Michael Jackson: Victim or child molester?

[catalina_francisco]

So, does Michael now plan on moving out of the country? That’s what I’ve heard.

From what I am seeing and hearing today, the overseas talk is more in relation to him going on tour than permanently moving out of the US. Apart from the fact he would be seperated from his family, given that it is reported that his popularity has not waned throughout these ordeals in either Asia or Europe, and that more people in these 2 continents have faith in his innocence, talent, and good character than his fellow Americans, I would think moving out of the US would be rejuvenating for him. The one suggestion I hope most does not come to fruition is that he rejoin with the Jackson 5 and allow the family to direct his career and personal life....IMHO that would be suicide for him and his career but is something the family have wanted ever since he went solo and left the group gasping for air and survival, robbed of the driving creative force which kept them going so long but which they were happy to profit from.

Catalina

 

[TigerClaw]

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[catalina_francisco]

I have heard today that the mother mentioned a civil suit for the purpose of getting money to the lawyers she visited before even going to the police to lodge any complaints(and that this evidence was suppressed by the judge throughout the trial)...the general consensus seems to be any lawyer who took it on would not only be acting for the wrong reasons, but would also be stupid given the lack of credibility and evidence.

What I found amusing while listening to the testimonies and cross examinations was that 3 of the things the prosecution tried repeatedly to convince the jury meant he was guilty of the charges were the fact he had porn in the house (all of which seemed to be Playboy type material which I would think of as soft porn and fairly average), he had alcohol in his wine cellar (well duh...why have an empty wine cellar?), and that when he was with children in the amusement park on the rides, the children were laughing and seemingly excited and enjoying themselves!! Pleeease, if these things spell paedophile, we are all in trouble I would think.

Catalina

 

[LeahLo519]

I don't think he did all the stuff they accused him of...but he's most definitely weird and I think that even if he didn't do anything, all of the bullshit (like letting them sleep with him) was for his own personal pleasure. He's like a panty sniffer...he really didn't do anything but he's a creep all the same.

 

[DVS]

I have heard today that the mother mentioned a civil suit for the purpose of getting money to the lawyers she visited before even going to the police to lodge any complaints(and that this evidence was suppressed by the judge throughout the trial)...the general consensus seems to be any lawyer who took it on would not only be acting for the wrong reasons, but would also be stupid given the lack of credibility and evidence.

What I found amusing while listening to the testimonies and cross examinations was that 3 of the things the prosecution tried repeatedly to convince the jury meant he was guilty of the charges were the fact he had porn in the house (all of which seemed to be Playboy type material which I would think of as soft porn and fairly average), he had alcohol in his wine cellar (well duh...why have an empty wine cellar?), and that when he was with children in the amusement park on the rides, the children were laughing and seemingly excited and enjoying themselves!! Pleeease, if these things spell paedophile, we are all in trouble I would think.

Catalina

Just this morning, on a radio show I listen to, they said it was getting out that the jury didn't like how the mother snapped her fingers at them, when she was on the witness stand. I don't know how she was doing it, but it sure must have rubbed them the wrong way. And, if she was snapping her fingers at all on the witness stand, that's plain stupid, by itself.

 

[serijules]

I've often wondered if he didn't look the way he does now, if this all would have gotten to the point it has. His making himself look like a "freak" I'm sure has impacted what people think of him. If you look like a freak, you *must* be one, right? (note sarcasm...)

I have never liked him. I remember when I was a kid and my best friend and her brothers LOVED him...had tapes, posters, etc of him. I hated going to her house because seeing posters of him gave me the creeps. That was well over 15 years ago. I still don't like him, but in my opinion he's just a sad, troubled man who thinks the best way to buy affection in love is to, well, buy it. Who easier to manipulate in that way than children?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Just this morning, on a radio show I listen to, they said it was getting out that the jury didn't like how the mother snapped her fingers at them, when she was on the witness stand. I don't know how she was doing it, but it sure must have rubbed them the wrong way. And, if she was snapping her fingers at all on the witness stand, that's plain stupid, by itself.

Yes, watched the jurors being interviewed about the case yesterday and one of the older women mentioned this and said it set her right off. Seem to have been a fairly together bunch of people who have formed lasting friendships from this and they just kept saying they set aside his celebrity status out of necessity and looked at the case for what it presented and basically the prosecution failed to impress anything on them except there was no evidence.

Howard L. Weitzman said when asked his thoughts of what he would say to Sneddon that his advice to Sneddon would be to keep on with his retirement plans, speed them up if possible, and step aside to allow a more objective and less personally motivated person take on the job. I am amazed so many things were allowed in the case and courtroom that were not considered legal or unbiased, and many that were plain evidence or testimony for the defense was not.....sort of makes it clear it was not about justice and protecting children but a witchhunt in the extreme. People still maintain where there is smoke there is fire (an analogy I have found is often used to justify people gossiping.....sort of along the lines, 'well if a woman is raped she obviously did something wrong to invite it' stupidity), but wouldn't you think if that were so they could by now after over a decade of spending so much time and energy doggedly searching and baiting, have found at least one piece of evidence that was unquestionable. After all, as most say, MJ has been naive in the extreme so one would assume if he were to be doing anything unsavory he would also be just as careless in hiding it.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

I don't think he did all the stuff they accused him of...but he's most definitely weird and I think that even if he didn't do anything, all of the bullshit (like letting them sleep with him) was for his own personal pleasure. He's like a panty sniffer...he really didn't do anything but he's a creep all the same.

Well if that is your criteria for being a creep, most of us on this board would fit the bill and I guess should be seen as questionable too?!! Unfortunately for the prosecution, that was their mistake too in thinking that if a person stepped outside the conservative and socially approved box they should be locked up for whatever crime they could make stick regardless of if it took place or not. Hell, just owning a couple of Playboys is enough for Sneddon to think you are obviously a sexual predator that should never see the light of day again. Just think, posting or even lurking on this site would see you labelled the same. Hypocritical conservatism at its best...or worst if you ask me as it doesn't have much intelligent thought to back it.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Could this statement (partial) by one of the writers on MJ's site be an indication he is not going to take what has happened laying down and fade away with what some think he should in gratitude for not being convicted?

"To all of those who hedged their careers on a Michael Jackson conviction, fear not, the angels of retribution will visit you shortly. Consult your lawyers for details. This includes those who felt it was their right to meddle in his private financial affairs. Last time I checked the pulse of this nation, any person’s private property was generally to be respected and honored. Most working people can appreciate that. I guess those moral vultures living outside of that pulse will learn that lesson............

Throughout the world, the use of malicious force seems to be used illegally as a tool to exercise more state power over millions of innocent people. Out of this display, children begin to see value in lying and abandon values because they see adults lie constantly only to profit and be rewarded without consequence. Not this time around. There is a wheel of possibilities as to who should fill that jail cell and set an example. Media and legal statisticians are still working out the final tally as to the number of perjuries committed. Stay tuned."

Catalina

 

[MechaBlade]

I voted Victim. I know he's weird, but I think if there were even a shred of concrete evidence, they would have convicted him.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Just been reading the interview with Thomas Messereau after the verdict and it has been even more enlightening and portrays the MJ I think most fans know and believe in. He spoke of how open, honest, down to earth, loving, and creative he is and how overly trusting he is in his desire to help others. As he also pointed out when asked about Tom Sneddon's accusations that this was a celebrity trial (as in treated differently because MJ is a celebrity and inferring that was why he was not convicted), it was a celebrity trial etc., but not from the juror's or defence POV, but from the prosecutions own actions and approach. As he said, even murders and serial killer cases do not use 70 sheriffs (as they did on Neverland) to raid the property of a suspect, nor do they come up with such weak and bizarre theories such as MJ abducting, holding hostage, and planning to ship a family to Brazil to boost his finances. It could make a good comedy.

"MESEREAU: I do. I think that he was treated in a way that no one else would've been similarly treated. It was because he was a mega-celebrity. Why 70 sheriffs searching Neverland Ranch, based upon what this accuser and his family said, before they'd even investigated the background of the accuser and his family?.....It had to have cost them many millions of dollars. I have been told that the board of supervisors of Santa Barbara county has been up in arms about the cost of this case and if you look at the number of sheriffs and investigators and experts and people and prosecutors put on this case, it's absurd. They wouldn't do it in a murder case. They wouldn't do it in a serial killer case, but they did it because Michael Jackson is a superstar and they wanted to take a superstar down."

And when asked about the possibility of filing a malicious prosecution case against the DA office: "I think it would be warranted but I have not discussed it with Michael Jackson. We just got the verdict, you know, recently. He's now recovering. Nobody has really discussed that issue. But if you ask me..........But do I think this was done maliciously and unfairly? Absolutely."


It was good to see the increased sales figures on the 13th.

"Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection
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Off the Wall [Bonus Tracks]
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Thriller [Bonus Tracks]
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Number Ones
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Catalina