Media Control in America

[minsue]

To gauche:

I know I go over the top a lot; sometimes I let my heart speak before my head. But I'm happy that someone like you can be calm and give well considered opinions that closely approximate my own when I'm not pissed off.
Thanks.

But are you man enough to apologize after you let your passion take control of an argument?

 

[thebullet]

Oh, my, a pathetic pity party portentious of two liberal twats...the sky is falling, the sky is falling! You Kerryites are really silly.

Amicus regularly beats me up, calls me an idiot and a fool. I hate to do this, but I'm tired of his constant bullshit. Here are some emails I got from Amicus before he learned of my opposition to the neo-conservatives.

I felt I was reading my own thoughts, my own questions...expressing my own doubts..and reading words I had written as they are so intune with my own thoughts...you have a marvelous way of telling a story...and including a serious monologue or soliloquy as you do.Again, a pleasure to read.
thank you, amicus...

I am entranced with your ideas about speciation and the
next evolutionary step for mankind. best regards, amicus...

Robert Heinlein, the Howard Foundation, "Time enough for Love" if I recall the title correctly. Wonderful! I have often thought of how one could build on that story and you went and did it! Congratulations and since Heinlien didn't have 'the net', it at least makes the possiblity more interesting. Quite a quirky mind you have there my friend. And...my Canadian lady friend, to whom I pasted your last comment to me, to, wanted you to know there are at least two of us who have read your thoughts on 'speciation', so there!
Regards...amicus...

He seemed to regard me and/or my writing rather highly until he learned that I opposed the war in Iraq. After that I was a fucking idiot.

That's just the way Amicus is. If you disagree with his pathetic world view, you are by definition a liberal and an idiot.

 

[amicus]

Hi, Minsue....just got back from a week of babysitting grandkids and making snowmen and changing diapers...it is possible my sensibilities have been dulled...I will try harder...thanks...


amicus...

 

[Boxlicker101]

Did I miss something, or did the right wing impeach Clinton for getting a blow job?

Apparently you did miss something. Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, a felony, and especially serious for an attorney. He was acquitted because enough senators thought his crime did not rise to the level of "High crimes and misdemeanors" as required by the Constitution. I agree with them in that regard but I still believe perjury is nothing to shrug your shoulders over.

 

[rikaaim]

Apparently you did miss something. Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, a felony, and especially serious for an attorney. He was acquitted because enough senators thought his crime did not rise to the level of "High crimes and misdemeanors" as required by the Constitution. I agree with them in that regard but I still believe perjury is nothing to shrug your shoulders over.

Agreed and Agreed. Seems a man who makes sense on this thread is an endangered species. Watch your back buddy. I would protect you if I could, but I have a feeling that I would be beaten like a baby seal.

 

[amicus]

...for the Bullet...a one hit wonder...

"...He seemed to regard me and/or my writing rather highly until he learned that I opposed the war in Iraq. After that I was a fucking idiot.

That's just the way Amicus is. If you disagree with his pathetic world view, you are by definition a liberal and an idiot...."

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What the bullet...aka andrew wiggins, failed to post and paste was that I warned him about using a political agenda in his stories. His stories are well written and very entertaining, which I conveyed to him. But when his literature became an anti republican, anti bush platform...I quit reading....as did most, I surmise...

Literature on Literotica or elsewhere is many things, but propaganda, the 'party line' of the bullet, is seen for what it is.

amicus...

 

[thebullet]

minisue said:
But are you man enough to apologize after you let your passion take control of an argument?

who should I be apologizing to, minisue? Certainly not Amicus. Perhaps Colleen: if I offended her as a woman and a lesbian I apologize. But she claims I insulted those aspects of her but quoted a different person's insult, not mine. I am a feminist, my wife was a charter member of N.O.W. I attended the FIRST woman's march in NYC back in 1969 maybe 1970 (okay, I wanted to see women who weren't wearing bras - I didn't see any). My wife's cousin is a lesbian, my nephew is gay. After his mother died he became like our own son. My son is bi.
What I am saying is, I don't think I would insult a person as a woman or as a lesbian because I have too much respect and too much personal history.

If I insult JohnMorrison, sorry but I take nothing back. The man is a fool not to be suffered as is his brother in crime, Amicus.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I learned a long time ago about the media and how 'free' it really is.

I remembered a report how the daughter of some muckity-muck at CBS was getting married in New York City. The guest list read like the who's who of the media giants.

CBS, NBC, ABC, and even CBN had senior editors, presidents and others there. All of them it seems go to the same clubs, have dinner together, even belong to the same orginizations.

So, after that, when someone would mention how 'free' or independent our news media was I knew better.

This, by the way was back in the seventies.


I also know that the editors, by choosing to not cover a lead or story are by default, causing sway of public opinion.

I have not believed anything in the mass media for years now. I can see that in the end there is nothing new under the sun, only a new way of presenting it to the American Sheeple.

I'm puzzled by this post. Why should it be surprising that top brass of competing corporations should see one another socially? They are often old friends, schoolmates and frat brothers. Even former co-workers because to rise in the industry sometimes requires a change in employer. After all, the competition among them is not conducted like a war between two gangs of drug dealers.

 

[amicus]

The Bullet sounds much like a 60's Liberal..."some of my best friends are negroes..." sighs...

You need not apologize to JohnMorrison or Amicus, andrew wiggins, we know a bigot when we see one...but others are more innocent in the world and do not see you as you are.

sally forth with your agenda if you wish, but in an open forum you will be called out as the ignoramus and true believer you have shown yourself to be...

amicus...

 

[minsue]

who should I be apologizing to, minisue? Certainly not Amicus. Perhaps Colleen: if I offended her as a woman and a lesbian I apologize. But she claims I insulted those aspects of her but quoted a different person's insult, not mine. I am a feminist, my wife was a charter member of N.O.W. I attended the FIRST woman's march in NYC back in 1969 maybe 1970 (okay, I wanted to see women who weren't wearing bras - I didn't see any). My wife's cousin is a lesbian, my nephew is gay. After his mother died he became like our own son. My son is bi.
What I am saying is, I don't think I would insult a person as a woman or as a lesbian because I have too much respect and too much personal history.

If I insult JohnMorrison, sorry but I take nothing back. The man is a fool not to be suffered as is his brother in crime, Amicus.

I meant Colleen. I know nothing of any other threads, but it did seem to me that you were attacking her starting with her very first post with sniping remarks about supporting this administration and comparing her to Fox news both of which I assume were done because she is conservative seeing as she hadn't posted anything in support of either. It appeared to me as though she were being used as a stand-in for the religious right. I disagree with Colly on many fronts, but I've never known her to walk in lockstep with any party, much less front for the neo-cons.

 

[Amy Sweet]

i don't know what you are talking about...the media is LEFT WING!!!!!!!!! why can't you see through the left-wing bullshit. you fuckin left wingers think you have to "enlighten" everyone to how stupid they are or how the whole fuckin world is against you and you are the righteous... shut the hell up, you don't know what your talking about just what you saw on the Left wing controlled media, fox news has a bad rep because they are right wing and everyone else is left wing so they have destroyed their reputation.

Um- it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black here. Conservatives have been complaining forever that the media and the gays and the minority leaders are biased against them. So it's ok for Conservatives to make the histerical claim of bias, but not for Liberals? And couldn't we say also that you don't know what you're talking about --all you know is what you saw on the right wing controlled media?

And while we're at it- you guys want to make up your mind- are you right wing or are you fair and ballanced? If you are right wing, you have an obvious bias. Fox news goes around proclaiming that it's right wing and in the same breath that it's the only unbiased news around. How can you not see threw that? It doesn't even make sence. What's wrong with getting news from more than one sourse? And what *isn't* obviously wrong with completly depending on one sourse to give you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?-- As if it were the holy book of news scripture instead of just another media outlet (with an obvious and stated bias to boot)???

Fox news says the media is biased left, so it must be so.

You're statement that liberals need to shut up and get with the program, kind of reminds me of something- oh yeah, the little itty bitty quote in my tag line about the red and blue states.

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"Those latte-sipping, French-speaking, God-hating, anti-American queers in the blue states have got to stop looking down on the rest of America!"

 

[Gary Chambers]

I'm pretty sure Mr Chambers is Canadian, but I could be wrong. Either way, your talent for debate appears to be degrading, Ami. Feeling OK?

Dual citizen Minsue, British by birth (you never lose it) and Canadian by my Kennel Club papers. As for Amicus, I obviously caught him when he was having a bit of a spell. And he's right, Lord Haw Haw was an embarrassment. However, I have never applied to anyone's committee for a place to live. I thought that's what people did in posh golf course condo developments.

Anyway Amicus, what's wrong with being British? Tatelou is British and I'd follow her anywhere except Ohio or Florida. Look, here's what the controlled American media doesn't tell you.

All the world's oil is sold on two commodity exchanges, both American owned, both dealing exclusively in petrodollars. One is in London and the other in New York. The petrodollar's value is not based on gold. Nixon nixed that in 1971. It's based only on supply and demand, and demand stays high so long as all oil is traded only in petrodollars. Sadam switched to euros and was invaded. Okay, that's all old news now. The new bit is that a new oil exchange is scheduled to open in Tehran in 2005 or 2006, trading oil in euros. If Saudi Arabia joins the new Iranian oil exchange, it's goodbye petrodollar and hello American national debt. Britain and Norway sell North Sea crude in petrodollars, which is why the Black Watch is in Baghdad. Canada started selling petrodollars and buying euros bonds early in this game, which is how and why it has, thus far, stayed out of Iraq. Japan is in Iraq because it's the biggest holder of petrodollars after the U.S.A. itself.

It's all about dollars and cents, Amicus. Bush is irrelevant. He's just the man who happens to be president while all this is happening. It's unfortunate that he isn't brighter, but he's what we all have thanks to Ohioans? 'Orrible Ohioans, Belgian bastards and the creepy Bush family: they're all fun to smear and ridicule, but let's not get carried away. Keep your eye on that petrobuck, Amicus, you're not a dumb man or you wouldn't be here. You know it's all about the money. The rest is just mental gymnastics, with Bush as the mat.

I'm off to the corner store while I can still buy a loaf of bread for less than a cartload of anybody's currency. Later...

 

[amicus]

Amysweet&npetite...

Since the beginning of the printed press, the media has been biased and prejudiced....in the american colonies there were federalist and anti federalist broadsides...newspapers...

The Liberals of the late 19th century...who thought that enforced equality should be a way of life, began to insist that 'news' be objective and unbiased and that bled into the broadcast industry and government decided to 'own' the airwaves and control what passed between people.

They, then as now, do not think the average person is capable of listening to all sides and making a decision. It is the height of stupidity indeed, to attempt to regulate morality or objectivity. It must always, by definition, be the choice of the individual, the free choice, to buy or not to buy....what is offered...

The entire Liberal agenda, from the time of Plato forward is fatally flawed as it has sought an utopian finale'; whereas reality shows us we must fight for what we 'believe' to be right.

But we need these pansy assed liberals around to remind us when we have gone a bit too far...and we do...from time to time...
in our quest for ultimate human freedom.

So keep us honest you pissants...but never think that for more than a moment you will be decisive....we only make a Johnson or Clinton mistake just now and then...


amicus...

 

[minsue]

Aaaaah, I've missed you, Gary.

 

[Amy Sweet]

Bullet? Could you please apologise to Colleen. I think your attack on her was way out of line.

I've engaged her many times in debate. I've never found her anything but fair and opened minded. There are things she and I will never agree on, but we are willing to listen to each other.

And she finds much of what is happening as disturbing as you do.

This is mostly true- however when she feels attacked, I believe Colleen can be harsh and unfair. Her initial post was quite an attack of liberals (and she was trying to be nice)

I think maybe they should both appologize. And try to hear what the other is saying and not just what they want to argue against.

 

[Amy Sweet]

Amysweet&npetite...

But we need these pansy assed liberals around to remind us when we have gone a bit too far...and we do...from time to time...
in our quest for ultimate human freedom.



amicus...

aww, ami... such sweet words...I knew you loved me..deep down...

Amy

 

[amicus]

GaryChambers....


You said in part..."Anyway Amicus, what's wrong with being British? Tatelou is British and I'd follow her anywhere except Ohio or Florida. Look, here's what the controlled American media doesn't tell you.

All the world's oil is sold on two commodity exchanges, both American owned, both dealing exclusively in petrodollars. One is in London and the other in New York. The petrodollar's value is not based on gold. Nixon nixed that in 1971. It's based only on supply and demand, and demand stays high so long as all oil is traded only in petrodollars. Sadam switched to euros and was invaded. Okay, that's all old news now. The new bit is that a new oil exchange is scheduled to open in Tehran in 2005 or 2006, trading oil in euros. If Saudi Arabia joins the new Iranian oil exchange, it's goodbye petrodollar and hello American national debt. Britain and Norway sell North Sea crude in petrodollars, which is why the Black Watch is in Baghdad. Canada started selling petrodollars and buying euros bonds early in this game, which is how and why it has, thus far, stayed out of Iraq. Japan is in Iraq because it's the biggest holder of petrodollars after the U.S.A. itself...."

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Well..I would follow LouLou anywhere, ohio and florida included...

however...Commodity exchanges...Petrodollars...London, New York....gold standard, Euros, Tehran, 2006, Saudi's...Britain, Norway...Canada...Japan...you lay a lot of information on this forum with little accreditation...which means...any who wish to comprehend your dissertation...must seek information...and the kind you imply is not easily come by...

International trade is complex, for sure, and most do not doubt that...however...some far out Bilderburger Jewish conspiracy in the financial world is something I have grown to doubt over the past half century. You will note I said doubt.

When property rights and mineral rights remain with the sovreign and not the individual landowner...if such a thing ever existed inthe middle east...all sorts of chicanery is possible.

So it does not break but does stretch my ability to comprehend the vast conspiracy you imply.

Perhaps you would share your area of expertise and offer links to learn about your vision of middle east oil futures....it might help my investment portfolio...

amicus...

 

[SeaCat]

This thread reminds me of why I enjoy the political discusions here on Lit. The ability of well read, intelligent people to calmly talk about their ideas and convivctions without the name calling and mud slinging which is so common in other venues.

Cat

 

[Amy Sweet]

Oh, my, a pathetic pity party portentious of two liberal twats...the sky is falling, the sky is falling! You Kerryites are really silly.


amicus...

You... forgot your book link.

 

[amicus]

damn...so I did....royalties are all for my kids and grandkids, so buy a dozen or so...

 

[amicus]

But then, I can't keep my eyes off of AmySweets boobs...I be a bad man...

 

[Amy Sweet]

But then, I can't keep my eyes off of AmySweets boobs...I be a bad man...

Aren't they faboulous!

That pic is not me, btw, it's Katie Holmes. She makes me feel like a bad man too- and I'm not even a man!

http://www.katieholmespictures.com/

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Katie+Homes&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Katie+Holmes&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt

(Forgot it 2 more times- why don't you just put it in your sigline?)

 

[Boxlicker101]

I don't think anybody would dispute that the major news media are all corporations. TV or radio networks or chains of newspapers all require immense capital layouts and few individuals who might be that rich would be inclined to invest so much in one stock. The corporations are all profit driven and that means selling advertising, mostly to other corporations, and that means that it is necessary to attract as many viewers or listeners or readers as possible. If they don't report the news with at least a semblance of fairness they will lose their audiences and their advertising. A few hours ago, a large number of Americans were killed in one attack. All news media will report this because they need to do so to keep credibility.

Why would high ranking employees of these corporations have to be right wing types? The CEO of XYZ TV might be strongly pro-choice, in favor of gay marriage and a strong believer in other causes that are considered to be liberal and it wouldn't have much effect on the way the news would be presented.

 

[amicus]

amysweet...I cant even get an avatar or a pic up and every free website I try to build is just a mess...somebody help me, please...smiles...I mainly use my computer to write with...as I did in my newspaper days...the rest of it ..the research...is gravy, but thank you...


amicus...

 

[Gary Chambers]

So it does not break but does stretch my ability to comprehend the vast conspiracy you imply.

Amicus, I will attend to the balance of your argument under a separate heading, but first I must tell you that I find the above quote offensive. It's the sort of cheap shot one expects from the leader of the local Baptist congregation, not a man solid enough to stand up as a prince of porn. Every time some right winger gets in a spot of debating bother these days, they have certain pat insults they toss at people. One of the dirtiest, most scandalous, disreputable, intolerable of all is the 'conspiracy theorist jab'. At no time did I suggest a conspiracy. If you saw one, then it was in your mind, like the reader who sees pornography in erotica. Not in my mind.

I don't see a conspiracy in the economic realities I outlined. Conspiracies may grow out of it, but the original event is just what is happening today. All the reactions to this reality, including any conspiracies that might be afloat, are just the machinations of us mere mortals, fumbling around trying to control our own destinies. Our human economy has a life of its own, like the economy of a swamp pool, and sometimes it chooses to live its life without our permission or guidance. That can result in war, pestilence, famine and disease. Sad but true; sad, but not a conspiracy in my mind, much less a conspiracy of Jews.