Making the boards part of your play?

[Bramblethorn]

I've noticed that now and then, people use these boards as part of their BDSM play. I don't mean discussing BDSM with fellow kinksters; obviously that's the entire point of this forum! I'm talking about stuff that seems less about exchanging ideas with other posters and more about exhibitionism.

For example, "what are some ways I can show my devotion to my mistress?" - that's an invitation to discussion. People can chime in, share ideas. People talking or sharing pictures of the stuff that makes them hot, that's all part of a conversation.

But "my mistress has ordered me to post here about how magnificent she is, yada yada" - that feels more like the poster, and/or their mistress, getting off on the act of broadcasting their BDSM play to the board. It doesn't exactly invite a response.

Is it just me, or does that feel a bit naff? It's hard to gauge exactly what the expectations are in a sex-themed online forum, but for me, I see this forum as something closer to a BDSM munch than a dungeon party, and my understanding of munch etiquette is that you wouldn't just walk in and order your sub to start licking your boots. It feels like making people part of your sex play who haven't actually agreed to be part of your sex play.

But, you know... I've never been to a BDSM munch IRL. I'm shy that way. So maybe I'm misunderstanding the dynamic. Would be interested to hear how others feel about this stuff.

 

[seela]

I've noticed that now and then, people use these boards as part of their BDSM play. I don't mean discussing BDSM with fellow kinksters; obviously that's the entire point of this forum! I'm talking about stuff that seems less about exchanging ideas with other posters and more about exhibitionism.

For example, "what are some ways I can show my devotion to my mistress?" - that's an invitation to discussion. People can chime in, share ideas. People talking or sharing pictures of the stuff that makes them hot, that's all part of a conversation.

But "my mistress has ordered me to post here about how magnificent she is, yada yada" - that feels more like the poster, and/or their mistress, getting off on the act of broadcasting their BDSM play to the board. It doesn't exactly invite a response.

Is it just me, or does that feel a bit naff? It's hard to gauge exactly what the expectations are in a sex-themed online forum, but for me, I see this forum as something closer to a BDSM munch than a dungeon party, and my understanding of munch etiquette is that you wouldn't just walk in and order your sub to start licking your boots. It feels like making people part of your sex play who haven't actually agreed to be part of your sex play.

But, you know... I've never been to a BDSM munch IRL. I'm shy that way. So maybe I'm misunderstanding the dynamic. Would be interested to hear how others feel about this stuff.

I can see where you coming from, yes.

I'm not super into the threads where people are making a declaration that they're posting something because someone told them (although I could see myself being into that - I'd just know better than to make a grand declaration about it), but it doesn't really bother me either. And yes, threads like the ones you described are often quite boring and rarely get any conversation going. Often also a little "in bad taste" (not all), but that's an entirely different thing.

There are lots of threads here, some popular ones too, that I don't care about for one reason or another. My course of action is that I just don't open the threads I don't care about. Of course, when a new thread is started I can't know what's in it becore opening it, but at least my sensitivities aren't offended just by reading some words on a screen about sex other people are having or seeing a pic. And once I know what's in it, I can either decide to never open it again or come back to the thread later.

In a way I always find it a little silly when people make a big fuss about how they've not consented to being a part of somebody's sex life in a thread where someone makes a post like "I just put 20 clothes pins on my tits, now give my dom suggestions as to what to do next". All is needed is one click or tap and the words are forever gone. It's one move of your finger. I don't think it's too much effort to ask, compared to the situation at a much you described where you'd have to physically leave the place to get out of the situation.

I think if your (general you) sensitivities are truly offended by reading a description about someone else's sex life on a thread that you can very easily close and never come back to, and really, truly feel like your consent was violated, Lit might not be the right place for you. I wouldn't like to see the entire place to become only about that kind of threads, but seeing threads/posts like that every now and again is fine by me.

I realize other people likely feel differently about this.

I feel a little on the fence about my no nut thread for exactly this exhibitionistic reason. Ok, it's a very PG-13 thread, but I have typed up a few posts and then decided not to send them because, if I'm being honest, a part of the motivation behind writing up the posts was that it feels humiliating to tell about some things and I'm majorly into humiliation as a kink. So it felt like engaging other people in my business, even though they likely never would have realized it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

There are lots of threads here, some popular ones too, that I don't care about for one reason or another. My course of action is that I just don't open the threads I don't care about. Of course, when a new thread is started I can't know what's in it becore opening it, but at least my sensitivities aren't offended just by reading some words on a screen about sex other people are having or seeing a pic. And once I know what's in it, I can either decide to never open it again or come back to the thread later.

In a way I always find it a little silly when people make a big fuss about how they've not consented to being a part of somebody's sex life in a thread where someone makes a post like "I just put 20 clothes pins on my tits, now give my dom suggestions as to what to do next". All is needed is one click or tap and the words are forever gone. It's one move of your finger. I don't think it's too much effort to ask, compared to the situation at a much you described where you'd have to physically leave the place to get out of the situation.

You're right that it's not much effort to skip out of those threads, but it's not the effort that irks me. It's more the presumption, I think? Like the guy who sometimes hops on my train and sees it as an audience for his not-very-good guitar skills.

I feel a little on the fence about my no nut thread for exactly this exhibitionistic reason. Ok, it's a very PG-13 thread, but I have typed up a few posts and then decided not to send them because, if I'm being honest, a part of the motivation behind writing up the posts was that it feels humiliating to tell about some things and I'm majorly into humiliation as a kink. So it felt like engaging other people in my business, even though they likely never would have realized it.

I don't read that one much, simply because the topic isn't particularly relevant to my interests, but nor does it bug me. You're posting stuff that other regulars are interested in, and it's not like you've just blown in for that one thread. So it doesn't have the one-sided "you are here to be my audience" vibe that I get from some of the posts I'm talking about.

 

[AlwaysFara]

I don’t like it, either. Especially if I don’t know the posters involved. I feel we are close here, and yes, Bramble, it’s as if strangers walked in and started boot licking. Exactly.

That being said, I’m nosey. I read everything. I also add my 2 cents. Because, Fara.

The one time I LOVED something like this. Lucy’s Master (her hubs) came in and told us Lucy was being punished, for whatever, and she wasn’t allowed to post for a day. Because we know her, we were all sympathetic, but no one said ONE WORD to her hubs.
I dunno. It made me hot.

 

[seela]

So it doesn't have the one-sided "you are here to be my audience" vibe that I get from some of the posts I'm talking about.

That's a very good description of what puts me off about those threads as well. But they don't bother me too much either.

I mean, I don't love the threads, but I never open them again once it's become obvious what it's about, so it doesn't matter to me that the thread exists here. Someone else might be into it I guess, or at least that's what I try to think of.

But it is true that very often the people who post that sort of threads are mostly lurkers, so it's difficult for me to care one iota about their punishment plight.

The one time I LOVED something like this. Lucy’s Master (her hubs) came in and told us Lucy was being punished, for whatever, and she wasn’t allowed to post for a day. Because we know her, we were all sympathetic, but no one said ONE WORD to her hubs.
I dunno. It made me hot.

I would not like this at all, and this would definitely be a question of consent. With random drive-by posters it's easy to forget what you read, in this case less so.

I'd feel much worse about it if it were a friend or a friend's PYL doing this. In that situation it wouldn't be just a question of hitting "back" and forgetting about the thread or post, because it's about someone I'm in contact with regularly. It'd be difficult for me to process the situation. Like, am I supposed to comment on it somehow to either party? Am I just supposed to pretend I never read it and nothing happend when my friend returns? Carry on as usual? What?

If the point is to get comments to make the punishment somehow more punishment-y, I'd definitely want to know about it before being thrown in the middle of it, exactly because it is a friend we're talking about. And if the point is to just inform me of the situation and carry on as usual afterwards... I mean, why? Why put me in the middle of a situation like that and force me to decide how to act around my friend(s) going forward. Nope. Not cool.

If it were like no posting for a week or a month, I'd understand it being told, because people might worry. But if it's one day... Meh. TMI.

 

[AlwaysFara]

Lucy was into it.
Maybe it was... he was telling us why she hadn’t been there.

 

[AlwaysFara]

And I love your thread, seela. That’s more of a diary.

 

[AlwaysFara]

What I don’t like is using Talk as a Personals.
Yes, I’m talking to you, Kash.
I’m also not into 5 million gifs and pics with no words, Scrawney.

It all comes back to... this is a message board. Pics and gifs have their place. I LOVE them, but we are here to communicate. Yes?

 

[seela]

Lucy was into it.
Maybe it was... he was telling us why she hadn’t been there.

I would be into it as well, as the one whose business is told about. That would be hot and poke very many, very scary buttons of mine. But that's not really the question here. The focus is on the audience, not how the PYL and pyl feel about it.

As a member of the audience I feel hell to the no - no matter how wet my panties would get as the pyl in the situation.

Caveat: it's difficult for me to imagine the friend situation as an open-to-all porn board thing, because I don't have any Lit friends that I'm remotely close with. So when I think about this, to me the context of friends is automatically my IRL friends, and if one of them pulled off something like that, I'd very much give them shit about it.

 

[AlwaysFara]

I would be into it as well, as the one whose business is told about. That would be hot and poke very many, very scary buttons of mine. But that's not really the question here. The focus is on the audience, not how the PYL and pyl feel about it.

As a member of the audience I feel hell to the no - no matter how wet my panties would get as the pyl in the situation.

Caveat: it's difficult for me to imagine the friend situation as an open-to-all porn board thing, because I don't have any Lit friends that I'm remotely close with. So when I think about this, to me the context of friends is automatically my IRL friends, and if one of them pulled off something like that, I'd very much give them shit about it.

Okay. When you put it like that, yes.

 

[Nezhul]

I strongly dislike being involved like that.

In fact (and I am sorry to bring it up and make it a bit personal) I actually cringe every time I see SissySalina post. Which is actually a downer because most of the time his opinions are pretty good.
But simply every time people like that post, I feel like I'm being dragged into their roleplay. I feel like someone is dangling their dick right in front of my face and getting off at my expense, which is extremely unwelcome.

So it's not just the topics like that. It's people in general acting as if we are all their willing audience

 

[Lascivity]

I don't hate it - and I guess if people are going to do it anywhere, Lit is probably a better place for it than some other forums. It does feel pretty self-centred though. The people who do it are so wrapped up in their own play that they obviously don't consider whether anyone here actually wants to be a part of it or not. 99.9% of the time, I can tell you in advance, I do not.

 

[CandiCame]

It's not my thing but I have a very personal reason that it isn't my thing.

When I was younger, before I met my current bf, I was very, VERY into public play. I went to a lot of house parties, a lot of public meet-ups, etc, and I was a teenager (like for the sake of this board let's say 18-19). So in my defense I was young and stupid.

When I met my current bf and we started dating exclusively, he actually sat me down and had a heart to heart with me about the way I'd been acting, and how it was inappropriate and it really, really stuck with me and made me feel really shitty about myself. I want to be very clear that he was really gentle and didn't mean to make me feel bad, he just wanted to be clear that my behavior was not ok.

One thing he said that really stuck out to me was, "The whole world does not consent to be part of your scene."

Like I have remembered that sentence, in particular, for the rest of my life. Because I realized that I was being a douchebag. I was making people uncomfortable. And I don't have a right to do that. Yes, have sex in public. Yes, be as subby as you are. Yes, be yourself.

BUT

There's a reason they make collars that can be mistaken for necklaces. There are appropriate (public) places to do that. And the reason that he took me aside and told me this, was because we were at a house party and I tried to suck him off and it was NOT a place where everyone knew that was going to happen- and again, in my defense, I was young, and until someone told me I genuinely did not know the difference.

But now I'm older and wiser, and I know better, and because it's a mistake I once made so severely, I am overly aware of it. I know where that line is now, and I don't want to cross it again because I realized that I was- I don't want to say 'hurting people' but like... aggravating people.

So I feel like maybe we could break it into two sections? One for play where everyone who's there does consent to reading that kind of stuff, and another where people just want to talk about the lifestyle? That may already be the case because there are two bdsm boards. My reading comprehension's not great right now because I have a fever of like 101 so if this didn't make sense I'm sorry.

I actually also don't read the threads that are part of other people's play because like... that ain't my business? So it doesn't affect me because it's not my thing so I just don't interact with it. They can be there or not and it won't change anything for me.

 

[ultramarineblue]

I feel a little on the fence about my no nut thread for exactly this exhibitionistic reason. Ok, it's a very PG-13 thread, but I have typed up a few posts and then decided not to send them because, if I'm being honest, a part of the motivation behind writing up the posts was that it feels humiliating to tell about some things and I'm majorly into humiliation as a kink. So it felt like engaging other people in my business, even though they likely never would have realized it.

You're right that it's not much effort to skip out of those threads, but it's not the effort that irks me. It's more the presumption, I think? Like the guy who sometimes hops on my train and sees it as an audience for his not-very-good guitar skills.

I don't read that one much, simply because the topic isn't particularly relevant to my interests, but nor does it bug me. You're posting stuff that other regulars are interested in, and it's not like you've just blown in for that one thread. So it doesn't have the one-sided "you are here to be my audience" vibe that I get from some of the posts I'm talking about.

This is very interesting to me in that while there are the obvious threads that are playing out various kinks there are others that may be perceived or not perceived as such when they are or maybe aren't. I would hope that the thread I write mostly in isn't perceived as one where I want others to see all that I'm doing but it very well may be especially since it hardly ever inspires anyone to comment on it. I didn't start it as a way to show off what I've done but I can see how people would view it that way. I have hoped that maybe people might comment on it to give me different things to consider. I think a part of me started it to in a way to keep some of my thoughts easier for me to return to in the future. In a way it is humiliating to me to think that others may view it as me involving others in my kink without their consent. It isn't only humiliating but it saddens me that I was so unaware of that because I really don't ever want to do something like that in any form. This is why I like this forum so much. It teaches me so much.

 

[Jada59]

I have seen it before in other places on the Internet and don't really get it. Depending on the nature of the post I am left wondering... Is it a lazy Dom who doesn't want to do the work so is asking others what he/she should do? Is the person really a sub who has been asked post? Or it someone just messing with us?

Most of the time I think the person is just messing with us because it's usually someone that no one else knows.

 

[Bramblethorn]

This is very interesting to me in that while there are the obvious threads that are playing out various kinks there are others that may be perceived or not perceived as such when they are or maybe aren't. I would hope that the thread I write mostly in isn't perceived as one where I want others to see all that I'm doing but it very well may be especially since it hardly ever inspires anyone to comment on it.

The "random musings" thread? I didn't see it that way, no. To me, that thread comes across as somebody thinking aloud about things in their life, including kink, but it doesn't read like exhibitionism for the sake of sexual titillation.

In a way it is humiliating to me to think that others may view it as me involving others in my kink without their consent. It isn't only humiliating but it saddens me that I was so unaware of that because I really don't ever want to do something like that in any form.

I don't view it that way. I suspect part of why you're not getting a lot of responses from others on that thread is just that most of your posts are statements about your own experiences rather than questions other people can answer - questions tend to draw more discussion. Certainly for myself, I don't feel like I have anything useful to add on your thread, but that doesn't mean it's bothering me.

 

[AlwaysFara]

This is very interesting to me in that while there are the obvious threads that are playing out various kinks there are others that may be perceived or not perceived as such when they are or maybe aren't. I would hope that the thread I write mostly in isn't perceived as one where I want others to see all that I'm doing but it very well may be especially since it hardly ever inspires anyone to comment on it. I didn't start it as a way to show off what I've done but I can see how people would view it that way. I have hoped that maybe people might comment on it to give me different things to consider. I think a part of me started it to in a way to keep some of my thoughts easier for me to return to in the future. In a way it is humiliating to me to think that others may view it as me involving others in my kink without their consent. It isn't only humiliating but it saddens me that I was so unaware of that because I really don't ever want to do something like that in any form. This is why I like this forum so much. It teaches me so much.

I never commented because I always thought of it as sort of your blog. I don’t see your thread negatively in any way.

 

[CandiCame]

I feel bad if I made anyone else feel bad. I was just trying to explain why it wasn't my thing. I absolutely didn't mean that you couldn't or that it was a huge consent issue. It's not like public sex where people are forced to watch. I swear I was only trying to explain why it wasn't for me. You seriously do whatever you want in your own thread. I'm sorry if I made you feel like you were imposing on others or anything!

I swear I just meant like, "Here is my personal reason why I'm not into it". I wasn't trying to shame anyone and I'm really sorry if I did.

 

[neci]

if you don't like cock sucking, don't open the oral servitude thread. don't want to read about men loving panties? don't open the thread. don't want to read people bitching about politics, don't go to the general board. don't want to get hit on by married men looking to cyber while their wives are away? don't go to the playground. don't want to read an apology someone is writing to their mistress? don't open the thread titled, "a public apology to my mistress." for fucks sake. no one is forcing anyone to open a thread and read anything. if you use your free will to open a thread with a warning on it, you have already consented to be hit with any words found inside. you chose it. you consented. you wanted it. don't pretend like someone is harming you with their words on a screen, because that is just some victim mentality bullshit. put on some big girl panties and take responsibility for being on an adult forum. take some responsibility for the threads you choose to participate in. people who bitch about this kind of stuff drive me crazy, because i see it as shaming someone else who is looking for a safe place to to put some words regarding their sexuality and yes, play. they are looking for fun. they are exploring their kinks. they are not at some party, sucking cock around people who did not consent to a sex show. if you're out giving a hand job to your man, while i try to eat my lunch in a public restaurant, then yes. that is a valid violation. that is not the case on lit. if your goal is to run people off of a forum, because you don't like the way they type or how they express themselves, you are the bully. you are the one shaming. that is your kink. you are subjecting everyone who reads your words to take a part of your kink. you are a hypocrite.

 

[neci]

that was my rant. i've always viewed the cafe as a place one can go to play. the Talk forum has its strict guidelines about what is a discussion forum, as can be found in the stickies. the mods get to decide who gets the boot, and where that boot ends up. i don't mind what other people do around here or there. if i don't like it, i don't go there. if they really bother me, i have a fabulous thing called the iggy. poof. no consent needed, because i can't see you. so play away.

 

[ultramarineblue]

The "random musings" thread? I didn't see it that way, no. To me, that thread comes across as somebody thinking aloud about things in their life, including kink, but it doesn't read like exhibitionism for the sake of sexual titillation.



I don't view it that way. I suspect part of why you're not getting a lot of responses from others on that thread is just that most of your posts are statements about your own experiences rather than questions other people can answer - questions tend to draw more discussion. Certainly for myself, I don't feel like I have anything useful to add on your thread, but that doesn't mean it's bothering me.

I never commented because I always thought of it as sort of your blog. I don’t see your thread negatively in any way.

Thank you both so much for your input! I'm glad that y'all both didn't see random musings that way. I still like that this thread has made me think about how it could come across to others. I know that I often don't find myself thinking of anything to add to other threads here but the conversations that I've read always get me to think. Thank y'all so much!

 

[cookiecat]

Those kind of posts are tedious. Someone mentioned narcissistic. It doesn't really promote conversation; it smacks of voyeurism. Remember the person who came to the cafe, saying they had 50 orgasms, then 100 and how amazing her online Master was?

I suppose some could say (and I think someone just said it a post or two ago) that threads like Oral feel tedious and I can see that. I suppose some might think the glitter thread is boring. But those threads are pretty obvious and it's easier to bypass those threads.

So this debate about becoming a part of a thread is a choice, either click or don't, isn't always that easy. When someone titles their thread "I had 100 orgasms" or "An open apology" - I get curious. I want to see what it is. Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd then I think, well that was a minute of my time I can't get back.

I do enjoy the blog type threads, like ultramarine's. Does anyone remember janiesweepthefloor (I think that was her name)? She had an interesting thread filled with random thoughts, strange encounters.

Maybe the difference is the time and effort put into a thread like that? So many feel like masturbation fodder, one and done type posts. Or posts that seem like a solicitation for PM's. *yawn*

 

[Bramblethorn]

if you don't like cock sucking, don't open the oral servitude thread. don't want to read about men loving panties? don't open the thread. don't want to read people bitching about politics, don't go to the general board. don't want to get hit on by married men looking to cyber while their wives are away? don't go to the playground. don't want to read an apology someone is writing to their mistress? don't open the thread titled, "a public apology to my mistress." for fucks sake. no one is forcing anyone to open a thread and read anything. if you use your free will to open a thread with a warning on it, you have already consented to be hit with any words found inside. you chose it. you consented. you wanted it. don't pretend like someone is harming you with their words on a screen, because that is just some victim mentality bullshit. put on some big girl panties and take responsibility for being on an adult forum. take some responsibility for the threads you choose to participate in. people who bitch about this kind of stuff drive me crazy,

If this thread bugs you that much, have you considered taking your own advice and not reading it?

That's a rhetorical question. Although "if you don't like it, don't read it" is very often good advice, I don't believe it's universally correct, and since you're chiming in on this discussion it's possible you might not really believe that either.

I started this thread because I often have difficulty gauging what the norms are in a given setting - especially one like this - and I'd prefer to use my words and ask than to try to guess. I appreciate the folk who chimed in, both those who share my position and those who don't; it's all helpful in calibrating my understanding of what kind of behaviour is appropriate and what's going to bother people.

if your goal is to run people off of a forum,

It's not, so the rest of that paragraph is irrelevant.

If you want to discuss why I don't think "just don't read" isn't always adequate, I'm happy to talk. But that needs to start with responding to the words I've actually written, rather than assigning motivations that have nothing to do with my actual ones. Repeating that kind of gambit is a good way to end up in my ignore list.

Had I wanted to run anybody off the forum - or even just to chastise them - it's hard to think of a less effective way to do it than by posting a new thread that they're probably not even going to read. On the very rare occasions when I do want to encourage somebody to fuck off, I'm rather more direct about it. If you've been reading the Oral Servitude thread for a while you might've seen an example of what that looks like.

 

[AlwaysFara]

If this thread bugs you that much, have you considered taking your own advice and not reading it?

That's a rhetorical question. Although "if you don't like it, don't read it" is very often good advice, I don't believe it's universally correct, and since you're chiming in on this discussion it's possible you might not really believe that either.

I started this thread because I often have difficulty gauging what the norms are in a given setting - especially one like this - and I'd prefer to use my words and ask than to try to guess. I appreciate the folk who chimed in, both those who share my position and those who don't; it's all helpful in calibrating my understanding of what kind of behaviour is appropriate and what's going to bother people.


It's not, so the rest of that paragraph is irrelevant.

If you want to discuss why I don't think "just don't read" isn't always adequate, I'm happy to talk. But that needs to start with responding to the words I've actually written, rather than assigning motivations that have nothing to do with my actual ones. Repeating that kind of gambit is a good way to end up in my ignore list.

Had I wanted to run anybody off the forum - or even just to chastise them - it's hard to think of a less effective way to do it than by posting a new thread that they're probably not even going to read. On the very rare occasions when I do want to encourage somebody to fuck off, I'm rather more direct about it. If you've been reading the Oral Servitude thread for a while you might've seen an example of what that looks like.

...and you did. He poofed!

 

[neci]

If this thread bugs you that much, have you considered taking your own advice and not reading it?

That's a rhetorical question. Although "if you don't like it, don't read it" is very often good advice, I don't believe it's universally correct, and since you're chiming in on this discussion it's possible you might not really believe that either.

I started this thread because I often have difficulty gauging what the norms are in a given setting - especially one like this - and I'd prefer to use my words and ask than to try to guess. I appreciate the folk who chimed in, both those who share my position and those who don't; it's all helpful in calibrating my understanding of what kind of behaviour is appropriate and what's going to bother people.



It's not, so the rest of that paragraph is irrelevant.

If you want to discuss why I don't think "just don't read" isn't always adequate, I'm happy to talk. But that needs to start with responding to the words I've actually written, rather than assigning motivations that have nothing to do with my actual ones. Repeating that kind of gambit is a good way to end up in my ignore list.

Had I wanted to run anybody off the forum - or even just to chastise them - it's hard to think of a less effective way to do it than by posting a new thread that they're probably not even going to read. On the very rare occasions when I do want to encourage somebody to fuck off, I'm rather more direct about it. If you've been reading the Oral Servitude thread for a while you might've seen an example of what that looks like.

the thread doesn't bug me at all. nothing i said was directed at you. i was simply engaging and putting my first gut response into it. something i have done since i started here, and will continue to do for as long as i post here.

i read the mistress thread in the cafe first, then read your thread in the talk about people subjecting others to their play. that was my train of thought. people in the "my mistress" thread were upset with the OP for subjecting them to be apart of their play. your thread was created after that thread. i found it to be in poor taste. you see, it happens quite frequently that people start threads about public play after people play publicly. i was responding that it really irks me when people get their panties in a wad when other people use this are as a "play" area. i have noticed, over time, that some people who post regularly in the BDSM area get very protective of this space, and frequently are rude to anyone who tries to come here and just play. especially if they don't have frequent postings with them. some are graciously taken into the fold, if they are submissive enough, or if their words are fancy enough. For most new people looking to express themselves, they are met with cold shoulders and snarky words. that is what i have seen time and time again. 99% of people are not going to be the 1%. it is apparent in this thread right now. i like it when this person does it, but not when this person does. i find it elitist. to be quite frank, it's one of the reasons i rarely post here. you asked, i answered.

if you'd read the OS thread V1.0, you'd have a better understanding.