Michael Jackson: Victim or child molester?
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AngelicAssassin
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Well, i kinda arch my back and snap my hips forward ... http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/363868/X3banana2.gifMiss Diva said:
It tends to get the effect i'm after.
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WriterDom said:
Ohhhhhhhh honey. So bad.
And it is too an Hawaiian print, ya goof! I like it very much, too.
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Aged meat, like fine wine, never goes bad.WriterDom said:
OK, this is just an observation, but being an anal affectionado, I know these things. I like a tight ass as well as the next guy but I can't see taking a young boy's behind without hurting him, physically.
Now, with that said, if MJ is doing such a thing (and I do say IF), doesn't that mean he's either really harming the boys or his cock is really a cock?
Again, this is just an observation. I know the anus can take more than one would think but still, I'd have to say ouch. Maybe I'm wrong?
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DVS said:
Some 'authorities' have said that they believe his emotional growth was stunted... maybe it was more than that... that was?
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TigerClaw said:
Hi! Welcome to my house! See that woman over there? She's going to watch every move you make and write it in her little book. Need to use the toilet? No problem, that man will be standing right behind you whatever you do. And don't worry about the cameras in every room, they are just recording everything you say and do so some other people can watch you later. Now just relax and have fun!
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WriterDom said:
Oh good grief, his attorneys must be livid with his behavior. I don't envy them trying to battle public opinion, and keep that trial moving the way they would like. I do hope this wasn't some stunt to argue diminished capacity later. He's beginning to look like he can't help in his own defense.
MJ's behavior is so polarizing for the public to watch. Some will say this shows 'a guilty mind'. That he couldn't face the upcoming testimony and he just made himself sick. Others will say that he is so sensitive, that to sit and have to listen to someone accuse him of such acts was overwhelming to him.
No matter, we are beginning to see his inability to deal with real life. That doesn't speak well for a man accused of a crime like this.
I also have to say, I begin to resent the special treatment he is getting as opposed to the treatment another man accused of the same crime would get. If it were anyone else, that arrest warrant would have been issued and his bail revoked in the time it took the gavel to hit the desk.
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"Any grown man who loves children is clearly a pedophile."
http://forums.ibsys.com/viewmessages.cfm?sitekey=chi&Forum=79&Topic=9456
http://forums.ibsys.com/viewmessages.cfm?sitekey=chi&Forum=79&Topic=9456
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DougBTX said:
That's an exaggeration of what's being proposed, but has a humor of its own. However, the bottom-line is this, if you don't want to be accused of bad acts, you should take SOME steps to cover your ass. It isn't like he didn't have prior events to inform him and this should have informed his conduct.
If he is incapable of making adult decisions (which he actually appears to be incapable of) then whoever advises him as failed to do their job. Of course, he can fire anyone who forces him to face certain realities, so ultimately the decision to take NO steps falls on MJ and MJ alone. A man in his position should have had sense enough to avoid even the 'appearance of impropriety'.
He may be completely innocent, but it doesn't LOOK that way. Men have been convicted of crimes in this country on less. That said, it might look like what it is. A grown man who lacks the ability to discern appropriate boundaries, and has impulse control problems.
My personal take on this is that MJ is retarded in his emotional & sexual growth and not really a pedophile at all. He frolics and plays with young boys as if he were still their age himself. I'll bet there was fondling and touching, just as there is with any young person approaching puberty. I don't think he is evil or your run of the mill pedophile at all. I think he joins in, plays and explores. He may even be trying to re-enact the place where his sexuality and emotional nature got 'stuck'. I think it is a very complicated case.
The trial is interesting from a sociopolitical POV, but we will probably never know the entire truth. I feel for all those concerned.
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DougBTX said:
Unless that grown man has the mind and emotional state of a 12 year old himself. That said, your definition is accurate.
Like I said, this is a complicated case. I'm not condoning the bahavior, I am giving my opinion on what I see before me.
Certainly the damage done (if he did it) is the same regardless of the 'intent and state of mind' of the molestor.
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Caitlynne said:
Not my definition, quite the opposite. That's a quote from the bottom of the linked page. I think the OP meant "has sex with" rather than "loves", but as it stands it sounds very anti-men. What, it is OK for a woman to love a child but not a man? BS.
I totally agree with your post just before the one I quoted though. I don't know what "steps" he took or didn't take, though if the "incapable of making adult decisions" argument holds (and I think it does) then why would he think that he would need proof that he didn't do something if he wasn't thinking about it? I'm not sure what proof you could have - we'll see what he says/does.
8 months or so ago, there was a program called "liquid assets" on the BBC were they looked at the wealth of different celebs. MJ didn't come off very well, so I'm not sure I'd buy the "he can just buy his way out" arguments going around.
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DougBTX said:
Well, he probably can buy his way out of it. He will alwyas be able to make more money after this is all over. There are books, interviews, movies, etc. You name it, he'll be able to turn this into a fortune. That's what bothers me more than anything I think. I'm not necessarily speaking just of MJ either. It's the culture we live in.
Truth be told, I do not think he has the mental/emotional stability to endure this trial. I think his physical health may be being played for more drama than it is, but I believe he is unable to deal with this much reality.
BTW, I also think that the public has as much responsibility in creating the "celebrity culture" we live in. The public makes these people, the public gives them the power and it is the public that puts them up on a pedestal. I'm not so sure we can blame them when they begin to believe they deserve to live on one.
Until we as a culture learn to prioritize entertainment (and those that entertain us) in relation to scientists, scholars, mothers, fathers, teachers, etc. ... then we will see this kind of favoritism in the courts and other places. I shake my head every time I hear someone mention the double standard and yet not take responsibility for at least condoning the culture that created that double standard.
Apparently we need our icons the same way the ancients needed their gods and goddesses.
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More bad news for Michael.
SANTA MARIA, Calif. - In a major setback for Michael Jackson, a judge ruled Monday the jury can hear allegations the pop star molested or had designs on five other boys, including actor Macaulay Culkin and two youngsters who reached multimillion-dollar settlements with the singer.
SANTA MARIA, Calif. - In a major setback for Michael Jackson, a judge ruled Monday the jury can hear allegations the pop star molested or had designs on five other boys, including actor Macaulay Culkin and two youngsters who reached multimillion-dollar settlements with the singer.
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He is pathetic freak anyway.
Example of what can glory do to unsound mind.
I would never let my children go anywhere near him, not because I think he is a pedophile (I dont know and really dont want to know), but because he would be a bad influence to any child (just my opinion).
Example of what can glory do to unsound mind.
I would never let my children go anywhere near him, not because I think he is a pedophile (I dont know and really dont want to know), but because he would be a bad influence to any child (just my opinion).
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WriterDom said:
Interestingly, I read transcripts about this a couple of weeks ago which said the decision to pay up was against Michael Jackson's wiishes as he maintained his innocence and was willing to go to court but his insurers went ahead and paid the money then told him. My view has not changed except I cannot believe a court of law and judge can go against so many rules as far as the legal system goes and still make no pretence they are determined to see him convicted....of anything....because they want to, not because he has been shjown to be guilty. What is interesting is the amount of documented government and banking evidence (apart from the testimony of scores of people) that this family is dishonest, guilty of fraud on more than one occasion, and ripped off the system through blatent lying...and the stupid twit was stupid enough to sign her lies knowing evidence could easily be produced by banks to show her fraudulent behaviour....and still nothing has been proven against Michael though plenty against his accusers. MJ would still be welcome in my home
and with my children and grandchildren anyday.
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catalina_francisco said:MJ would still be welcome in my home
and with my children and grandchildren anyday.
Catalina
I trust MJ. With girls. Or boys of color. Or white boys younger than 9 or older than 15. Outside of that all bets are off.
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The perfect end to the day...coming home to find the verdict not guilty on all counts about to be read out!! I am fortunate to have a wonderful Master who understands my tears of relief and joy and is making me frappe to celebrate with. Am I overjoyed....you bet I am and not a little surprised that justice has been done.
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I must say I'm a bit surprised. But, I wasn't following the case that closely, and we all tend to convict from what's said in the media.catalina_francisco said:The perfect end to the day...coming home to find the verdict not guilty on all counts about to be read out!! I am fortunate to have a wonderful Master who understands my tears of relief and joy and is making me frappe to celebrate with. Am I overjoyed....you bet I am and not a little surprised that justice has been done.
Catalina
I heard two local and conservative talk show hosts, here in my city, individually say that if Michael was convicted, the mother should be in jail, too. I don't know what that means, exactly, not following the case, but, I assume they meant she was coming off as less than an honest person, in their opinions. And one of them also called the trial a circus.
So, does Michael now plan on moving out of the country? That’s what I’ve heard.
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DVS said:
Ugh, computers...did a long post and then the PC crashed. Short version.....MJ has been a part of my life since the first days of his career as a child and I have known people who have met him and boys who have been alone with him and not one ever had anything questionable happen to them or even be hinted at. Add to that he is one of those rare people that is not seen often in a lifetime and who my intuition has always had nothing but good feelings about and it came down to my not wavering for a moment he was innocent of all charges...watching the reports and enactments nightly throughout still offered nothing which would make me question the truth of the claims.
The mother of the accuser? Hmmm, now it will be interesting to see if she is charged with fraud for the false claims she made for social security and which she claimed the 5th amendment? for in the courtcase. Stupidly she cannot deny them as they are all on paper with her signature saying she was destitute and a single mother living alone with her children while she had just received a $32,000 compensation claim in another court case, put the cheque through her boyfriend's bank account to avoid easy detection, and was living with her boyfriend (now husband) who was on a $80,000 military salary.
Then the fact the accuser denied any wrongdoing on MJ's part until he and his family were evicted from Neverland and promptly went to visit 2 lawyers before going to the police and claiming he had been molested. In court alone, his anger was only visible when he talked about being moved out of the ranch, not when talking about the molestation he claimed happened. Not to mention he could not keep his testimony or statements straight. The testimony against the whole family from a variety of sources, many who had no reason to lie or bend the truth, was damning to say the least and has for most demonstrated their history and addiction to being cons through and through.
Unfortunately, despite all that has been and not been proven, people prefer to believe the worst of those who have succeeded beyond most in life...makes good gossip and copy. I for one do not think I can come down enough to sleep tonight!!
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