Min wage, that was then, this is now...now is different from then

[Real_American11]

If you could find any examples of this ever happening I might buy that.

History is filled with it, and just look at any private option of a government service.

Compare FedEx to USPS.

But reality shows that capitalism and socialism together actually work better than either or.

No such thing, the mid point between the two systems is crony-capitalism and fascism.

You can't even say how I'm the enemy of freedom which is why you wish I was dead.

Everything you say is hateful Un-American communist garbage.

 

[BotanyBoy]

History is filled with it, and just look at any private option of a government service.

Education, sanitation, infrastructure, energy, policing, space exploration, the tech boom.....yep government did all that far better.

Compare FedEx to USPS.

They both suck shit, ruin everything you hand them and the government option is cheaper.

No such thing, the mid point between the two systems is crony-capitalism and fascism.

Everything you say is hateful Un-American communist garbage.

Yes there is, and you're simply wrong about this entire comment.

 

[Real_American11]

Education, sanitation, infrastructure, energy, policing, space exploration, the tech boom.....yep government did all that far better.

Wrong, private industry does them all better.

Schools, private are better. Sanitation, private is better. We were building roads before the government was formed. Everything else, hell the space industry is private now, NASA is basically dead. And hasn't done anything in generations.

They both suck shit, ruin everything you hand them and the government option is cheaper.

Dishonest cretin.

Yes there is, and you're simply wrong about this entire comment.

So says the evil baby killing communism supporting piece of shit...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wrong, private industry does them all better.

If it did then we wouldn't have gotten the government to do it.

Schools, private are better.

Then why has West Point been the #1 educational institution in the country practically since it opened it's doors?

MIT the front running tech institute....state owned/run.

That's socialism....kicking private industries ass.

Sanitation, private is better. We were building roads before the government was formed. Everything else, hell the space industry is private now, NASA is basically dead. And hasn't done anything in generations.

And it's also funded by taxes which make it socialism despite the fact that you gave the bureaucrats running the place a business licence.

Space industry is private and it can't even lick NASA's nuts yet.

Name a private company that's done more for space exploration than NASA....riiiiight. Maybe one day private companies will catch up, but it will probably be another 50 years.

Dishonest cretin.

So says the evil baby killing communism supporting piece of shit...

That's not dishonest that's the truth.

I've never supported communism.

 

[Real_American11]

If it did then we wouldn't have gotten the government to do it.

Wrong.

Then why has West Point been the #1 educational institution in the country practically since it opened it's doors?

It hasn't, and it's better than most because it's military and they don't like wacky liberal professors singing about the wonders of Stalin's mustache.

MIT the front running tech institute....state owned/run.

State, not federal. Smaller government is better than bigger government, private is better than both.

Also MIT is private.

And it's also funded by taxes which make it socialism despite the fact that you gave the bureaucrats running the place a business licence.

What are you talking about? It's a private company that provides a service to individuals, companies, and municipal governments for a fee. Is Boeing not private because the government buys planes from them?

Space industry is private and it can't even lick NASA's nuts yet.

It's shitting on NASA, all NASA does is give money to nerds so they don't have to work at the DMV or SS.

Name a private company that's done more for space exploration than NASA....riiiiight.

SpaceQuest, Bigelow Aerospace, SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, SpaceDev, etc.

Maybe one day private companies will catch up, but it will probably be another 50 years.

So you concede that if not now, then in the future?

That's not dishonest that's the truth.

Liar.

I've never supported communism.

Everything you support is communism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wrong.

Right.

It hasn't, and it's better than most because it's socialism.

Correct.

Also MIT is private.

Massachusetts is a private company now?

Woooooooow.....you really should go get checked out.

Pretty much all state schools have been turned into private profiteering rackets due to fear of socialism and the need to inject corporate interest into EVERYTHING.

What are you talking about? It's a private company that provides a service to individuals, companies, and municipal governments for a fee.

Not a fee....taxes...and that makes it socialism.

It's shitting on NASA,

Really? Tell me how many people have private companies landed on extra terrestrial surfaces?

How many space telescopes have private companies put up in orbit or on the dark side of the moon to open our view of the universe?

What about space probes....how many private probes have sent piles of data about our solar system/universe back to Earth?

Private industry isn't even close to NASA's level, they are back where NASA was in 65'.

 

[Real_American11]

Right.

Wrong.

Correct.

Wrong.

Massachusetts is a private company now?

So companies with "America" in their names are not private?

Not a fee....taxes...and that makes it socialism.

$31.50 per month is a fee.

Really? Tell me how many people have private companies landed on extra terrestrial surfaces?

How many space telescopes have private companies put up in orbit or on the dark side of the moon to open our view of the universe?

What about space probes....how many private probes have sent piles of data about our solar system/universe back to Earth?

Who cares? That's not profitable. But NASA will be paying these private companies to get their equipment into orbit.

Private industry isn't even close to NASA's level.

That's right it's above them.

Name ten things that NASA has done in the last 10 years, and explain why they are important and why my tax dollars are being stolen to pay for it?

 

[BotanyBoy]

$31.50 per month is a fee.

not when its paid to and collected by the government, we call that taxation, socialism.

Police? Socialism

Military? Socialism.

Who cares?

The people of the United States of America, and most of the science community which you allegedly support.

That's right it's above them.

In what way? What have they accomplished?

FAILURE and sucking up government funding.

Name ten things that NASA has done in the last 10 years, and explain why they are important and why my tax dollars are being stolen to pay for it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASA_missions

Because your society says they are.

 

[Real_American11]

not when its paid to and collected by the government, we call that taxation, socialism.

You're a retard. That money is charged to the individual. Is your cable bill socialism?

Police? Socialism

Military? Socialism.

Neither police nor military require taxes. It could be paid for voluntarily by citizens to the government or private companies could provide the same service for profit.

Individuals in a community choosing to combine their money for a common purpose is not socialism.

When a group of co-workers decide to pool their money for lottery tickets, that not socialism.

The people of the United States of America, and most of the science community which you allegedly support.

That doesn't support why NASA should exist or why it is superior to a private organization.

FAILURE and sucking up government funding.

That's all NASA is good for. We landed on the fucking moon over 50 years ago... what the hell have they been doing over their? Looking at midget porn and picking their belly buttons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASA_missions

So literally nothing of any value... gotcha.

Because your society says they are.

IS that why their funding keeps getting cut? Sounds like society doesn't give a shit about NASA, here's an example.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a retard. That money is charged to the individual. Is your cable bill socialism?

Taxes are charged to individuals too. And considering the ammount of legal protection/subsidies cable companies get you could make a damn good argument that it is.

Neither police nor military require taxes.

It could be paid for voluntarily by citizens to the government or private companies could provide the same service for profit.

It could be but they weren't because that doesn't work in the real world so we tax and hire cops/military....because socialism works better.

Individuals in a community choosing to combine their money for a common purpose is not socialism.

That is EXACTLY what socialism is, old cranky Muricans thinking 1950 is going to make a come back are the only people in denial about that.

That doesn't support why NASA should exist or why it is superior to a private organization.

Yes it does.

It's superior because it's done more for space exploration than any private organization ever has.

That's all NASA is good for.

Then how come they have been so much more successful than private companies?

IS that why their funding keeps getting cut?

Because we keep not taxing rich people.

 

[Real_American11]

Taxes are charged to individuals too.

So you don't see the difference between paying taxes to the government and paying for burgers at Wendy's?

Check, now I see what an idiot I've been dealing with here.

It could be but they weren't because that doesn't work in the real world so we tax and hire cops/military....because socialism works better.

Private always does it better.

That is EXACTLY what socialism is

Wrong.

old cranky Muricans thinking 1950 is going to make a come back are the only people in denial about that.

It will, because the only opposition is from low intelligence, weak cowardly pussies like yourself... scum like you are like bugs on the windshield... not even worth slowing down for.

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

It's superior because it's done more for space exploration than any private organization ever has.

No it hasn't.

Then how come they have been so much more successful than private companies?

They haven't. But lucky for NASA it gets money from the government regardless of what it does.

Because we keep not taxing rich people.

Rich people pay more taxes than poor.

Most poor people spend their entire lives on welfare, social security, and other handouts, from cradle to grave... never once contributing to society or paying taxes.

They are parasites feeding off of the labor of hard working Americans and our capitalism. Capitalism is the like a loyal dog or dependable horse... socialism is like the heart worms that kills it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So you don't see the difference between paying taxes to the government and paying for burgers at Wendy's?

Dressing the country/city contracted trashman up in a Wendy's costume doesn't make it a private industry. Besides I write a check to the city/country (depending on property) for mine....where I come from that's called a tax.

Private always does it better.

No it doesn't, otherwise we wouldn't have all the kick ass government shit that we do have. Private industry would have built the F-22....private industry would have put man into outerspace....spurred the technology era.

Rich people pay more taxes than poor.

Good they need to pay more, we are seriously in debt and 7.50/hr just doesn't have it.

 

[Real_American11]

Dressing the country/city contracted trashman up in a Wendy's costume doesn't make it a private industry. Besides I write a check to the city/country (depending on property) for mine....where I come from that's called a tax.

Okay, got it... you don't understand the difference between paying taxes to the government and paying private companies for products and services...

No it doesn't, otherwise we wouldn't have all the kick ass government shit that we do have. Private industry would have built the F-22....private industry would have put man into outerspace....spurred the technology era.

Well when government can just steal as much money as they want and do whatever they want, it makes competing kinda hard... especially when they can makes laws to protect their monopolies.

Also, private industry has put men into outer space, and private industry is who built the F-22.

When the government pays a company to design and manufacture something, it doesn't mean the government made it. Just like when I order a taco with extra sour cream and jalapenos it doesn't mean I cooked the food.

Good they need to pay more, we are seriously in debt and 7.50/hr just doesn't have it.

Filthy scum like you aren't worth a corn of shit/hr and that's the truth Sambo.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay, got it... you don't understand the difference between paying taxes to the government and paying private companies for products and services...

City/County/State is a private company now?

When you give the state money, and get goods/services in return, that's socialism.

From Police, trash services and road maintenance to F-22's. 100% socialism.

Also, private industry has put men into outer space,

Not anywhere near as many or for as long as socialism has, and it's about 50 years behind socialism not to mention riding it's coat tails on pretty much ALL the base technology that nearly 70 years of socialism has provided them.

and private industry is who built the F-22.

Really? What private people are buying F-22's?

Without the taxpayer, the socialist machine and all its uber black ops mega bux budget and NASA research the F-22 would have NEVER have happened.

When the government pays a company to design and manufacture something, it doesn't mean the government made it.

When they pay for it with money they got from taxing citizens it does.

Putting a government employee in a wendys outfit and giving them a tax ID number doesn't make it capitalism.

 

[Real_American11]

City/County/State is a private company now?

It sad what progressivism has done to your mind, you're hardly above the intelligence of a goldfish.

Not anywhere near as many or for as long as socialism has, and it's about 50 years behind socialism not to mention riding it's coat tails on pretty much ALL the base technology that nearly 70 years of socialism has provided them.

It's all private industry that got NASA where it was, and NASA screwed it up and sat on it's hands doing nothing for over 50 years, so now private industry is going to hammer the final nail it it's coffin.

Really? What private people are buying F-22's?

You don't understand anything do you? Go find a hugbox you sad little faggot. Private companies make F-22's. A government buying an F-22 is not socialism. When the government forces people to pay taxes that are used to pay for the F-22 that is socialism.

Without the taxpayer, the socialist machine and all its uber black ops mega bux budget and NASA research the F-22 would have NEVER have happened.

Wrong, private does it better, faster, and cheaper.

When they pay for it with money they got from taxing citizens it does.

You're a faggot and a retard. How does the government buying a product from a company become the same as the government making the product?

When you buy a pick-up truck from Ford, does that mean you built the truck?

Putting a government employee in a wendys outfit and giving them a tax ID number doesn't make it capitalism.

What a disgustingly retarded parasite you are.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It sad what progressivism has done to your mind, you're hardly above the intelligence of a goldfish.

So you think the city/county/state is a private company.....

If you hate socialism just make the state "Private"! LOL that's brilliant!

It's all private industry that got NASA where it was,

Then how come it took the government to get it done?

Why didn't a corporation put man on the moon?

Hint: it's because Socialism does some things better than capitalism.

Like picking up trash and building F-22's.

When the government forces people to pay taxes that are used to pay for the F-22 that is socialism.

And without the government doing that there would be no F-22's.

Wrong, private does it better, faster, and cheaper.

There you go in the fantasy wold.

When you buy a pick-up truck from Ford, does that mean you built the truck

If I paid for the entire thing from concept design to rolling off the end of the assembly line, yes. And if the money I used to pay for it was taxpayer dollars then it's called socialism and Ford is a government employee.

 

[Real_American11]

So you think the city/county/state is a private company.....

You don't even know the difference, you think buying a Big Mac is the same as paying taxes.

If you hate socialism just make the state "Private"! LOL that's brilliant!

It already is, the problem is it's owned by the Zionists.

Then how come it took the government to get it done?

Because it didn't need to be done... it's like asking why it took the family pet to shit on the living room floor and then using that as an example of the need and superiority of the pet compared to anything else.

Why didn't a corporation put man on the moon?

Because it wasn't worth doing, and since after going to the moon we basically just said fuck it and haven't done anything in 50 years I'd say private business was right.

Also, who did the government pay to design and build the technology needed? That's right the government paid private companies.

Hint: it's because Socialism does some things better than capitalism.

Better at spending money on things of no value, sure.

Like picking up trash and building F-22's.

Many trash collection trucks in the US are owned and operated by private business. They charge a fee to individuals and businesses for their service, some charge municipal governments for their service.

And they do it better than the ones owned and operated by city governments.

F-22s are designed and built by private business.

And without the government doing that there would be no F-22's.

So? They build military aircraft.

Hell the first aircraft only exist because of free enterprise and American ingenuity. Were the Wright Brothers contracted by the government? Nope, two guys working in their garage.

There you go in the fantasy wold.

It's called reality, get used to it.

If I paid for the entire thing from concept design to rolling off the end of the assembly line, yes.

No, if you pay me to bake a cake, I am the one that baked the cake.

And if the money I used to pay for it was taxpayer dollars then it's called socialism and Ford is a government employee.

Wrong, were the customer gets their money has no bearing on whether the transaction is capitalism or socialism.

Man public schools have really fucked up your mind.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You don't even know the difference, you think buying a Big Mac is the same as paying taxes.

If I'm paying the government to deliver that Big Mac without the option of telling them to take that big mac and fuck themselves with it, that's a tax.

Because it didn't need to be done...
Because it wasn't worth doing,

Need no.

Worth yes, it spawned the technology boom that threw us 40 years ahead of everyone else. That was money well spent.

From stealth fighters and GPS to i-phucks and fiber optic telecommunications.....all where they are now because we threw trillions of tax dollars at developing a laundry list of technologies that make all these things possible.

Also, who did the government pay to design and build the technology needed? That's right the government paid private companies.

With money they stole from you....because socialism.

Many trash collection trucks in the US are owned and operated by private business.

Dressing a government employee up in a private business tax ID doesn't make them a private business. It's a facade people like you dreamed up to avoid admitting how much you love all that evil socialism you benefit from.

They charge a fee to individuals and businesses for their service, some charge municipal governments for their service.

No they get a city/county/state contract and the state levies a tax. Socialism.

F-22s are designed and built by private business.

Only because the US government went and took a few hundred billion dollars from rich people and gave it to that private business.

If the government hadn't done that, F-22's would not exist and Lockheed Martin would be a fraction of it's current size competing with airbus/Boeing for commercial customers.

Wrong, were the customer gets their money has no bearing on whether the transaction is capitalism or socialism.

Oh so you don't mind taxing and taking out loans from China then right?

Because that's where that customer gets their money and you call it socialism all the time.

Is taxation socialism or not?

 

[Real_American11]

If I'm paying the government to deliver that Big Mac without the option of telling them to take that big mac and fuck themselves with it, that's a tax.

The government taxing you to fund things is the socialism.

The private company accepting payment from a customer is not.

Need no.

Nonsense, it's capitalism and the free market that have improved America and the world. It's big government and socialism that are destroying it.

With money they stole from you....because socialism.

The private company accepting payment from a customer is not.

Dressing a government employee up in a private business tax ID doesn't make them a private business.

Starting a business that provides a service to government is still a private business.

Does Microsoft become part of the Russian government when they release Office in Cyrillic?

No they get a city/county/state contract and the state levies a tax. Socialism.

They also do business directly with individuals for a fee.

The private company accepting payment from a government is not socialism.

Only because the US government went and took a few hundred billion dollars from rich people and gave it to that private business.

The private company accepting payment from a government is not socialism.

If the government hadn't done that, F-22's would not exist and Lockheed Martin would be a fraction of it's current size competing with airbus/Boeing for commercial customers.

You're point? Government contracts are all based on corruption.

It's not awarded to the company with the best or cheapest product, it's so the friends and family of politicians and bureaucrats can steal the money for their own pockets.

You communist piece of shit!

Oh so you don't mind taxing and taking out loans from China then right?

How is taking a loan socialist? You're a fucking idiot and have no clue what you're even talking about.

Is taxation socialism or not?

Not in of it self, but the way taxes are taken and spent in this country are.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The government taxing you to fund things is the socialism.

Which makes everything provided with those tax dollars SOCIALISM.

The private company accepting payment from a customer is not.

When the private company would not exist or exist anything close to the way it does without sucking up all those socialist dollars it's close enough.

You're point?

The F-22 is provided to us by Socialism.

How is taking a loan socialist?

It's on the name of the tax payer.

Not in of it self, but the way taxes are taken and spent in this country are.

OH really?

When exactly is the government taxing people not socialism?

 

[sr71plt]

When exactly is the government taxing people not socialism?

Tilt. Communist systems tax people, as do capitalist systems, fascist systems, and monarchies and church states. The tax isn't what makes anything socialism or not--it what is done with the tax money.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Tilt. Communist systems tax people, as do capitalist systems, fascist systems, and monarchies and church states. The tax isn't what makes anything socialism or not--it what is done with the tax money.

So then do tell....what taxes aren't socialism??

Because

https://www.boysstuff.co.uk/uploaded/prod_zoom_left/bullshitbuzzer2.jpg

 

[Real_American11]

Which makes everything provided with those tax dollars SOCIALISM.

But it doesn't make a private business selling things to a government socialism.

If I steal your money to buy something, the store isn't stealing by unknowingly accepting stolen money.

When the private company would not exist or exist anything close to the way it does without sucking up all those socialist dollars it's close enough.

Without government interference and crony-capitalism and fascism, business and the free market would be doing even better and have much more competition.

The F-22 is provided to us by Socialism.

No, private business created it.

It's on the name of the tax payer.

Taking taxes to pay back the loan is socialism. Getting the loan in the first place isn't.

When exactly is the government taxing people not socialism?

If people had a say in what taxes they paid and for what purpose it would not be socialism.

Tilt. Communist systems tax people, as do capitalist systems, fascist systems, and monarchies and church states. The tax isn't what makes anything socialism or not--it what is done with the tax money.

BotanyBoy is a raging communist and tacks the mental processing to understand any of this.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But it doesn't make a private business selling things to a government socialism.

If I steal your money to buy something, the store isn't stealing by unknowingly accepting stolen money.

Yes it does.

When you get a Treasury check from the government there is no way the person cashing it doesn't know where that money came from.

Says where it came from right on the front or right on the digital ledger under deposits 'US Treasury' .......that means socialism.

Without government interference and crony-capitalism and fascism, business and the free market would be doing even better and have much more competition.

You can't name a single place on Earth that's true.

No, private business created it.

With socialism.

If people had a say in what taxes they paid and for what purpose it would not be socialism.

They do. So according to you right here in this statement, there is zero socialism in the USA!!

Why are you do angry about socialism then?

 

[Real_American11]

Yes it does.

When you get a Treasury check from the government there is no way the person cashing it doesn't know where that money came from.

Says where it came from right on the front or right on the digital ledger under deposits 'US Treasury' .......that means socialism.

And because the government says it is legal, the business treats it as legal and not stolen money.

You can't name a single place on Earth that's true.

I said parts of Scandinavia.

Anyway, your logic is flawed. If I'm saying "doing x causes y" but everyone is "doing a and causing b" that doesn't disprove my claim. You show me a place doing x that isn't causing y.

You can't do it.

With socialism.

Wrong, you don't even know the meaning of the word.

They do. So according to you right here in this statement, there is zero socialism in the USA!!

Wrong, people don't have a say in what taxes they pay or what it's spent on.

You vote for politicians, the politicians tax whatever they want and spend it on whatever they want.