversion kit for the Russian made AK 47. The reporter succeeded in purchasing one of these kits which had detailed, easy to follow instructions.

As far as I know it is not illegal to buy these kits. It is only illegal if you install one into a firearm without the proper license.

In other words, law abiding citizens won't do it, anyone who does is a criminal and should be prosecuted. Too bad most people who break firearms laws don't get prosecuted.

 

[sr71plt]

Eliminating both the House and Senate thus saving the taxpayer over $565 million per year minimum.

And costing more money and grief in trying to put in what would replace the House/Senate system. Not really a brilliant idea, I don't think. I hope you're not running for a political position. You don't seem to be suited for making society function.

 

[JackLuis]

Eliminating both the House and Senate thus saving the taxpayer over $565 million per year minimum.

Hell, we spend that in a month in Afghanistan. Bring the troops home and let the fucking Afghans deal with it! Haven't we given them enough Democracy?

 

[about_average]

OK, that totally excuses allowing known terrorists to get semi-automatic weapons.

Not everyone on the lists is a terrorist. In fact, I'd be willing to bet many of the people on the lists aren't even likely terrorists.

Unfortunately we'll never know though since it's currently not possible for the public to know who's on the lists. In fact it's not even possible for individuals to find out AFAIK.
It used to be, back in 2007, but http://nofly.s3.com/ appears to not even be working anymore.

It's just fucked up.
In 2007 Mujahid Shaykh wasn't on the no-fly list, even though he was on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists web site.

Then there's the fact that the Feds use predictive assessment to add people to the no-fly list and the fact there are no checks and balances even when people are added.
Even Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list. He should have only been on a no-pilot list.

Whether you agree with them or not, SCOTUS has ruled that the Constitution recognizes that a citizen has the right to own firearms. How many constitutional rights should be allowed to be taken from an individual who hasn't even been charged with a crime, much less convicted?

 

[phrodeau]

Not everyone on the lists is a terrorist. In fact, I'd be willing to bet many of the people on the lists aren't even likely terrorists.

Unfortunately we'll never know though since it's currently not possible for the public to know who's on the lists. In fact it's not even possible for individuals to find out AFAIK.
It used to be, back in 2007, but http://nofly.s3.com/ appears to not even be working anymore.

It's just fucked up.
In 2007 Mujahid Shaykh wasn't on the no-fly list, even though he was on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists web site.

Then there's the fact that the Feds use predictive assessment to add people to the no-fly list and the fact there are no checks and balances even when people are added.
Even Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list. He should have only been on a no-pilot list.

Whether you agree with them or not, SCOTUS has ruled that the Constitution recognizes that a citizen has the right to own firearms. How many constitutional rights should be allowed to be taken from an individual who hasn't even been charged with a crime, much less convicted?

There is no Constitutional right to own semi-automatic weapons. Paul Ryan says it's in the Bible, but can't quote the verse.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

OK, that totally excuses allowing known terrorists to get semi-automatic weapons.

you do take stupidity to new levels of insanity

 

[Ldy_Sea]

OK, that totally excuses allowing known terrorists to get semi-automatic weapons.

The Terror Watch List and No Fly List are rife with problems. There is no way to know if you are on the lists, and no way to get off them.

Since the creation of these lists only 1 person was able to get their name of the list. It cost tens of thousands of dollars and years of court battles. the average American can't do that.

These lists include children as young as 6 months old, US Senators including Sen Ted Kennedy when he was alive, Police Officers, Actors, and at lest one 103 year old woman.

Even the Anti-Gun ACLU says using this lists to regulate guns is wrong.

Even the ACLU says the watch lists are the wrong way to regulate guns
https://www.aclu.org/blog/washingto...fair-watchlists-not-way-regulate-guns-america

When the NRA and ACLU agree that passin a law is a bad idea, why would anyone support it?

 

[sr71plt]

The Terror Watch List and No Fly List are rife with problems. There is no way to know if you are on the lists, and no way to get off them.

I agree with you on this. And I think it's approaching the issue at the wrong point, but with Republican intransigence in Congress, you have to try to pick some point that might be supported. If they go with the list, they jolly well should clean up the list. Pointing out at the list as a bad list, though, just becomes another attempt by gun nuts to not do anything to cut down on their choices of mass killing devices. Just as mealy mouthed an argument that box cutters, pen knives, and IUDs kill too. That's a stupid argument against cutting the choices down at the end of big kill rate options.

The issue should be approached at the manufacturing and distribution points. There's no legitimate reason for anyone out of the military (even not in the police) for someone to need a class of weapons that is capable of high kills rapidly (here is where you gun nuts get mealy mouthed about what that is. It's something, so common sense and caring folks will pick a point and start from there). We don't permit private citizens to walk around with nuclear weapons, so just ratchet back from there to a point where quick, high kill rates aren't possible. There's no reason why a private citizen should have such a weapon. Their right to own one and play with one does not supersede the rights of others to live.

So, screw Congress--the public should go after gun manufactures and should harass gunshop owners selling such weapons within their community. Name them, photograph them, publicize them and their activities. Point to them in church and at the bowling alley and call out what they are doing. It doesn't matter if it's currently legal. It's wrong and it's contributing to and enabling mass casualties among the innocent who are just trying to exercise their right to go to school, the market, the movies, church, and clubs without being mowed down by some nut whose has far more options available to him to kill people because of the stupidity of gun nuts.

 

[phrodeau]

We put people in office to solve problems, not to just look at them and do nothing about them.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

We put people in office to solve problems, not to just look at them and do nothing about them.

and just what has that obama done? he whines more than any previous POTUS which makes obama a little cry baby bitch