Next Pub presidential debate tonight, 10/28/15

[NOIRTRASH]

Wowzer. Looks like CNBC danced on its dick last night.

 

[RobDownSouth]

At this point, I've got to believe that either Rubio or Cruz will be the Republican nominee, depending on whether the establishment Republicans or the whackadoodle right prevails.

I think we saw the effective end of the Jeb! candidacy last night. He was awful.

I bet Mitt Romney is kicking himself...he probably would have had a better chance this year than back in 2012.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

we must have hillary for potus because America doesn't have enough obama debt

 

[NOIRTRASH]

At this point, I've got to believe that either Rubio or Cruz will be the Republican nominee, depending on whether the establishment Republicans or the whackadoodle right prevails.

I think we saw the effective end of the Jeb! candidacy last night. He was awful.

I bet Mitt Romney is kicking himself...he probably would have had a better chance this year than back in 2012.

Jeb will be the nominee.

 

[sr71plt]

Wowzer. Looks like CNBC danced on its dick last night.

CNBC certainly permitted the candidates to find common ground in legitimately attacking someone other than each other. Many of the "questions" were appalling, starting with the first lame "what is your greatest weakness" one.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't see the path for Jeb anymore. He was the obvious pick, well the only pick more accurately but he seemes to have screwed himself. I dstill don't quite seee how Cruz or Rubio pull this but unless we really are on the Trump Train that's game.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Rude and arrogant isn't crazy nor is the honesty....really the only thing you got on him is he was/is maybe still a birther. That's a little crazy.....

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In a presidential candidate, every single one of those soundbites is headbanging batshit crazy.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And just last night:

TRUMP: We can do a wall. We're going to have a big, fat beautiful door right in the middle of the wall. We're going to have people come in, but they're coming in legally. And Mexico's going to pay for the wall because Mexico -- I love the Mexican people; I respect the Mexican leaders -- but the leaders are much sharper, smarter and more cunning than our leaders.

And just to finish, people say, how will you get Mexico to pay? A politician other than the people in the states -- I don't want to -- a politician cannot get them to pay. I can. We lose, we have a trade imbalance...

Excuse me, John.

... of $50 billion...

HARWOOD: We're at the 60 seconds.

TRUMP: ... believe me the world is peanuts by comparison.

Not how a sane person talks.

 

[sr71plt]

Certainly not presidential. Have TV and the Tea Party really reduced the electorate to want the United States to be a foot-in-mouth clown show?

 

[JackLuis]

Key quotes from the Republican primary debate

The knives came out as White House hopefuls traded barbs at Wednesday’s Republican primary debate in Colorado. Here is a selection of the evening’s best quotes:

France mocks Jeb Bush over ‘bombastic nonsense’ about the country’s work week

When Republican presidential candidate and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush called out Sen. Marco Rubio at the third GOP debate Wednesday night, he may have insulted a nation. Bush, attacking Rubio for missing a string of Senate votes, said his rival needed to show up to work -- which he said wasn't that hard, given the Senate's "French work week." But CNBC reported his comment didn't sit well with the French ambassador to the United States, Gérard Araud.

Araud took to Twitter Wednesday night to defend the idea of a French work week, a tradition adopted in 2000 that sets the legal maximum of employee hours at 35. He noted that despite the requirement, French people spend an average of 39.6 hours a week -- less than the Germans, who work 39.2.

Surgeon Ben Carson and anti-science Mike Huckabee raking in cash by hawking bogus medical ‘cures’

At the Republican primary debate on CNBC Wednesday night, candidate Ben Carson made claims — which were rapidly debunked — that he had no connection to Mannatech, a Christian-run company that sold bogus dietary supplements to the faithful.

However, Carson is not the only evangelical Christian in the GOP race making money by selling phony “cures” to gullible Christians. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has also come under fire for endorsing “Bible-based” cancer cures and a so-called “diabetes solution kit” designed to convince diabetics to stop taking their insulin and start taking herbal supplements like cinnamon pills.

During Wednesday night’s debate, moderator Carl Quintanilla asked Carson, “This is a company called Mannatech, a maker of nutritional supplements, with which you had a 10-year relationship. They offered claims they could cure autism, cancer. They paid $7 million to settle a deceptive marketing lawsuit in Texas, and yet your involvement continues. Why?”

No, Raw Story is not a RW rag, Box.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In a presidential candidate, every single one of those soundbites is headbanging batshit crazy.

LOL no just because it's not whackadoodle left doesn't make it crazy.

Mexico doesn't send their best...

China is fucking us...

We do have idiots in charge.....

Being a POW does not make one a hero.

And being a rude pig isn't the same as being crazy.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I don't see the path for Jeb anymore. He was the obvious pick, well the only pick more accurately but he seemes to have screwed himself. I dstill don't quite seee how Cruz or Rubio pull this but unless we really are on the Trump Train that's game.

Jeb will be the nominee.

 

[sr71plt]

Jeb will be the nominee.

If the RNC can regain control, he will be, yes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I just don't see how they regain control before the game is up.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I just don't see how they regain control before the game is up.

Wall Street and K Street will push the others outta the race.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Has anyone figured out how President Trump will force the Mexican government to build an expensive wall most Mexicans will see as an affront to their national pride?

 

[sr71plt]

Has anyone figured out how President Trump will force the Mexican government to build an expensive wall most Mexicans will see as an affront to their national pride?

No more than he's backed up everything else he says he's going to do.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He'll give them all jobs patrolling it and since they'll be patrolling it people will still get over but Americans will feel better.

 

[KingOrfeo]

LOL no just because it's not whackadoodle left doesn't make it crazy.

Mexico doesn't send their best...

They don't send anybody, immigrants come here on their own. Trump makes it sound like Mexican immigration is some kind of Mexican government plot to weaken the U.S. That's crazy talk.

China is fucking us...

No, the American corporations that buy their cheap slave-labor products are fucking us.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They don't send anybody, immigrants come here on their own. Trump makes it sound like Mexican immigration is some kind of Mexican government plot to weaken the U.S. That's crazy talk.

Fine however you want to put it, reality is the immigrants are the dregs of their society, not the best and brightest. Wanting to get that situation under control is far from crazy.....unless hysterical bleeding heart liburhul.

No, the American corporations that buy their cheap slave-labor products are fucking us.

It's a team effort, China is still fucking us at large, and non of it could happen without the shitty trade policy management......put there by stupid people, like Clinton.

LOL.......

 

[KingOrfeo]

Fine however you want to put it, reality is the immigrants are the dregs of their society, not the best and brightest. Wanting to get that situation under control is far from crazy.....unless hysterical bleeding heart liburhul.

Then, most Americans -- even the Old American WASPs -- are descended from the dregs of various societies. But in a generation or less the wretched refuse of some teeming shore become solid, highly productive and valuable citizens, it has happened over and over.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then, most Americans -- even the Old American WASPs -- are descended from the dregs of various societies.

VERY GOOD!!!!

I like how you toss the WASP's in there like that would offend me or some shit LOL I'm a 1st gen M'urican bub and I have a 0% WASP background. Nice try at the race bait game though.

But in a generation or less the wretched refuse of some teeming shore become solid, highly productive and valuable citizens, it has happened over and over.

Doesn't make wanting to do so in a controlled fashion crazy.......unless hysterical libhurhul of course.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Who the fuck are these librulz who don't want control over our immigration system? It's not Hillary or Obama or Sanders or Warren. If they were true to their platform it would be Ron and Rand but they are only libertarian when it's easier than being Republican. (so mostly on drugs)

 

[KingOrfeo]

Jeb will be the nominee.

At this point, he's a fool if he doesn't drop out before Super Tuesday.

“I’m pretty damn glum tonight,” vocal Jeb Bush advocate and CNN political commentator Ana Navarro lamented on-air immediately after the debate. Her favored candidate not only failed to steal the spotlight for a much needed momentum boost, but managed to open himself up to the biggest slap down of the night via his one-time protégé, Marco Rubio. Troubled by his disastrous performance, Navarro implored Bush to “take the next 10 days … to really figure out how to dominate in debates.”

“It’s a long haul. Ana, hang in there, girl,” Bush said in a post-debate interview, responding to his longtime friend. “It’s a long haul, baby. A few more debates to go. I’m out-campaigning everybody. I’m working hard and we’re raising the resources.”

But others in Jeb’s orbit and the political punditry at-large don’t seem to agree with Jeb’s rosy assessment of his chances following last night’s dreary performance.

Former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum broke down Jeb’s debate stage demise: “Jeb Bush is chronically unstrategic … Jeb Bush does not improvise … Bush does not improvise because he dreads confrontation … When Bush fails, he discourages easily … When discouraged, Bush—although a physically big man—psychically shrinks into his own feelings of hurt and rejection.”

Top Jeb fundraiser David Beightol conceded that the “format was tough” but shrugged off Jeb’s poor performance. “Jeb is a doer, not a debater,” he told CNN.

But one family friend suggested to Politico that Jeb schedule another family huddle to discuss his campaign’s future soon. “He has some tough decisions to make over Thanksgiving.”

Another nameless Republican who has reportedly endorsed Bush told Politico “Jeb tried too hard” during the CNBC debate, while another said he has a hard time imagining how Jeb recovers from his flailing performance.

Conservative columnist Ramesh Ponnuru, whose wife still works for Jeb having apparently survived last week’s massive campaign layoffs, wrote that “Bush needed a good debate after having to make staff cutbacks last week, and this wasn’t it.”‘

Fox News contributor Guy Benson said Jeb “fizzled,” deeming Rubio’s slap down “lights out for Jeb.”

“Bush was MIA. Rubio won,” Republican strategist Liz Mair told Business Insider. Former senior John McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called Wednesday the worst day of Jeb’s campaign on MSNBC. “Marco Rubio knocked Jeb Bush out tonight, flat on his butt.”

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough laughed that Jeb’s “donors are running for the exit.” Matt Drudge predicted Jeb’s impending doom and return to life off the Paleo diet with this Twitter quip:

MATT DRUDGE
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Jeb Bush can eat carbs now... #GOPDebate
10:56 PM - 28 Oct 2015

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Daily Caller’s Matt Lewis called on Jeb to quit the race for the sake of the Republican establishment:

At this point, it seems the likelihood of Bush a) tarnishing his reputation and b) inadvertently helping Donald Trump win the GOP nomination greatly exceeds the chance that he could turn things around. His body language betrays a guy who doesn’t really want to do what it takes to win today — and who is out of step with the current Republican Party.

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Thoughtful conservatives, if they are to stop Donald Trump and Ben Carson, must — at some point — coalesce around an alternative. Marco Rubio seems the most likely choice. Unless Jeb Bush destroys him.

Does Bush really want that to be his legacy?

And it’s not just conservatives piling on the Jeb’s dead bandwagon.

CNN’s Alisyn Camerota criticized Bush for not appearing on “New Day” Thursday to recap his debate performance the night before, noting that various other candidates made the time to appear post-debate.

Nate Silver said “Jeb Bush is toast,” noting that FiveThirtyEight’s staff straw poll gave “Bush’s average grade was a C-, putting him at the bottom of the 10-candidate group.”

“Bush needed to appear as the strongest establishment candidate,” said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute. “He didn’t achieve that.”

As for Rubio, who delivered the knockout punch to Jeb on the debate stage, his nomination prospects have surged to more than one-in-three in the wake of the CNBC debate, according to the prediction markets.

 

[JackLuis]

The CNBC Moderators Actually Were Bad, But Not In the Way GOP Claims

The CNBC moderators were subjected to criticism on all sides during the beginning, middle and end of the debate and it was mostly deserved–a fantasy football question, really? Some conservatives called for GOP Chairman Reince Priebus to be canned for even allowing CNBC to be a host. The temperature under his collar rising, Priebus then blasted CNBC. Not to be outdone on the Ragemeter 9000, the man with the most difficult job in America–running Jeb! Bush’s campaign–got into a confrontation with a CNBC producer. It was that kind of night.

The CNBC moderators did deserve criticism. Not just for the triviality of their inquiries, but for not demanding answers to very basic questions and letting the candidates repeat complete falsehoods.

BNR BOTTOM LINE: Someday soon an enterprising sort will invent a fact-checker that can call the candidates on their bullshit in real time. This will be of immense benefit to humanity.

Ya' hear that Zuckerman?