News: US militery draft is back (I'm not joking)

[CrazyyAngel]

Just a short question (and to fuel the fire with oil ) ...

Why does the Idea of a military draft bother the American people so much?

Over here it is common to get drafted to the army after highschool ... so I dont get it...



CA

 

[cantdog]

I am sorry guys but you're a bunch of uneducated impulsive panickers who know nothing about US government or specifically congress, except that its divided in three branches.

Three branches of congress, old fruit?

Uneducated in what way?

cantdog

 

[cantdog]

Just a short question (and to fuel the fire with oil ) ...

Why does the Idea of a military draft bother the American people so much?

Over here it is common to get drafted to the army after highschool ... so I dont get it...



CA

Your army isn't currently engaged in a program of empire building. I'm afraid ours is.

 

[oggbashan]

Just a short question (and to fuel the fire with oil ) ...

Why does the Idea of a military draft bother the American people so much?

Over here it is common to get drafted to the army after highschool ... so I dont get it...



CA

Because the draft wasn't all-inclusive and if you had money you could get out of it or sent somewhere you wouldn't be shot at.

Other countries had/have the draft and no one was exempted unless obviously physically unfit. 'You've lost a leg? The other one looks OK. Passed fit. Next?'

In Australia when I was there you could be exempt from the compulsory training if you were classified 'efficient' as a school cadet. You weren't exempt from the two weeks training a year - just the basic training. 'Efficient' at my school meant, among other things, that you could run a cross-country carrying full kit in a temperature of 100F and then hit a target five times with five shots at the end of the run.

I was larger than most. I had to run carrying the Bren gun.

Og

 

[shereads]

Just a short question (and to fuel the fire with oil ) ...

Why does the Idea of a military draft bother the American people so much?

Over here it is common to get drafted to the army after highschool ... so I dont get it...



CA

What Og said.

During Vietnam, the draft had just enough loopholes that those in positions of power could be certain of getting their kids off the hook. The college deferment bought you a few years out of the lottery. When that ran out, a man with political influence like Bush I could push his son to the front of a 10,000-name waiting list for admission to the Texas National Guard. The odds back then were heavily against a Guardsman having to serve overseas, so his argument that he shared the burden of his generation's war are bogus.

It's also considered ironic, among Democrats, that GWB's party were universally critical of Bill Clinton for not having served in the military. His "out" was a Rhodes Scholarship. For a kid who grew up in poverty - and who spoke out against the war - I don't see that as a dishonorable choice. There's a difference between avoiding a war you believe is immoral, and being a chicken hawk.

 

[CrazyyAngel]

Thanks for the replies. I think I get it now ... maybe Germany wouldnt have a draft if the risk of seeing action would be as high as in the States.


CA

 

[rgraham666]

Why exactly do you think Congressmen's children should serve in Iraq?

Because they're U.S. citizens like the rest of us. (Of you, I'm Canadian.) It's their duty to do so, just like the rest of us proles.

If someone doesnt go to war does it mean they dont honestly belive in it?

Once I get past your grammar, Yes.

Are you saying all supporters of the war on terrorism should volunteer to go to Iraq?

If they're honest, Yes.

Zor, for some one who is 'in college', your grammar, punctuation and spelling are atrocious. (Said the high school dropout.) Maybe one of the reasons you're so hot to go to war after college is that you know the next Ice Age will arrive before you graduate?

 

[MightyZor]

1. My grammar is ok. English is not my first language, but I am doing my best. Besides, in the reply you wrote your grammar is not better.

2. Because someone is a U.S. Citizen does NOT mean they have to volunteer to war. If they're drafted then its their duty. Since there is no draft the force in Iraq consists of volunteers.

3. The service is voluntary, and to get more people to go USA should offer bigger rewards and invest more money into the military so that the best and most advanced weapons possible would reduce casualties on our side, and civillian casualties on enemy side.

 

[rgraham666]

Zor, you're fucking hilarious.

My ignore list has just had another name added to it.

 

[CrazyyAngel]

3. The service is voluntary, and to get more people to go USA should offer bigger rewards and invest more money into the military so that the best and most advanced weapons possible would reduce casualties on our side, and civillian casualties on enemy side.

ROFL ... yeah right ...

 

[Pure]

Mighty Zor,

2. Because someone is a U.S. Citizen does NOT mean they have to volunteer to war.

Don't quibble, big guy. Of course they are not forced to.

But surely anyone, like yourself, committed to defense of homeland and bringing freedom to God's Brown Children suffering under the iron heel of the tyrant who also funds terrorists, would feel *compelled-- forced by his/her conscience-- to volunteer.

Your not saying you're going to let your morality sit, till the "please report" letter arrives from the draftboard, are you?
That's slack, buddy.

J.

 

[shereads]

The service is voluntary, and to get more people to go USA should offer bigger rewards and invest more money into the military so that the best and most advanced weapons possible would reduce casualties on our side, and civillian casualties on enemy side.

$390 billion isn't a lot?

Zor, I won't quibble with your grammar. I admire anyone who speaks a second language with some fluency. Your education could bear the addition of a little nuance, though.

"Spend more on the military."

Let's see. We currently spend nearly a dozen times as much as our closet competitor. In fact, the military budgets of Russia plus China plus the next 25 highest spending nations, added together, does not equal what we spend on our military. Anyone who tries to change the WAY that money is spent, to make it more efficient and less of a giveaway to the industries that feed off of it, is accused of having "voted against military spending." Not true. Voting against a budget as it is outlined simply means you're in favor of a different option, one that may be just as high, dollar for dollar, but recommends different uses for the money. Like the ones you're talking about. Soon Sen. Kerry will make a speech recommending that more of our military budget ought to be used to reward and protect the soldiers on the ground instead of for high-tech Trekkie fantasies that mostly enrich Bechtel and Assoc. You and I can both predict that he will immediately be accused of being "anti-military" and that the Republicans' next batch of TV commercials will chant the mantra about how often he has voted "against supporting our troops." Hogwash. As a student, you will be learning to examine the spin behind the words. You've been lied to by the people you admire. Don't make it that easy for them. You are obviously not stupid.

 

[Blarneystoned]

Draft

I dont think you all have to worry ..you all look to old for it. That was an increase in selective service budget...hmmm selective service? Did it occur to anyone that enrollment is up in the military and that is why there are no plans for a draft??

Blarneystoned

 

[shereads]

Re: Draft

I dont think you all have to worry ..you all look to old for it. That was an increase in selective service budget...hmmm selective service? Did it occur to anyone that enrollment is up in the military and that is why there are no plans for a draft??

Blarneystoned

You arrogant son of a bitch, there are people here who don't want their children and nieces and nephews to die for the private agenda of the incompetent liar you elected and continue to support. You think it's amusing that nobody in the Bush White House has a family member who's ever going to need a job and have to join the military? Your arroagnce is as sickening as his.

You want facts? I've posted them at a dozen threads. I've posted links to declassified documents that implicate the right wing's god, Ronald Reagan, and GWB's father, in lies so devious and cynical they should have been jailed. Your support of those people helped build Saddam Hussein into a monster, and you were too ignorant to care then and you don't want to know it now.

I've researched and put together a series of directly contradictory public statements about the war, that prove this administration either allowed itself to be led around by Chalabi in disregard of cautions by Colin Powell and others who saw him for the con man he so clearly was - or that they willfully used Chalabi's lies to achieve the war they wanted.

You won't acknowledge facts that don't support your world view. You won't even read them. A dozen books published by former supporters of this administration, each painting the same picture of lies and incompetence and self-interest, and you're still their boy. Stay the course, but send your own nephew to die for Dick Cheney's power trip. Leave mine alone.

Go find the facts we've all posted here, if you care to. I'm finished caring how people like you vote. After all, a majority of voters knew better the last time and still lost; this time, it's too late to make any difference. I'm going to enjoy this ignore thing. 'Bye blarney. 'Bye amicus. You keep feeding innocents into the maw of the beast, if it amuses you. I don't have to watch you chuckle about it.

 

[Ms_Kat]

Re: Re: Draft

You arrogant son of a bitch, there are people here who don't want their children and nieces and nephews to die for the private agenda of the incompetent liar you elected and continue to support. You think it's amusing that nobody in the Bush White House has a family member who's ever going to need a job and have to join the military? Your arroagnce is as sickening as his.

You want facts? I've posted them at a dozen threads. I've posted links to declassified documents that implicate the right wing's god, Ronald Reagan, and GWB's father, in lies so devious and cynical they should have been jailed. Your support of those people helped build Saddam Hussein into a monster, and you were too ignorant to care then and you don't want to know it now.

I've researched and put together a series of directly contradictory public statements about the war, that prove this administration either allowed itself to be led around by Chalabi in disregard of cautions by Colin Powell and others who saw him for the con man he so clearly was - or that they willfully used Chalabi's lies to achieve the war they wanted.

You won't acknowledge facts that don't support your world view. You won't even read them. A dozen books published by former supporters of this administration, each painting the same picture of lies and incompetence and self-interest, and you're still their boy. Stay the course, but send your own nephew to die for Dick Cheney's power trip. Leave mine alone.

Go find the facts we've all posted here, if you care to. I'm finished caring how people like you vote. After all, a majority of voters knew better the last time and still lost; this time, it's too late to make any difference. I'm going to enjoy this ignore thing. 'Bye blarney. 'Bye amicus. You keep feeding innocents into the maw of the beast, if it amuses you. I don't have to watch you chuckle about it.

Now, now, no need to get nasty. It doesn't advance your argument and it actualy makes it weaker.


Hugs,

Kat

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: Re: Draft

Now, now, no need to get nasty. It doesn't advance your argument and it actualy makes it weaker.


Hugs,

Kat

We're long past the "need to get nasty." Get real.

 

[Blarneystoned]

Chalabi is one man...

Chalabi has lost much credibility agreed. There are thousands of Iraqi US refugees that have gone back. If Chalabi gets out of hand he will be dealt with one way or another. I think he will listen to reason though. One way or another Iraq will hold.

Blarney out

 

[GilderoyW]

Maybe no draft?

Hello everyone... I'm new here, but I'm not going to make an introduction -- You'll all get used to me eventually. I'm somewhat crazy!

Well, I don't know where this topic is going, and I don't really want to read through the hundreds of posts in this section... But, has anybody seen this particular article?

http://www.objector.org/positionpaper.html

It is somewhat reassuring from the objector side of the war, and has much more juice and knowledge put to it than the bland articles that have been popping up every where else. We should be concerned for the draft -- but we need to 'think' a little more.

And that is how the cookie crumbles!

 

[shereads]

Re: Maybe no draft?

Hello everyone... I'm new here, but I'm not going to make an introduction -- You'll all get used to me eventually. I'm somewhat crazy!

Well, you've come to the right place. Welcome, and thank you for the link.

 

[MightyZor]

A bunch of you who are impulsive, emotional, and unfortunately un-educated lefties lost this discussion. OWNED!

 

[cloudy]

A bunch of you who are impulsive, emotional, and unfortunately un-educated lefties lost this discussion. OWNED!

Um, excuse me, but who the hell are you to be calling anyone here uneducated???

You have got to be one of the most arrogant people I've seen here.

Just for your information, I'm not a "leftie." I have had several rather heated debates here, but when all is said and done, I still have respect for the people that disagree with me, and vice versa. Didn't anyone ever teach you respect for another's opinion?

Another fyi, smart ass: I have two (count 'em, 2) university degrees and working on my master's at the moment.

 

[Blarneystoned]

There won't be a draft so stop what is the point of this

Unless we get nuked...which according to most of you wont happen because we didnt find WMD...there wont be draft...we have plenty of youngins like Zor who are willing to sign up and take the oathe to Defend Our Shores Both Foreign and Domestic...so instead of slashing each other...lets hold hands and sing.

Tomorrow is another day...another day of Freedom here in America.

Sleep tight all

Blarneystoned

 

[rgraham666]

I haven't read MightZor's post as he is on my ignore list.

But in my case, he's right. I am merely a high school dropout.

That doesn't mean I'm stupid, though.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Re: There won't be a draft so stop what is the point of this

Unless we get nuked...which according to most of you wont happen because we didnt find WMD...there wont be draft...we have plenty of youngins like Zor who are willing to sign up and take the oathe to Defend Our Shores Both Foreign and Domestic...so instead of slashing each other...lets hold hands and sing.

What the hell good would a draft do us once we've been nuked?

---dr.M.

 

[Blarneystoned]

Someone has to push the red button

More troops in Mach 4 gear or led suits to the front....If I remember right I think one nuke will take out 12 sqare miles or so.. I couldnt see most of the middle east having more than a few to dish out at once...Pahkastan and india maybe have the best shot and I bet they can only lauch a few at at time so far....North Korea has about 8 nukes and of that I am not sure if they have a delivery apparatus...Pahkistan just demoed theirs..

Blarneystoned