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SexyCleric said:
I thank you all.
Honest answers from some wise folk.

You'd think a high Fort save would prevent inebriation, and a high Will would prevent mindless ranting on my part, but then again, what do I know?

Cleric's Quest completed!
Nerds gain 1,400 XP.
Depending on your system of choice, this could be a metric fuckton, or barely scrapping the surface.
YES! *eats her 1,400 CNP* ( Cheese Nip Points)



I'm kind of glad the "love" discussion is over... I was getting a little stuffy in here!
 
SexyCleric said:
But, I ask again, without love, what is life? Love is a gamble; heads you spend happy days with your beloved until death, or tails; you suffer an endless torment until you die.

Is not a life devoid of love safer? What can hurt you, if you do not love? Nothing. Nothing is as important as love, so to do without it is nothing, right?

Can a life without love be worth living? What can take love’s place? What else can make you rise each new day, and fight on?

What is a life without love?

That is the Cleric's challenge to you all.
I ask not that you post in response, unless you wish, but to ponder it.
Can a life be lived without love?

Life isn't made up of just one love. Love changes as does life. It grows, mutates, and diminishes. Old loves will sometimes disappear and die, new ones will arise and bring you to new heights. A life without love isn't safer. I suppose it could be if one had never experienced any love in the first place. Some can argue that friends are love. Unfortunately, should one seek to live a life without love, unless the cut themselves off from the world entirely, it's nearly impossible to avoid. Except perhaps in the case of refusing to let go of the past, holding onto past loves and never allowing onesself to heal.

A life without love can indeed have its good points. It is not completely filled with sorrow. But the lack of love makes everything a little dimmer. Making life feel less engaging, more like just going through the motions. When love is over, there will be saddness, but I believe the thing that takes its place is grief. Once we are able to get over our grief, we must learn to love ourselves anew. And then eventually, love of a new form will find us again. Because love doesn't exist outside the body and mind. It resides within the soul. Those who love the most tend to suffer loves pains moreso than the rest.
 
SexyCleric said:
What is a life without love?
ALL THE MOTHERFUCKERS IN THIS STADIUM CHANT SO THAT THE MOTHERFUCKERS PROTESTING OUTSIDE CAN HEAR: WE - HATE - LOVE - - WE - LOVE - HATE....
--Marylin Manson, The Last Tour on Earth

The Encyclopedia Galactica, in its chapter on Love states that it is far too complicated to define. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of love: Avoid, if at all possible.
--Douglass Adams, The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy — in fact, they are almost incompatible; one emotion hardly leaves room for the other.
--Robert Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land and The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
NOTE: I live my life by these words, and I suggest you do the same.

True love is hard to find, sometimes you think you have true love and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego and a couple of nude people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show ready to double team your girlfriend...
--Mitch, played by Luke Wilson, Old School

True love is the Devil's crowbar.
--Los Angelino punk rock band, X

You don't get to choose. You just fall.
--Unknown

Love: A temporary insanity curable by marriage or by the removal of the patient from the influences under which he incurred the disorder. This disease, like caries and many other ailments, is prevalent only among civilized races living under artificial conditions; barbarous nations breathing pure air and eating simple food enjoy immunity from its ravages. It is sometimes fatal, but more frequently to the physician than to the patient.
--Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

In uncertainty I am certain that underneath their topmost layers of frailty men want to be good and want to be loved. Indeed most of their vices are attempted short cuts to love. When a man comes to die, no matter what his talents and influence and genius, if he dies unloved his life must be a failure to him and his dying a cold horror.
--John Steinbeck, East of Eden

Latin: Si vis amari, ama.
English: To be loved, love.
--Ovid

Make me into anything, but just love me.
--Chuck Pahlahniuk, Invisible Monsters

"And what would humans be without love?"
Rare, said Death.
--Terry Pratchet, Sourcery

This much I can say about love: nothing useful. Unlike death, which comes for everyone, but silences all of it's victims upon infection, thus keeping it's secrets well hidden, love is a very successful disease by the definitions used by most health organizations in the modern day and age. A successful disease lays dormant long enough to spread and rarely kills it's host, at least until it has spread even moreso. The fucked up thing about love, at least in my experience, is that you don't realize that you've been infected until it has already saturated itself in every cell of your being. But you will most likely be unable to learn from this experience, because every relationship is different. The Japanese tea ritual is meant to signify that every human interaction is a singular event that will never occur again, and never is that more true than in the case of love. In all other aspects, I will point out the twists and turns on the roadmap of pain that is my past, but in this area, I can be of no help. In this area, I am a failure. I still struggle to rejoin the battle, to regain the glorious infection, and once more prove myself worthy of its pains and exhilirations, it's sting and caress...but in one spectacular moment I failed. Of course, I could be wrong (it has happened on occasion, and may happen again). Perhaps you can learn from my example. If nothing else, learn to find strength in your pain. Laugh in the face of love, and take from it everything it cannot hold onto until you have had your fill. Trust me, love doesn't mind. It knows that it's an asshole, and that is the challenge. Cupid aims for your heart and that is where the legend ends. The rest of the story is that he whispers in your ear, daring you to get back up. Do me a personal favor: bitchslap the little bastard on your way up.
--Steve Ice, a.k.a. VandalHeart
 
VandalHeart said:
Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy — in fact, they are almost incompatible; one emotion hardly leaves room for the other.
--Robert Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land and The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
NOTE: I live my life by these words, and I suggest you do the same.

Ah, good to hear from the classics.

Ves and Vandal; both feel free to partake of the XP.
 
SexyCleric said:
Ah, good to hear from the classics.

Ves and Vandal; both feel free to partake of the XP.

*gains a level* Yay, increased resolve and determination!
 
lil_squirter said:
Geee did I miss the disertations on Love? LOL Good timing on my part.
Love:


Rei Rei loving Squirtum : )
 
Spins said:
Love, but do not expect your love to be returned. You do not require love to be complete.

mmm i have a hard time swallowing this.
i love *a lot* of people, i adore my close friends so much.
for example one of my best friends went to europe for three weeks, she just came back a couple days ago and when we saw eachother we were so excited we nearly knocked each other to the ground and had tears in our eyes.

Or there was a couple weeks ago, when my best male friend's mom died suddenly. i was weeping for his mother and him. i'm still worried about him, and now that he's overseas i've sent him a heartfelt postcard nearly everyday to remind him i've got his back.

i love so much it's scary to me. i can't help it.
i don't think i could do without it.
 
**Help For A Fellow Litster**

Our dear friend and long-time Litster VandalHeart is out in Omaha right now getting ready to audition for American Idol!! :nana:

One slight problem though.. HE'S GOT NO PLACE TO STAY!! His lodging arrangements fell through once he got there, and all the hotels are overbooked.

If you or someone you know lives in Omaha, and might be able to help him out for the next couple of days until the auditions are over with, PLEASE pm me right away, and I'll put you in touch with Vandal.

Thank you!! :)
 
nova4u said:
Our dear friend and long-time Litster VandalHeart is out in Omaha right now getting ready to audition for American Idol!! :nana:

One slight problem though.. HE'S GOT NO PLACE TO STAY!! His lodging arrangements fell through once he got there, and all the hotels are overbooked.

If you or someone you know lives in Omaha, and might be able to help him out for the next couple of days until the auditions are over with, PLEASE pm me right away, and I'll put you in touch with Vandal.

Thank you!! :)
OMG I love your sig line *steals*
 
posterOfAgirl said:
mmm i have a hard time swallowing this.
i love *a lot* of people, i adore my close friends so much.
for example one of my best friends went to europe for three weeks, she just came back a couple days ago and when we saw eachother we were so excited we nearly knocked each other to the ground and had tears in our eyes.

Or there was a couple weeks ago, when my best male friend's mom died suddenly. i was weeping for his mother and him. i'm still worried about him, and now that he's overseas i've sent him a heartfelt postcard nearly everyday to remind him i've got his back.

i love so much it's scary to me. i can't help it.
i don't think i could do without it.

I think we may be saying the same thing, but it may be because I am not fully understanding.

Sounds like you are saying you love deeply and could not do anything else.

What I am saying is love, love as deeply and as truly as you can, but having that love returned to you is not necessary for you to be a complete person.

Perhaps for you (and perhaps for me) we need to love others in order to be complete. I'm arguing that others do not need to love other people, but need to find those unique things that are important to them to love.

I know for me that continue to learn and explore the world is needed for me to be complete. I think loving other people is also needed, but I am not sure about that. I know for damn sure I don't need others to love me to be complete.

Of course knowing something and feeling good about it aren't the same thing...
 
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Spins said:
I know for damn sure I don't need others to love me to be complete.

Of course knowing something and feeling good about it aren't the same thing...
aww well not needing others love could be an asset,
makes you stronger
 
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