Min wage, that was then, this is now...now is different from then

[Real_American11]

No it doesn't.

Yes it does.

You're right, it would just take significantly longer to do it.

Less, time, less money, better quality, and more liberty if the government is not involved.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

Less, time, less money, better quality, and more liberty if the government is not involved.

Then how come it failed to do that?

If the free market were so on top of everything there would have NEVER been a government to begin with.

 

[Real_American11]

No it doesn't.

Yes it does.

Then how come it failed to do that?

It didn't. Idiots like you just prefer socialism and the government is more than happy to grab more power and steal money.

If the free market were so on top of everything there would have NEVER been a government to begin with.

What an idiotic statement.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes it does.

It didn't. Idiots like you just prefer socialism and the government is more than happy to grab more power and steal money.

What an idiotic statement.

No it doesn't.

If the free market had provided we wouldn't have bugged the government for it.

If it's so idiotic then how come you can't refute it?

How come you can't point to one single libertarian success story in the history of ever?

If what you say is true then why isn't Somalia running the fuckin' world?

How come every major super power that has EVER existed was a socialist one of one flavor or another??

 

[Real_American11]

No it doesn't.

Yes it does.

If the free market had provided we wouldn't have bugged the government for it.

Wrong the government just grabbed power, time went by and idiots like you think it's great.

If it's so idiotic then how come you can't refute it?

Nothing to refute, it falls apart all on it's own.

How come you can't point to one single libertarian success story in the history of ever?

Too many.

If what you say is true then why isn't Somalia running the fuckin' world?

Several reason, primarily because they're black. But it's a long list of problems.

Also, they aren't libertarians, and don't share the American/British history that led us to greatness.

Different cultures and beliefs.

How come every major super power that has EVER existed was a socialist one of one flavor or another??

Wrong.

Also, the USA is the only super power. Unless you mean some ancient empire relative to it's contemporary peers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

more libertarian fantasies

 

[Real_American11]

more libertarian fantasies

more socialist autofellatio

Hey you dirty nigger, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3sN9KDEfXY&t=28m20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3sN9KDEfXY&t=39m23s

You filthy Jew, read this:
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2012/03/crony-capitalism-is-fascism

 

[BotanyBoy]

more socialist autofellatio

Hey you dirty nigger, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3sN9KDEfXY&t=28m20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3sN9KDEfXY&t=39m23s

You filthy Jew, read this:
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2012/03/crony-capitalism-is-fascism

No, you see I can point to socialism working....it picks up my trash and is currently fixing potholes just down the road. It put man on the moon and launched the tech boom we now enjoy. Not to mention the pile of F-22's just a ways down the highway.

Capitalism? It bought DC and is currently fucking us to death.

Free market libertarianism? LOL doesn't exist and everywhere it's tried is a complete fucking shit hole.

 

[Real_American11]

No, you see I can point to socialism working....it picks up my trash and is currently fixing potholes just down the road. It put man on the moon and launched the tech boom we now enjoy. Not to mention the pile of F-22's just a ways down the highway.

Capitalism? It bought DC and is currently fucking us to death.

Free market libertarianism? LOL doesn't exist and everywhere it's tried is a complete fucking shit hole.

What a fool you are, capitalism is the only way. Socialism leads to slavery and death.

It is the end of human life.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What a fool you are, capitalism is the only way. Socialism leads to slavery and death.

It is the end of human life.

Trash got taken out and not one but 2 potholes on my street were fixed today leaving zero potholes and it didn't lead to any slavery or death.

THANKS SOCIALISM!!

 

[Real_American11]

Trash got taken out and not one but 2 potholes on my street were fixed today leaving zero potholes and it didn't lead to any slavery or death.

In the free market, there are no pot holes or trash. Everything is perfect.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In the free market, there are no pot holes or trash. Everything is perfect.

I'm sure.

That must be why we came up with all the socialism because everything was so perfect.

Know what else is perfect? F-22's... THANKS SOCIALISM!!

 

[renard_ruse]

Krugperson is the most obnoxious, hateful, closed minded, partisan extremist I think I've ever heard.

She/he makes some of the alts on here look open minded and centrist. No reason to take her/him seriously, she/he is just a political hatemonger with some mental issue of some sort.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Krugperson is the most obnoxious, hateful, closed minded, partisan extremist I think I've ever heard.

She/he makes some of the alts on here look open minded and centrist. No reason to take her/him seriously, she/he is just a political hatemonger with some mental issue of some sort.

Whoz Krugperson?

 

[Real_American11]

Krugperson

Who dat be?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

In the free market, there are no pot holes or trash. Everything is perfect.

I see that you're expanding on the number of things you know nothing about. It wasn't a challenge by the way, it was glaringly obvious before that your education was somewhat lacking on a broad scope.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Trash got taken out and not one but 2 potholes on my street were fixed today leaving zero potholes and it didn't lead to any slavery or death.

THANKS SOCIALISM!!

Likeise, heavy winds took down several trees that blocked a nearby road. Not a single slave was employed in the cleanup. Hell they even left the nicely stacked wood on the side of the road with a sign that read " free firewood".

 

[BotanyBoy]

Likeise, heavy winds took down several trees that blocked a nearby road. Not a single slave was employed in the cleanup. Hell they even left the nicely stacked wood on the side of the road with a sign that read " free firewood".

*nodz*

Mmmmmhmmm.


If you have nice long dry warm summers there it might even be good this winter!

I heat my house with a wood burner, not the latest and greatest but pretty efficient model. With a little planning and some hard work it's wonderfully cheap too with the abundance of fuel to be had.

 

[Real_American11]

I see that you're expanding on the number of things you know nothing about. It wasn't a challenge by the way, it was glaringly obvious before that your education was somewhat lacking on a broad scope.

In other words, I'm right and you don't like it?

Typical of you SJW progressive types, not surprising in the least.

 

[srgreene]

No it doesn't.

Where to begin with your foul-mouthed twaddle, BB?

If the free market had provided we wouldn't have bugged the government for it.

First question you might ask is who is "We"? Moreover, nobody with any credibility ever claimed that a free market would provide for all human desires or needs. But government can promise on the basis of illusion (e.g. 70 trillions dollars in unfunded liabilities that show up nowhere in annual budgets- a private business that ran its accounting that way would soon have the SEC breathing down their neck [ok, as Bernie Madoff demonstrated, perhaps not so "soon"]). A legitimate business has to deal with reality.

How come you can't point to one single libertarian success story in the history of ever?

To the extent that freedom has been tried, it has been successful. However, you show no understanding of what constitutes a free society. The latter half of the 19th century in the USA, a golden age of capitalism, witnessed the greatest economic growth in history up to that point. And the USA was, 90+% at least, a libertarian society, from an economic perspective, anyway. When Japan embraced free market capitalism a generation or so after the USA, a similar dramatic flourishing of economic activity resulted.


If what you say is true then why isn't Somalia running the fuckin' world?

Your very question about Somalia indicates a profound ignorance of what constitutes the basis of a free society. It is not a society in which might makes right. It is a system in which property rights are respected- by a governing authority- and you have the opportunity to succeed or fail unfettered by government. But in that system, your freedom to move your fists stops where my nose begins and, for better or worse, government must define that boundary. Somalia has descended, at least partially, into anarchy where thugs rule.

Speaking of reality, you seem to labor under the assumption that you have a genuine measure of insight. Your only reveal a pathetic ignorance. You do do much worse than read a bit of the literature of freedom, a concept that is daily imperiled by people like you.


I realize I have treated your words harshly, but permit me to ask you a question. Why do you think your existence imposes some requirement on me to act on your behalf?

 

[BotanyBoy]

First question you might ask is who is "We"?

We = the voting citizenry of these United States of America.

Your very question about Somalia indicates a profound ignorance of what constitutes the basis of a free society.

No it doesn't, it indicates the libertarian delusion that the magic hand of the market is the cure all be all answer to all of humanities woes.

You do do much worse than read a bit of the literature of freedom, a concept that is daily imperiled by people like you.

How so?

I realize I have treated your words harshly, but permit me to ask you a question. Why do you think your existence imposes some requirement on me to act on your behalf?

Because as a member of a social species living in a community, that's the reality of life.

You are free to leave at any time.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

A bit dated, but indicative of the issue is this chart showing actual wage and adjusted for inflation.

Real wage peaked in 1968 at $1.60 = $10.86 in 2015$. Ever since then there has been no reason for our overlords to raise real wages.

Your numbers come a lefty site called RAISETHEMINIMUMWAGE.COM and are wrong.

In 2014 the real number was $8.64 if the 1968 number was $1.60. 2 dollars wrong, Einstink. In 1967 the MW was 1.40.

What Einstink suggests is a 100% increase that will lift all wages 100%.

This state tried it back about 2000. All the bottom feeders wanted what the big boys earned, and got it. Then overnite all the big boys transferred outta the high paid shit work and took the jobs of the pampered princesses working 8-5 Monday-Friday. Why work nites and weekends for the same money the girls got. So the state hadda pay more for the boys to do the shit work.

 

[srgreene]

We = the voting citizenry of these United States of America.

Morality by popluar vote. You are a moral cretin, whose sense of what is right depends on the vagaries of popular sentiment, which is largely that of a mob. As Robert Heinlein put it, the IQ of a mob is equal to the average IQ of a person in the mob divided by the number of such "mobsters". Sorry, you moral cretin, but if something is wrong for one person to do, it is wrong for a group, no matter what the preponderance of numbers may be.


ME: You do do much worse than read a bit of the literature of freedom, a concept that is daily imperiled by people like you.

YOU: How so?

Gad, what ignorance you betray whenever you open your mouth. You would trample freedom and not even know it. But since your moral code is simply a variant of might-makes-right, that matters little to you. Just some rights that have been curtailed by the federal government over the past couple of generations:

1. I cannot work for less than a stipulated wage (unless, of course, I fall into some category to which the government decides to grant an exception).

2. As an employer, I have to have one eye on the bureaucracy when I hire someone: am I getting the "right" number of whatever group as managed to push a claim through a legislature. And these bureaucrats can nibble me to death by their harassing inquiries whether or not their is clear evidence of any violations of the law.

3. If I want to provide medical insurance to my employees, that insurance might provdie for a host of benefits that neither I, nor my employees, want to pay for.

3. I cannot allow into my business those I wish t o allow. Sorry, painful- and objectionable- as it is, I should have the right to say, "No Jews or Chinese allowed" (I am neither, and would not wish to patronize a business with such a policy- but neither should such a policy be illegal).

4. If I want to sell the wheat that I grow, or the milk that my cows produce, I must comply with a rate structure set by USDA. And oh yes, it doesn't matter whether or not that wheat is shipped across state lines- you see, per a Supreme Court decision, the wheat that I sold within my own state affects wheat that would have been sold in interstate commerce, so, by the merry reasoning of the Supremes, intrastate commerce can be regulated under the laws of interstate commerce.

MY QUESTION: Why do you think your existence imposes a requirement on me to act on your behalf:

YOUR RESPONSE: Because as a member of a social species living in a community, that's the reality of life.

What a pathetically ignorant response, but it does show your moral code in action, llimy, mindless collectivist drivel that it is. But thank you for making it crystal clear you think of me as your slave. Sorry BB, but your wants- or your needs- impose no moral imperative for me to on your behalf. Depending on who you are, and what you need, and what my own situation is, I may choose to help you, but you have no right whatsoever to demand that of me. Nor do you and your gang of thugs demanding that I act on your behalf.

You are free to leave at any time.

About what I would expect of someone of your minimal intellect.

 

[srgreene]

I don't believe it's an outlier that Washington state has the fastest growing economy of any state since instituting a $15 minimum wage. Correlation doesn't equal causation. But, at the very least, we can see that a higher minimum wage is not detrimental to the potential of a state's economy.

No, Neon, we cannot see that. It takes time and careful study to show the impact of these laws. Short term growth rates are a f unction of many factors, and a long term handicap to growth and employment may not show up immediately.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Morality by popluar vote.

Not morality, rule of law.

They are not the same thing no matter how badly you wish they were.

1. I cannot work for less than a stipulated wage

How sad for you. And yep rules = loss of freedom.

Sometimes freedom isn't better.

YOUR RESPONSE: Because as a member of a social species living in a community, that's the reality of life.

What a pathetically ignorant response,

About what I would expect of someone of your minimal intellect.

Yet here we are...living in that reality.