Love is unethical

[Primalex]

http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_articles/jealousy_can_blind_you_literally

 

[eastern sun]

http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_articles/jealousy_can_blind_you_literally

I love this. But you're not really trying to say that jealousy is love, are you?

Jealousy has much more in common with hatred, in my experience.

 

[00Syd]

I love this. But you're not really trying to say that jealousy is love, are you?

Jealousy has much more in common with hatred, in my experience.

Jealousy has much more to do with fear, than hatred, I've found. But that could just be the way jealousy manifests for me, personally.

 

[subish2009]

Jealousy has much more to do with fear, than hatred, I've found. But that could just be the way jealousy manifests for me, personally.

I agree. That rings true for my experience, too.

 

[Primalex]

I love this. But you're not really trying to say that jealousy is love, are you?

Jealousy has much more in common with hatred, in my experience.

It was more along the line of emotions and the ability to control them, the latest turn of this thread.

 

[Primalex]

Jealousy is a fascinating topic.

My nephew wants the same attention my niece gets.

They are 9 months old.

It's ridiculous.

She dropped the pacifier, it rolled under the couch. Her mother picks it up, washes it and hands it back.

Nephew watches all this, takes out his pacifier and throws it under the couch.

 

[subish2009]

Jealousy is a fascinating topic.

My nephew wants the same attention my niece gets.

They are 9 months old.

It's ridiculous.

She dropped the pacifier, it rolled under the couch. Her mother picks it up, washes it and hands it back.

Nephew watches all this, takes out his pacifier and throws it under the couch.

It IS a fascinating topic. It can take so many forms.

Just today I was talking with my online D about a hypothetical situation in which I would be jealous. He good-naturedly likes to get my jealousy flowing (on a very minor level, one in which I know he's kidding and have no truly negative emotions...it's like a game or an inside joke)...I think it flatters the ego. But it's interesting to me that I get jealous with him and never have with anyone else. I think it's because our relationship is online-only, we're both married, we never get to meet in r/l and there's a good chance we never will. If I actually HAD him, I don't think I'd be jealous. As it is, I'm a little jealous of the entire world as I feel like everyone gets the opportunity to see and speak with and touch him but me.

 

[eastern sun]

Jealousy has much more to do with fear, than hatred, I've found. But that could just be the way jealousy manifests for me, personally.

I chose to toss the love/hate coin in that post, but I totally agree with you. Fear.

 

[eastern sun]

Jealousy is a fascinating topic.

My nephew wants the same attention my niece gets.

They are 9 months old.

It's ridiculous.

She dropped the pacifier, it rolled under the couch. Her mother picks it up, washes it and hands it back.

Nephew watches all this, takes out his pacifier and throws it under the couch.

Yes! It happens all the time! Which is interesting, because my husband is an only child, and doesn't feel jealousy the way I (the oldest of four) do. Is there a connection?

 

[Keroin]

Yes! It happens all the time! Which is interesting, because my husband is an only child, and doesn't feel jealousy the way I (the oldest of four) do. Is there a connection?

You could be on to something here. My sister and I are ten years apart, so there was never any kind of competition between us. She was more of a mini-mom than a sibling.

I rarely feel jealous.

I do, however, feel a sense of entitlement and I am selfish.

 

[00Syd]

Yes! It happens all the time! Which is interesting, because my husband is an only child, and doesn't feel jealousy the way I (the oldest of four) do. Is there a connection?

You could be on to something here. My sister and I are ten years apart, so there was never any kind of competition between us. She was more of a mini-mom than a sibling.

I rarely feel jealous.

I do, however, feel a sense of entitlement and I am selfish.

Well, I'm an only child and I had a long, drawn out, difficult battle with jealousy (one that I've not yet completely won). So no, I don't think there is a connection. Or if there is a connection, it's not such a literal parallel.

 

[Netzach]

I read the pacifier more as a "meme" thing. Just me?

 

[midwestyankee]

I read the pacifier more as a "meme" thing. Just me?

I saw it as mere imitation. Toddlers learn by imitating. They try what others do and see what happens.

 

[Netzach]

I saw it as mere imitation. Toddlers learn by imitating. They try what others do and see what happens.

Yep.

The "make mom bend over" meme, heh.

 

[BiBunny]

I'm an only child. I'm very private, but I hardly ever feel jealousy. What this has to do with anything, I'm not sure, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyhow.

 

[graceanne]

Love is not consensual. You don't agree to love. You can't stop it.

Yes, I can stop it. Yes, I do agree to love. If it's not consensual I go elsewhere.

Love is not mutual in most cases. If you love someone, you are not guaranteed to be loved in return.

That's when you pick yourself up and go elsewhere.

Love can die, again without your consent. You can't bind it with a contract or other means.

It dies if you don't nurture it. If you are loyal and take care of that love it doesn't have to die ever.

Love is not fair. You can't prevent to fall in love with someone, therefore you can't prevent to fall in love with someone else.

Love isn't this thing you just unknowingly fall into. Not unless you want to be all Jerry Springer and shit. It's something you feel and feed if it seems like a good situation. Your heart in involved but if you are wise, your head (the one on your shoulders) if also involved.

Love is neither safe nor sane. Love makes you do very stupid things. It can even get you killed, either as lover or loved.

Love that is not safe or sane is love you should opt out of. I've been there in unhealthy love. Somehow I got out. Yay!

Love does not serve any purpose.

I disagree. It makes life infinitely sweeter and more worthwhile when it's healthy.

If you spend time with a person that loves you, you are not better than a guy who slips a date rape drug into a drink. The consent is fake. It's not based upon rational thoughts.

I completely disagree with this. Love is not some drug that takes away free will.

Love is not a chubby cherubim with a bow. Love is a predator. It does not take your wishes into account. You can't argue with it. You can't bribe it. You can't control it. Love does, what Love pleases.

Wrong again, I can control it. I can and I have. Whiners often don't however.

This all leads to the only inevitable conclusion:
Love is unethical.

Depends on how it's used.

Fury. You rock. You put that so well.

Yep.

The "make mom bend over" meme, heh.

I hate that game.

 

[subish2009]

I'm an only child. I'm very private, but I hardly ever feel jealousy. What this has to do with anything, I'm not sure, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyhow.

Yeah, I'm an only child, too (Gosh, there are so many of us here! Interesting!). I have only felt jealousy as stated above...in a completely impossible situation that's pretty abnormal. I'm not sure if that adds to or detracts from this only-child-lack-of-jealousy-pseudo-theory...

 

[00Syd]

Also, my boyfriend has a sister, and he's completely poly, and I've never seen him jealous once.

 

[Bandit58]

I have a younger brother, and I rarely feel jealousy. So that kind of torpedoes the "only child" theory

I believe jealousy relates more to insecurity than fear, though that can be a part of it (fear of losing someone you care about). I'm totally secure in my relationship with Sir, but now and then something will trigger my buttons when we are with someone else

Those are the times when He allows me the time to process what I am feeling and then come to Him and talk about it...sometimes our conversation will reveal that what I felt was valid at the time but in hindsight was really rather silly

 

[Netzach]

I'm an only and I went from insanely possessive and jealous to not in the least.

I think it was an outgrowing thing. Like my disdain for mushrooms or something, I got over it.

 

[YourCaptor]

If love is unethical then so is the need to eat.

You know, you can focus on the problems, but there is another side. When love works out, can anything compare to that, can any other pleasure even be in the same room as that.

 

[FurryFury]

I don't think being an only or not has anything to do with jealousy. I think jealousy is often tied to insecurity and immaturity. I've been jealous quite a bit in the past. It tends to make me want to have sex more to feel a bit more secure because I'm bent that way.

I am an only child unless you count that younger "brother" of mine. The one I don't really have but the one my mother was telling people was her son when she was fucking him and letting him live at her house rent free. LMAO.

 

[Primalex]

If love is unethical then so is the need to eat.

animals or in general?
Care to elaborate?

What about the desire to eat humans?

When drugs work out, can anything compare to that, can any other pleasure even be in the same room as that

Fixed it.

So drugs are ethical?

 

[midwestyankee]

Primalex, you seem to want to apply ethical/unethical labels to entities rather than actions. Why is that?

Is a nuclear bomb ethical or unethical? How can it be either when it merely sits in storage somewhere?

Is a ten dollar bill ethical or unethical? How can it be either if it is not spent on something?

 

[Primalex]

Primalex, you seem to want to apply ethical/unethical labels to entities rather than actions. Why is that?

Because it fits to this thread.

Is a nuclear bomb ethical or unethical? How can it be either when it merely sits in storage somewhere?

Why can it not be?

Child pornography is rated as bad, although it doesn't do anything. It is rated so, because a child was most likely abused to create it. So I think it's valid that entities are rated not only by the properties they inherently own, but also by those things, they allow or are a result of.

Is a ten dollar bill ethical or unethical? How can it be either if it is not spent on something?

Let's use money instead - is the concept of money a good one? Does mankind need money? Should they need it?


Or let's try it this way:
Is a human being ever evil, a villain?

You would say now:"Only his actions can be rated as evil or good, he can't be, he is just an entity."

I say:"You can rate him, if you know what he has done or will do or might be able to do or what his purpose in life is."