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It's all been thoroughly argued (though some have done it better than others) so all I'll say on the matter now is, TJ even the worlds best writers have editors and proof readers to correct their mistakes.

It's just pure insanity to think that every piece of negative feedback is wrong. I don't even have to look at the author title on chyoo to realise when I'm reading one of your threads. Your, "artistic style" stands out like a sore thumb, this is by no means a good thing.

I don't mean to get political but using the, "American educational system" as justification for being correct is laughable. Being American you may be living in a slightly blinkered world (it's nothing to be ashamed about, most Americans live like that, it's understandable being one of the largest countries in the world) but it's a well known fact in the rest of the world that the American educational system leaves a lot to be desired. Hell I'm dyslexic (my parents were told that I'd never leave school with any qualifications, so it was pretty bad) and I've grown up with British education (which is by no means perfect) but I've seen you make so many mistakes, mistakes that were drummed out of me when I was still a pre-teen. I'm not talking about spellings because anyone who speaks English knows that there are subtle differences between the Queens English and American English but the grammer is the same. Personally I would love to know who taught you to use the ampersand in writing, or indeed where it says in any list of writing rules that the ampersand is the correct symbol to use for, "and". I know I only used it once when I first started out in writing and I was shot down within the first three comments.

So just think about it TJ, if a dyslexic person is telling you, you make mistakes... don't you think you just might be?
 
Izanagi:

Where'd you get that list of grammar rules? At least one the examples is wrong.

Here:

http://www.grammarbook.com

More specifically:

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

And if this is about the "[sic]" not being in italics, that's my fault, not the the fault of Jane Straus. I only copy and pasted, I didn't re-italic. Totally my fault, not her's. However, if there is something else, please enlighten me.

And this brings to mind an interesting point for you TJChurch. There's two ways to handle being wrong: admiitting it and making excuses. Making excuses means you admit you're wrong, but you try to validate the act and take little to no responsibility for the act. Example: People who fall down the stairs and take the building's owner(s) to court. They don't blame themselves for being careless, they blame the building's owner(s) for creating an unsafe environment around the stairs.
Admitting you're wrong is means taking full responsibilty for your actions: no making excuses, no blaming someone else. Example: ...This is actually such a rare instance in this world, or my world at the very least, I can't think of an example. Someone, please, jump in and help me out.

TJChurch, please go over you're last post and tell me which you did? Did you admit you were wrong? Or did you make excuses?
 
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TJChurch, what a colossal arrogant ego you have there.

As a professional writer and editor and after editing many of your threads over the last few years, I can tell you that you make mistakes. Your insistence on using the ampersand instead of 'and' and using numerals for numbers below ten are two such errors.

Another error is the improper use of commas before 'and' in some of your sentences. Here is an example sentence that you wrote in one of my stories: "You want to drive around first, & think." The comma is incorrect since the 'and' separates a compound verb (see the 'Simple Sentences' box on this Kinds of Sentences web page).

Yet another error is your use of commas outside of dialog that ends in a question mark or other punctuation (another example from your work in my stories: “Where do you think you’re going?!”, the voice asks again.) Look at #2 in this 'Punctuating Dialogue' web page where it says ' "Where's the champagne?" he says'.

I know I said yesterday that the only problem was the ampersand and the numerals, but I was being nice. No more.

You can swirl around and around insisting that you are perfect in your grammar and ready to ascend to Godhood, but that's just a bunch of egotistical crap.

[n.b. By the way, I don't care if you give every thread I've ever written an unsigned '1' feedback (a proper use of the numeral form), I will still change back every ampersand to an 'and' in every one of your threads in every one of my stories (as well as correct your other 'nonexistent' errors in grammar). I also have switched you back to 'writer' status from 'trusted' status, so that you can't 'fix' them. They are my stories. I'm the editor, and, if I don't like your grammar, I can change it. If that is too bruising to your fragile ego, don't add to my stories. Don't ever send work to get it published, if you don't want editors correcting your grammar. I had one editor change the story from first person to second person before they would publish it. I didn't complain, nor did I complain about the money I received. You complain about people giving you bad feedback, and then you turn around and send bad feedback to me for making a statement of fact on this forum. Pathetic loser.]

I got the question-mark-&-comma idea (not using the latter after the former) from the English book we used in my junior high classes, so don't blame me if I got an incorrect education.

If you want to change things you see as Incorrect )whether they truly are or not), then do that. But don't accept/approve them with the mistakes, & then attack me for making them.

I don't send bad feedback on people's threads or stories simply because they make a remark against me on the forum. However, if they come here to point out a mistake I've made in a story, & then I see them making &/or accepting a thread with the same mistake, I will give feedback that points that out. It is, at the worst, ironic.

Also, I will admit I use the ampersand & the numbers in places where it is not necessary. (I would not call the uses "wrong" in most of those cases. However, I would agree with "unnecessary".) However, part of that is due to having first read through previous threads in stories (not always the one I'm writing a new thread for), & seeing quite-sizable threads where I read through long threads full of incorrect spellings of numbers, the word "and", as well as other basic words. If I were going to write such a long page, I would certainly make sure the words I used were spelled correctly. (One person who started a story I read/contributed to actually suggests in their "Introduction" thread typing one's threads in a Word-like program first"; I am surprised more people don't take that suggestion, let alone think of it on their own.)

Also, Torg, must wonder what side you are speaking from. You accept my threads with mistakes, change my status after it's been one way for months. (Perhaps that explains why I am not a "trusted" writer on more of the stories I've had several threads approved on, though it appears I would be based on what is written in the "summary" areas of those stories), & seem all too eager to take me as an Editor of any stories up for adoption I suggest I take that position on. Also, you seem to be behind me, then against me, but then correcting the person who has spent several posts correcting me.
 
I know there's no problems with being wrong, & I have none.

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I'm no more contradictory than you or anyone else here

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I am a lifelong citizen of the USA, & a graduate of an American school system. Not sure if different systems/states/countries teach things different;y, but as far as rules, I learned grammar, etc. the same as others.

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I got the question-mark-&-comma idea (not using the latter after the former) from the English book we used in my junior high classes, so don't blame me if I got an incorrect education.

Also, I will admit I use the ampersand & the numbers in places where it is not necessary. (I would not call the uses "wrong" in most of those cases. However, I would agree with "unnecessary".) However, part of that is due to having first read through previous threads in stories (not always the one I'm writing a new thread for), & seeing quite-sizable threads where I read through long threads full of incorrect spellings of numbers, the word "and", as well as other basic words. If I were going to write such a long page, I would certainly make sure the words I used were spelled correctly. (One person who started a story I read/contributed to actually suggests in their "Introduction" thread typing one's threads in a Word-like program first"; I am surprised more people don't take that suggestion, let alone think of it on their own.)

...L! You actually think that blaming the educational system you so proudly used as a defense and saying, "It's not my fault," while looking at the grammar rules themselves and saying, "It's not so much wrong as unncessary" is "admitting you're wrong"? You both contradict yourself and stab your own defense in the back in one move. This is certainly the funniest thing you've done yet.
 
You actually think that blaming the educational system you so proudly used as a defense and saying, "It's not my fault," while looking at the grammar rules themselves and saying, "It's not so much wrong as unncessary" is "admitting you're wrong"? You both contradict yourself and stab your own defense in the back in one move. This is certainly the funniest thing you've done yet.

I don't recall ever using it as a defense, though you repeatedly claim I did.

As for being self-contradictory, I'll take that, as it comes from an expert on the subject. (Notice the mistakes I've corrected in your posts to/about me.)

I don't see anything funny about it.

Regardless, we seem to just be repeatedly making the same claims, & then making claims about those claims, etc. I think we could do this for quite some time, or we could just agree to disagree, which would no doubt be the better option.

(I only wish there were a way to search for an author on CHYOO, so I could find & point-out the mistakes you have no doubt made.)
 
Okay, not that I'm not loving the sight of Tim getting a humilating beatdown on the forum and see him flaunt his idiocy with pride, I think it needs to stop. I'm speaking from experience when I say that the only way to eliminate all of these problems in Tim would be to kill him. I'm not suggesting anyone does that, since it's illegal and immoral (we need to give scientists the chance to study the missing link between man and ape), but you should see the point.

So, now that we've established the fact that Tim's idiocy knows no bounds and that this conversation is no doubt going to be nothing but Tim making one excuse after another, how about we take this topic back on topic and make it about Tim's new stories and not his feedback, grammar, and punctuation?
 
Okay, not that I'm not loving the sight of Tim getting a humilating beatdown on the forum and see him flaunt his idiocy with pride, I think it needs to stop. I'm speaking from experience when I say that the only way to eliminate all of these problems in Tim would be to kill him. I'm not suggesting anyone does that, since it's illegal and immoral (we need to give scientists the chance to study the missing link between man and ape), but you should see the point.

So, now that we've established the fact that Tim's idiocy knows no bounds and that this conversation is no doubt going to be nothing but Tim making one excuse after another, how about we take this topic back on topic and make it about Tim's new stories and not his feedback, grammar, and punctuation?

How about we kill you first? No need to worry about your brain, which (if it exists) has obviously already died.

Also, let's OK a new name for me. Otherwise, since my "TJChurch" account has apparently been banished, no new threads on the stories I edit will ever be approved.
 
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If you want to change things you see as Incorrect )whether they truly are or not), then do that. But don't accept/approve them with the mistakes, & then attack me for making them.

I religiously change your & and numerals. Then you change them back. Then I change them, then you change them back. Your comments on the threads tell me you don't want me touching your words. There is a disconnect here, but it's not mine. Also, I wasn't attacking you. I was pointing out mistakes you make when you claimed you were perfect. Purely a point of fact. I didn't making comments about your parentage or anything until that last comment, which I'd say was provoked by your behavior.

I don't send bad feedback on people's threads or stories simply because they make a remark against me on the forum. However, if they come here to point out a mistake I've made in a story, & then I see them making &/or accepting a thread with the same mistake, I will give feedback that points that out. It is, at the worst, ironic.

Must be talking about someone else and not me.

Also, Torg, must wonder what side you are speaking from. You accept my threads with mistakes, change my status after it's been one way for months. (Perhaps that explains why I am not a "trusted" writer on more of the stories I've had several threads approved on, though it appears I would be based on what is written in the "summary" areas of those stories), & seem all too eager to take me as an Editor of any stories up for adoption I suggest I take that position on. Also, you seem to be behind me, then against me, but then correcting the person who has spent several posts correcting me.

I change your threads when I approve them. Sure, in the technical details there's a few mistakes, but on whole you're pretty good. Your writing is interesting. So I give you trusted status. I changed you to 'writer' from 'trusted' because I found that all the threads that I had modified and then approved had been changed back. So, to prevent that from happening again, I turned back the clock.

Stories need editors. More stories than I can edit myself. Your grammar is not so terrible that I'm not willing to give you a story that I'm not interested in editing, especially when compared to 'popular' editors, like lilguy. Usually, you'll still be better than the average writer on those stories.

So, can we just end this pointless discussion. As long as you stop claiming to have perfect grammar, I'm fine.
 
Your comments on the threads tell me you don't want me touching your words.

You're the editor, so I expect editing. But when I write it as "1", & it then says "one", it reads the same, so what editing has been done?

There is a disconnect here, but it's not mine.

Nor is it mine.

Also, I wasn't attacking you. I was pointing out mistakes you make when you claimed you were perfect. Purely a point of fact.

Except that I never claimed to be perfect.

I didn't making comments about your parentage or anything until that last comment, which I'd say was provoked by your behavior.

I have no clue at all what this is about.

Must be talking about someone else and not me.

No; Others in this thread, though you seem to be saying a lot of the same things... But you are not making the mistakes you point out of mine, as some of them are. Just saying check the work of those you agree with.

I change your threads when I approve them. Sure, in the technical details there's a few mistakes, but on whole you're pretty good. Your writing is interesting. So I give you trusted status. I changed you to 'writer' from 'trusted' because I found that all the threads that I had modified and then approved had been changed back. So, to prevent that from happening again, I turned back the clock.

I don't believe I changed any back, except for a few, that I then saw were "awaiting approval" again, which they would not be if I had trusted status in those places.

Stories need editors. More stories than I can edit myself. Your grammar is not so terrible that I'm not willing to give you a story that I'm not interested in editing, especially when compared to 'popular' editors, like lilguy. Usually, you'll still be better than the average writer on those stories.

Darn right... More of people doing the right complaining but picking the wrong targets.

So, can we just end this pointless discussion. As long as you stop claiming to have perfect grammar, I'm fine.

I never claimed to have perfect. (Also, we can end this discussion if you un-banish my TJChurch account from CHYOO. I'd be happy to, as you said, change/fix any threads that have problems/mistakes. However, when you said that had been done, & I tried to Login to fix them, it said my account had been banished.
 
You're the editor, so I expect editing. But when I write it as "1", & it then says "one", it reads the same, so what editing has been done?

The editing of bringing something from incorrect to correct -- '1' and '&' are incorrect, 'one' and 'and' are correct, regardless of whether they read the same. You simply fail to get that fact. You can argue all you want about personal style, but every professional book or magazine editor in the country is going to look at those, and simply return your manuscript to you as hopelessly unprofessional. They won't take the time to correct your mistakes, just write you off as a sloppy amateur.

Here is a great web page on Rules for Writing Numbers.

Here is another great web page, full of other grammar errors. Look at the eighth one down.

Except that I never claimed to be perfect.

You didn't use the word perfect, but repeatedly stated that you always use correct grammar. Sounds like perfect to me.

I don't believe I changed any back, except for a few, that I then saw were "awaiting approval" again, which they would not be if I had trusted status in those places.
Once you tried to change it back twice even, after I rejected it.
 
The editing of bringing something from incorrect to correct

Isn't this an incomplete sentence? The editing... what? I think there's a verb missing.

'1' and '&' are incorrect, 'one' and 'and' are correct, regardless of whether they read the same. You simply fail to get that fact. You can argue all you want about personal style, but every professional book or magazine editor in the country is going to look at those, and simply return your manuscript to you as hopelessly unprofessional.

Then let that happen if & when it does. I don't frankly know or care if you are a professional writer/editor, & I have a feeling you about me goes the same way. But last I checked, CHYOO was not being published, or even aiming for that. So I'd say that going with the popular ways &/or things that read the same & have the same meaning work well enough.

They won't take the time to correct your mistakes, just write you off as a sloppy amateur.

Which is nothing to say of how many writers (& their specific accepted & un-edited/un-corrected threads on CHYOO) would be treated.

Here is a great web page on Rules for Writing Numbers.

Here is another great web page, full of other grammar errors. Look at the eighth one down.

The one for numbers works. (Though I notice it just gives examples of "correct" & "incorrect", no explanations or reasons.) As for the 2nd one you give, this is what it verbatim says:

The ampersand is popularly, although not necessarily correctly, used in logos and headlines for its design element, but should never be used in text.

So, I'm to go with what is "not necessarily correct", & what "should" never be used. also, need I repeat myself that we're far from aiming for what is bulls-eye correct, & especially on a free & popular place like an Internet site, what is wrong with doing what is popular? Again, if it reads the same (& as good as, if not better than, much of the site), I see no problem.

You didn't use the word perfect, but repeatedly stated that you always use correct grammar. Sounds like perfect to me.

Often? Yes. Always? No. I have people in my immediate family with college degrees in English & communications, who have spent much of my life correcting me during conversations, E-mails, etc. I would never claim to always be correct.


Once you tried to change it back twice even, after I rejected it.

What writer wouldn't do that? Unless it is your aim to get rejected.

EDIT: Glad to see my account has been un-banished. Now, to get rid of/fix the people who leave Feedback like this: "This thread is ruined by the fact that you're such an asshole."
 
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Isn't this an incomplete sentence? The editing... what? I think there's a verb missing.

Wow. Just wow. (Yes, those were also incomplete sentences.) You are now officially a troll.


But last I checked, CHYOO was not being published, or even aiming for that. So I'd say that going with the popular ways &/or things that read the same & have the same meaning work well enough.

CHYOO is already published -- on the web. They work well enough for you, but not well enough for me. The point is that they are grammatical errors, the entire point of this discussion. You are now informed, and you can now start saying things like "I purposely use incorrect grammar when I post on CHYOO," "I complain loudly when people correct my incorrect grammar," and "I refuse to listen to people who correct my grammar. How I write is good enough for me."
 
Wow. Just wow. (Yes, those were also incomplete sentences.) You are now officially a troll.

That's an unproven opinion... Or a complete lie; Your choice. (Keep it to yourself.) Got a problem that I state facts?

CHYOO is already published -- on the web. They work well enough for you, but not well enough for me. The point is that they are grammatical errors, the entire point of this discussion. You are now informed, and you can now start saying things like "I purposely use incorrect grammar when I post on CHYOO," "I complain loudly when people correct my incorrect grammar," and "I refuse to listen to people who correct my grammar. How I write is good enough for me."

I have a bunch of books in this room. They are also published. The difference? I (& others before me, simultaneously, & after me) paid money for them. You get what you pay for.

Some of it is grammatical errors, which I repeatedly admit to. Others are cases where the descriptions you link me to use words like "should", "could", "sometimes", etc. Those are errors in your eyes, but not nearly everyone's. Therefore, for me to say any of those sentences you suggest would be incorrect as though they happen in all cases.
 
That's an unproven opinion... Or a complete lie; Your choice. (Keep it to yourself.) Got a problem that I state facts?

Troll - One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

So yes, you are a troll. That statement isn't opinionated or a lie, it is fact.

I have a bunch of books in this room. They are also published. The difference? I (& others before me, simultaneously, & after me) paid money for them. You get what you pay for.

And since when is the internet is free? Between the electricity it takes to run the computer and/or charge the computer's battery and the installation and use of an ISP, the internet is far from free. Even if you use a computer at the library, the library and everything in it are paid for with some of the taxes (and I assume you pay taxes), and internet cafes are far from inexpensive. So, no matter how you access Chyoo, you're still paying for it. As you said, we get what we pay for; we pay for the internet, so we (should) get quality writing if we read a story online.

Also, Torg, was the only problem you saw the[sic]? I'm rather curious if there's something I should know about the site I fall on ass-backwards.
 
This reply isn't for TJChurch, it's for the rest of you who are still reading this thread.

He said:
Except that I never claimed to be perfect.

Here is a feedback he left on one of my CHYOO threads a couple days ago (before he made the previous comment):

"I actually like the thread I just hate the feedback you gave me since it's all bull shit and the edits that make them wrong (my threads are perfect when I submit them, asshole)."

So he lied.

Then he left these two choice gems yesterday:

"-2 for copying a game almost word for word, -10 for putting words in my mouth & making me seem like a fool on the forum, & - 20 for not doing something about hell_kaiser. You're lucky I can't go below 1."

and

"Again, just felt like dropping more bad feedback for your posts and enlighten you to the fact that I'll be worse than $ajin if you keep accusing me of being wrong all the time when it says things like "should"."

I'd like to say that I didn't make him look like a fool on this forum, he did that all by himself. I also could find a grammar page that wasn't as equivocal as the one I sent, but I never thought anyone would misconstrue "should never be used in text" as somehow being less than a solid rule.

The hell_kaiser comment was an incident a few months ago where the user hell_kaiser was leaving vindictive negative feedback for the sole purpose of lower a person's ratings. TJChurch asked me to do something about it. I investigated and banished hell_kaiser about a month after he asked me.

That third feedback was left by TJChurch on the same thread as the second feedback was, because he created an additional user for himself, since you can't leave more than one feedback per thread.

The reference to $aijin, as you may well remember, was a user who left plagiarized threads that didn't go anywhere. I got several complaints, asked him to stop, and then banished him when he refused.

The upshot of all this is that I've banished TJChurch and all of his four known aliases for abusing the feedback system and for making threats. I find it very ironic that he got caught in the same behavior that he so vociferously complained about. I will banish each alias of his I find in the future. If you find a new alias of his, let me know and I'll take care of it. You can easily tell when he submits a thread, because all of his 'and's will be ampersands and all of his single digit numbers will be numerals.

As for the stories he was editing, I'm taking requests from people who would like to adopt them. I've begun the process of reassigning them and correcting his grammar.

Thank you all for your time. It has been my pleasure.
 
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Yes, this is all a conspiracy to get you. Well, it worked.

Oh, there is a way to work this all out. Create a new user on CHYOO that has nothing to do with the TJChurch name. Add threads and create stories, but stop using ampersand and numerals the way you have.
 
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Some leader you turn out to be, believing lies & never actually aiming to do the right thing or treat people with respect.

Whatever.

I treated you with respect for a week on this forum as well as for years before on CHYOO, but got none in return. I'm just plain done. This is the last I'll respond to you. Bye.
 
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The only one who is lying is you TJ. I could go back through all your post in this thread and find quotes of you saying you use perfect grammar but to be honest I can't be bothered as no doubt you'd find some inane excuse to say that I'd tweaked what you were saying or misquoted you.

As for "should" being a pretty hard-line rule, "You should disconnect the device from the mains before performing any repairs", "You should not run on slippery surfaces", "You should not walk on thin ice/ frozen lakes", "You should offer this seat to the elderly or pregnant". Would you really say that none of those aren't rules to follow?

Then there's all this "popular" use of words crap, search the net/ books/ posts on chyoo/ whatever you like, I think you'll find that 99% of them will use, "and" instead of, "&" and, "one" instead of, "1". So tell me TJ, which is the more popular?

Torg hasn't "flipped-flopped" on any of his arguments towards you or anyone else in this thread, all he's done is, said, "In <insert example here> you made a good point, but this other person made a good point in <insert example here>". There's nothing wrong with seeing things from multiple points of view.

Torg:
I'll happily take some of his stories if it lightens the burden on you. I know I'm far from perfect (part of the course with being dyslexic) but it's as good as any to improving my skill set.
 
I treated you with respect for a week on this forum as well as for years before on CHYOO, but got none in return. I'm just plain done. This is the last I'll respond to you. Bye.

It sounds towards the end like you're actually making a decision, different from the Torg I've seen so much of where you admit I'm good/correct one moment, but make false charges & call me full of crap the next.
 
Oh, there is a way to work this all out. Create a new user on CHYOO that has nothing to do with the TJChurch name. Add threads and create stories, but stop using ampersand and numerals the way you have.

Even though in some cases (& even you admit this) it has been a/the correct way?

While we're fixing things, why don't we correct/rid of writers who make threads (in some of the same stories where my threads received high Feedback) who can't & don't spell 3-letter words correctly?

Or why don't I just create that name (with you promising not to "banish" it), you give that person the editing writes to all my threads & all the stories you had been allowing me to edit?
 
The only one who is lying is you TJ. I could go back through all your post in this thread and find quotes of you saying you use perfect grammar but to be honest I can't be bothered as no doubt you'd find some inane excuse to say that I'd tweaked what you were saying or misquoted you.

Or I could go back & find posts where you wrote in Chinese. What?! I couldn't?! You didn't?! Nor did I do what you claim I did.

As for "should" being a pretty hard-line rule, "You should disconnect the device from the mains before performing any repairs", "You should not run on slippery surfaces", "You should not walk on thin ice/ frozen lakes", "You should offer this seat to the elderly or pregnant". Would you really say that none of those aren't rules to follow?

I'd call them rules to follow, but there are exceptions to some rules.

Then there's all this "popular" use of words crap, search the net/ books/ posts on chyoo/ whatever you like, I think you'll find that 99% of them will use, "and" instead of, "&" and, "one" instead of, "1". So tell me TJ, which is the more popular?

Again, even the rules Torg & other people have pointed-out to me (in E-mails, in thread denials, in this thread), etc. give times & situations where this is not expected. Also, I am sure the posts you are referring to are by people who would use the former one time & the latter another. So I really don't think you can speak on popularity when the person whose work you are going by would use either.

Torg hasn't "flipped-flopped" on any of his arguments towards you or anyone else in this thread, all he's done is, said, "In <insert example here> you made a good point, but this other person made a good point in <insert example here>". There's nothing wrong with seeing things from multiple points of view.

True, but when he admits I made a good point in the same post where he goes on to attack me (in some cases fr things he claims I said or did that I didn't actually), I'd say that's about as close as you can get to "flip-flopping".

Torg:
I'll happily take some of his stories if it lightens the burden on you. I know I'm far from perfect (part of the course with being dyslexic) but it's as good as any to improving my skill set.

I'm sure, since Torg himself suggested I create another name there (albeit quickly banning it any time I do), he would do just as well to consider giving my work to the newly-created name.
 
Torg:
I'll happily take some of his stories if it lightens the burden on you.

Torg I'd also be more than happy to take a few, on the sole condition I finally get a response to this post:

Izanagi:

Where'd you get that list of grammar rules? At least one the examples is wrong.

And if this is about the "[sic]" not being in italics, that's my fault, not the the fault of Jane Straus. I only copy and pasted, I didn't re-italic. Totally my fault, not her's. However, if there is something else, please enlighten me.

I don't care if it was the "[sic]" or not, I just want to eradicate the doubt in my mind.
 
TJChurch, what a colossal arrogant ego you have there.

As a professional writer and editor and after editing many of your threads over the last few years, I can tell you that you make mistakes. Your insistence on using the ampersand instead of 'and' and using numerals for numbers below ten are two such errors.

Another error is the improper use of commas before 'and' in some of your sentences. Here is an example sentence that you wrote in one of my stories: "You want to drive around first, & think." The comma is incorrect since the 'and' separates a compound verb (see the 'Simple Sentences' box on this Kinds of Sentences web page).

Yet another error is your use of commas outside of dialog that ends in a question mark or other punctuation (another example from your work in my stories: “Where do you think you’re going?!”, the voice asks again.) Look at #2 in this 'Punctuating Dialogue' web page where it says ' "Where's the champagne?" he says'.

I know I said yesterday that the only problem was the ampersand and the numerals, but I was being nice. No more.

You can swirl around and around insisting that you are perfect in your grammar and ready to ascend to Godhood, but that's just a bunch of egotistical crap.

[n.b. By the way, I don't care if you give every thread I've ever written an unsigned '1' feedback (a proper use of the numeral form), I will still change back every ampersand to an 'and' in every one of your threads in every one of my stories (as well as correct your other 'nonexistent' errors in grammar). I also have switched you back to 'writer' status from 'trusted' status, so that you can't 'fix' them. They are my stories. I'm the editor, and, if I don't like your grammar, I can change it. If that is too bruising to your fragile ego, don't add to my stories. Don't ever send work to get it published, if you don't want editors correcting your grammar. I had one editor change the story from first person to second person before they would publish it. I didn't complain, nor did I complain about the money I received. You complain about people giving you bad feedback, and then you turn around and send bad feedback to me for making a statement of fact on this forum. Pathetic loser.]


I just wanted to say thank you Torg for these comments. I was editor on a number of stories TJChurch has been submitting to recently, but he wouldn't accept my constructive criticism (including, of course, the ampersand and numerals you referred to), and would bully me by continuously re-submitting one rejected thread without the few reasonable changes requested, and attempting to reverse the editorial changes made on the threads I did approve. We had lengthy discussions via email, where I spent literally hours trying to convince and persuade him (including sending him links to third-party grammar sites). The upshot was that he considered himself to be a superior writer (whereas I believe he is an average but inexplicably haughty CHYOO writer), and when I told him "self-praise is no recommendation", he replied "And praise from you is worthless". I could not abide his baffling hostility, and asked him not to contribute to my stories if he wasn't willing to accept my editorial decisions. So I thank you for standing up for me, even though you didn't know you were.
 
I was editor on a number of stories TJChurch has been submitting to recently, but he wouldn't accept my constructive criticism

Never sent anything constructive (most of it was personal attacks about things he assumed &/or didn't even know to be true about me).

(including, of course, the ampersand and numerals you referred to)

This was over 50% of it (would attack these uses even in situations where I would be proven write by the sites he sent me links to)

and would bully me by continuously re-submitting one rejected thread without the few reasonable changes requested

Not true; I sent them corrected where he was right, but as written above, he would tell me I was wrong any time I used the numbers/ampersands

and attempting to reverse the editorial changes made on the threads I did approve.

Certainly never did this.

We had lengthy discussions via email, where I spent literally hours trying to convince and persuade him (including sending him links to third-party grammar sites).

The sites would prove him right in some cases, wrong in others, & he refused to admit this.
 
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