Navalny - Death by Putin

[PaxNurgle]

^Why is that nonsense? It's a valid point; Trump has explicitly said he wants that same power for himself.
You do pay attention to what trump says do you not? And lets be perfectly honest here; you would be happy if Trump did have that same power for himself.

 

[jaF0]

Let's not forget that India and China do the same kind of thing.

And there is this:
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Anger mounts in EU over killing of Russian defector in Spain, Ukraine losses​

European Union leaders are scrambling to confront the dangers posed by Russia as it makes battlefield gains and turns ever more roguish. The killing of a Russian military defector in Spain was seen as fresh evidence of Moscow's criminal behavior.

 

[ll74]

Let's not forget that India and China do the same kind of thing.

And there is this:
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Anger mounts in EU over killing of Russian defector in Spain, Ukraine losses​

European Union leaders are scrambling to confront the dangers posed by Russia as it makes battlefield gains and turns ever more roguish. The killing of a Russian military defector in Spain was seen as fresh evidence of Moscow's criminal behavior.

Dan Crenshaw was on one of my podcasts I listened to today and he said it succinctly..... Do you support chaos or stability? Russia (and other dictatorships) actively pursue chaos. The future that they want is what occurred pre world war 2.

 

[ll74]

More sanctions announced against Russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1759983510213865806

 

[jaF0]

Sanctions don't seem to do much when we have 'friends' like India who fully disregard them.

 

[KeithD]

Sanctions don't seem to do much when we have 'friends' like India who fully disregard them.

Placing a marker and using symbolism might be all to be gotten in this case. That and bringing it up constantly.

What else do you suggest? Up aid to Ukraine? That's hardly in the administration's basket of tricks at the moment. Need to talk to someone else about that.

 

[Lazaran]

Placing a marker and using symbolism might be all to be gotten in this case. That and bringing it up constantly.

What else do you suggest? Up aid to Ukraine? That's hardly in the administration's basket of tricks at the moment. Need to talk to someone else about that.

Yeah, if only there was a way to do something more than just sanction Putin and Russia…

 

[KeithD]

Yeah, if only there was a way to do something more than just sanction Putin and Russia…

If the Republicans in the House would do it. Upping the amount and the quality of weapons systems very publicly would make the point to Putin.

 

[goldytheGoldfish]

Give them time.

They'll find some way to twist all of this around and blame Biden and/or The Democrats for Navalny's death. It's just what they do.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/alexei-navalnys-widow-vows-to-continue-his-fight-for-a-free-russia

"Dmitry Peskov, Spokesman for Vladimir Putin (through interpreter): An investigation is under way, and all necessary actions in this regard are being carried out. But, so far, the results of this investigation have not been made public, and, in fact, they're unknown. Therefore, in conditions when there is no valid information, we believe that it is absolutely inadmissible to make such, well, frankly, boorish statements."

 

[Lazaran]

If the Republicans in the House would do it. Upping the amount and the quality of weapons systems very publicly would make the point to Putin.

Ironically, the "republicans " CLAIM they wanted to flood Ukraine with more (AND more advanced) weapons back in the early stages of the war when Ukraine’s commitment to defending their Democracy (and their ability to do so) was unknown - AND when those more advanced weapons would have been practically useless due to the Ukrainian’s lack of training on them.



But NOW, when the Ukrainians HAVE been familiarized with / trained on those advanced western weapons and COULD use them to great effect, the "republicans" are holding them back… for "some" reason.

 

[Rick345]

The GOP is not on record for their support of Putin, that is a Democrat media construction.

October, Trump described Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “genius” and “savvy”

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said in a radio interview with “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.” “He used the word ‘independent’ and ‘we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.’ You gotta say that’s pretty savvy.”

Are you saying Trump is no longer a GOP leader?

 

[TallMan69]

Documentary on max (HBO MAX currently) about Navalny just dropped. The more I see and hear about the man, the more impressed I am.

And Putin refuses to say his name, even though he had him poisoned.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/russia-history-of-poisoning-its-enemies/100984912

https://www.hbomax.com/feature/urn:hbo:feature:GYmFp9ATv1JSBmwEAAACW

Me too. And his crack team that figured out Putin and his goons were all over the attacks on him. His bravery in the face of eminent danger. It’s heartening to see the following he has. His humor, courage, humility. He reminds me a lot of Zelensky.

 

[gxnn]

How many killed is a good 'standard' number to use in comparison to Putin's count on his death list? And how is the delay of the war for years a measure of his abilities to run a bureaucracy?

The same question can be asked to the representative (and the government behind her) of the USA in the UN security council, who time and again blocked the passage of ceasefire between Hamas and Israel against the majority of the member states of the UN.

So far, many Ukraine people can enjoy their life and post texts or pictures or videos on social media 2 years into the armed conflict with Russia, but what about Gaza where even unarmed and innocent women and kids were killed as terrorists alike? If Putin was to be condemned or taken to hell, how about Benjamin Netaneyahu?

Before his death, nobody knows who this Russian guy Navalny is, but now, it looks like a trend to talk about his heroic deeds or you may feel embarrassed otherwise.

 

[Bn2f]

The same question can be asked to the representative (and the government behind her) of the USA in the UN security council, who time and again blocked the passage of ceasefire between Hamas and Israel against the majority of the member states of the UN.

So far, many Ukraine people can enjoy their life and post texts or pictures or videos on social media 2 years into the armed conflict with Russia, but what about Gaza where even unarmed and innocent women and kids were killed as terrorists alike? If Putin was to be condemned or taken to hell, how about Benjamin Netaneyahu?

Before his death, nobody knows who this Russian guy Navalny is, but now, it looks like a trend to talk about his heroic deeds or you may feel embarrassed otherwise.

Where are you?
In what state and city of the United States do you live in? It’s a legitimate question because your whole statement gives off subtle hints of a person typing from a foreign troll factory.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Lit is a global community. Posts from outside the US are common and welcome. Your objection to the content of the post does not mean the opinion of the poster is invalid.

 

[dmallord]

Where are you?
In what state and city of the United States do you live in? It’s a legitimate question because your whole statement gives off subtle hints of a person typing from a foreign troll factory.

Look under the info window - she/he - says somewhere in South China, near Vietnam. Click on the avatar to get more.

 

[gxnn]

Look under the info window - she/he - says somewhere in South China, near Vietnam. Click on the avatar to get more.

You are very naive, to some point. I don't deny my nationality, because all men are created equal, according to the constitution of the US, which is the ideal of all human beings. If Vietnam is a sensitive word for you because you have lost a war there, it is time for you to have a good reflection.

Where are you?
In what state and city of the United States do you live in? It’s a legitimate question because your whole statement gives off subtle hints of a person typing from a foreign troll factory.

Why do people need the Internet? Because it is breaking down the barriers in the world to facilitate the exchange of ideas. You are very proud and prejudiced to have lived in a city and a state in the USA, but your mentality is the same as that of Tarzan or the aboriginals of primitive society who live on hunting in the forest. It is a waste of good resources in the most developed country of the world.

Of all those who feasted upon Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Checkhov during the past twenty years, not ore than one or two perhaps have been able to read them in Russian. Our estimate of their qualities has been formed by critics who have never read a word of Russian, or seen Russian, or even heard the language spoken by natives; who have had to depend, blindly and implicitly, upon the work of translations.

These are the words of world renowned British writer Virginia Woolf in her work "The Common Reader", which I think, are applicable to the debate in this thread and many other similar problems discussed in this forum.

 

[goldytheGoldfish]

The death of a foreigner in a foreign country is not our business

You mean it's not interesting.

 

[Bn2f]

You are very naive, to some point. I don't deny my nationality, because all men are created equal, according to the constitution of the US, which is the ideal of all human beings. If Vietnam is a sensitive word for you because you have lost a war there, it is time for you to have a good reflection.

Why do people need the Internet? Because it is breaking down the barriers in the world to facilitate the exchange of ideas. You are very proud and prejudiced to have lived in a city and a state in the USA, but your mentality is the same as that of Tarzan or the aboriginals of primitive society who live on hunting in the forest. It is a waste of good resources in the most developed country of the world.

Of all those who feasted upon Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Checkhov during the past twenty years, not ore than one or two perhaps have been able to read them in Russian. Our estimate of their qualities has been formed by critics who have never read a word of Russian, or seen Russian, or even heard the language spoken by natives; who have had to depend, blindly and implicitly, upon the work of translations.

These are the words of world renowned British writer Virginia Woolf in her work "The Common Reader", which I think, are applicable to the debate in this thread and many other similar problems discussed in this forum.

First, that was a magnificent buffet of words and though I recognize there will be differences - you seem to uselessly drop western references when all that is needed is basic sentence structure which would make the conversation much easier probably for the both of us. Your references are at times slightly off to making no sense and, in simple conversation that is not political, I would grant you room for cultural differences and extend you the courtesy of that if not politely correcting. For example: "If Vietnam is a sensitive word for you because you lost a war there." That sentence alone... I could try to explain Vietnam from an American perspective and still have another American say that I am wrong, but me telling another American that it was a war that we lost would probably get a shoulder shrug instead of hurt feelings. I am actually trying to make you a better propagandist instead of you coming here and coming off as a gweilo.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

First, that was a magnificent buffet of words and though I recognize there will be differences - you seem to uselessly drop western references when all that is needed is basic sentence structure which would make the conversation much easier probably for the both of us. Your references are at times slightly off to making no sense and, in simple conversation that is not political, I would grant you room for cultural differences and extend you the courtesy of that if not politely correcting. For example: "If Vietnam is a sensitive word for you because you lost a war there." That sentence alone... I could try to explain Vietnam from an American perspective and still have another American say that I am wrong, but me telling another American that it was a war that we lost would probably get a shoulder shrug instead of hurt feelings. I am actually trying to make you a better propagandist instead of you coming here and coming off as a gweilo.

I don’t think they understand Americans very well. They keep trying to push our buttons, but it’s painful to watch. The references to Vietnam, Tarzan, “primitive aborigines”, Virgina Woolf—completely tone deaf. You can’t insult Americans by calling us barbarian yahoos.

“Fuck yeah, we’ll agree … hold my beer!”

 

[dmallord]

You are very naive, to some point. I don't deny my nationality, because all men are created equal, according to the constitution of the US, which is the ideal of all human beings. If Vietnam is a sensitive word for you because you have lost a war there, it is time for you to have a good reflection.

Why do people need the Internet? Because it is breaking down the barriers in the world to facilitate the exchange of ideas. You are very proud and prejudiced to have lived in a city and a state in the USA, but your mentality is the same as that of Tarzan or the aboriginals of primitive society who live on hunting in the forest. It is a waste of good resources in the most developed country of the world.

Of all those who feasted upon Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Checkhov during the past twenty years, not ore than one or two perhaps have been able to read them in Russian. Our estimate of their qualities has been formed by critics who have never read a word of Russian, or seen Russian, or even heard the language spoken by natives; who have had to depend, blindly and implicitly, upon the work of translations.

These are the words of world renowned British writer Virginia Woolf in her work "The Common Reader", which I think, are applicable to the debate in this thread and many other similar problems discussed in this forum.

The question was asked about where you are. I responded to look at your Avatar. It says China. I took that at face value - in American that means I believe you wrote that honestly. It has nothing to do with being naive to some point. What ever that means to your hard to understand missive that followed. The he/she reference is from another thread that alluded to your male/female sexual assignment at birth. I don't care about that. You are a person regardless and deserve respect as such.

Vietnam is a sensitive word for me, not because we lost a war there. I nearly died there. I went there out of a sense of patriotic duty not because I believed in the cause for being present there. Today, America has trade relations and American television game shows have prizes with trips to visit beautiful Vietnam and stay in a five star hotel. Not a place I'd return to even as a prize on a game show. Old memories never die - except at one's death.

Every country's populous is very proud and prejudiced to have lived in their country. Even some Chinese like China with its repressed form of government, I suppose.

One does and can live their entire lives with just one language - I get by with translations of books and have no need to read, write, or converse with a Russian. Its not a blind dependence to read an English translation. You tone implys one is diminished or lacking for not mastering another language. It is not. It is just a norm in our country. People here still get offended at hearing Spanish spoken even though there are millions of Spanish speakers here. Not so with learning to speak Russian - they have a hard time getting out of their country - seems to be something to do with having basic freedoms - like China.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Documentary on max (HBO MAX currently) about Navalny just dropped. The more I see and hear about the man, the more impressed I am.

And Putin refuses to say his name, even though he had him poisoned.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/russia-history-of-poisoning-its-enemies/100984912

https://www.hbomax.com/feature/urn:hbo:feature:GYmFp9ATv1JSBmwEAAACW

#julianassange

 

[ll74]

#julianassange

What about him?

 

[LLCox]

trump sez he is, "sort of being Navalny'd by the Justice system." ...

Maybe he needs a WHOLE Elvis face.

 

[gxnn]

The question was asked about where you are. I responded to look at your Avatar. It says China. I took that at face value - in American that means I believe you wrote that honestly. It has nothing to do with being naive to some point. What ever that means to your hard to understand missive that followed. The he/she reference is from another thread that alluded to your male/female sexual assignment at birth. I don't care about that. You are a person regardless and deserve respect as such.

Vietnam is a sensitive word for me, not because we lost a war there. I nearly died there. I went there out of a sense of patriotic duty not because I believed in the cause for being present there. Today, America has trade relations and American television game shows have prizes with trips to visit beautiful Vietnam and stay in a five star hotel. Not a place I'd return to even as a prize on a game show. Old memories never die - except at one's death.

Every country's populous is very proud and prejudiced to have lived in their country. Even some Chinese like China with its repressed form of government, I suppose.

One does and can live their entire lives with just one language - I get by with translations of books and have no need to read, write, or converse with a Russian. Its not a blind dependence to read an English translation. You tone implys one is diminished or lacking for not mastering another language. It is not. It is just a norm in our country. People here still get offended at hearing Spanish spoken even though there are millions of Spanish speakers here. Not so with learning to speak Russian - they have a hard time getting out of their country - seems to be something to do with having basic freedoms - like China.

Sorry sir, if I did make you unhappy. I didn't mean to hurt or harm anybody. I am a Chinese, English is a foreign language to me and foreign culture is a subject that I like but still needs time and efforts to understand.

I am very lucky to be here to talk to friends of other countries. Most of them are Americans, I beleive. But today Americans are people from all over the world too. Yesterday I saw Fox News, it said that every day America received thousands of illegal immigrants through the sountern border, many of whom are Chinese. In this forum, some people are very nice, they point out the grammatical errors for me as well as other cultural problems, but others are very rude, when they begin to say something, they say without any real evidence and without any hesitation that I am a propogandist and ａ spy or other bad names they can think of. That is why I have to fight back, however small, lonely and weak I am. After all, I am not the New York police officer who was kicked and beaten by a young boy illegally entering the city.

You have taught me a lesson, thank you. Again I apologize for any rude words said to you. You have fought for your country, from the point of view of Chinese, it is still a good behavior, because nobody can choose his own parents. A man serving his own motherland is a hero. Respect!!!