Obama blasts the evil 1%'ers

[Wrong Element]

Remember the good old days when thread titles had some relationship to the contents of their first post?

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, you did not.

You made an unsupported statement and I called you on it.

When I called you out, then you asked your serious hypothetical question.

You cannot now be intellectually honest about hiding behind the latter in order to avoid the former.

Tell us when this golden age was. Tell us the how mechanisms of taxation worked against the backdrop of reality.

Fair enough.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/US_Effective_Corporate_Tax_Rate_1947-2011_v2.jpghttp://www.data360.org/temp/dsg475_500_350.jpg

After we got a bunch of money together life was pretty fuckin good...we built super infrastructure, put man on the moon kicking the tech revolution off leading to all kinds of gangster shit we enjoy today like phones that will GPS you to wherever you want whenever you want, just ask.

And not to long after tax cuts...shit started coming apart....and the peoples relationship with the government at a bare fucking minimum has been going downhill along with the tax rates ever sense. That infrastructure is falling apart, schools are a joke, space and science are now defunded in favor of Jesus and the only thing we are number 1 at now is locking and or blowing people up in the name of freedom.

http://media.mtvne.com/manual/intl/warner/2009/USWBV0400217_640x480_01.jpg

Now you can keep persisting that moar spending + moar tax cuts = better off but I just don't see that being the case.

Care to point out where the low tax rates you and yours are pushing for has ever been good for anyone but the elite minority of gazzilionaires creating massive income disparity leading to massive socioeconomic/political tensions and even warfare? Not to mention risk of your currency totally shitting the bed because you ran up an insurmountable debt and decided to just not pay for the shit. Effectively pissing the world off because greedy fuckin' bitch move.

1 country. Point to your republican paradise champ.....let's see it. No ancient quotes and examples from some bullshit info wars article. Show me the limited government, super low taxes , no schools, no health care, most advanced military ever paradise that is doing it better than us because more republican conservative than we are...

Show me the more militant republican conservative country that has a happier, healthier, better educated and more advanced civilization than us because they blew the bank and slashed taxes....

I want to see where unsustainable over the top austerity benefited a nation.....

Ok I can't fuck around and excuse the safety shit away cuz the sun is now up...gotta roll home slice bbl.

 

[about_average]

If you look at the actual numbers for the last 70 years or so total tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has varied by only a few percentage points from the lowest to highest.
There's little correlation in those years between revenue and GDP growth rates. Certainly no smoking gun.

Actual effective tax rates seem to have little bearing on GDP.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you look at the actual numbers for the last 70 years or so total tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has varied by only a few percentage points from the lowest to highest.
There's little correlation in those years between revenue and GDP growth rates. Certainly no smoking gun.

Actual effective tax rates seem to have little bearing on GDP.

I agree, but the rates do have bearing on how the money is moving around within the economy.

Are we a bunch of disposable min wage/welfare slaves working for a hand full of fat cats or is the country flourishing and improving itself? There is a balance between crony capitalism and the equally bullshit purist communism....the pendulum is pretty far right and the rw will continue to shriek as much forever and ever all day long. But if we don't start blowing some money here on M'uiruch (not wall fucking street and GM either) and put some earnest effort into making M'uricuh a better place to live, shit's going to continue to decline until the roads the GOP hates paying for are too fucked up for them to use. At which point they will point, blame democrats and scream for moar tax cuts....voodoo problem fixing power!!


God damn it I really need to gtfo LOL fuck it

 

[doctor_insanus]

I agree, but the rates do have bearing on how the money is moving around within the economy.

Are we a bunch of disposable min wage/welfare slaves working for a hand full of fat cats or is the country flourishing and improving itself? There is a balance between crony capitalism and the equally bullshit purist communism....the pendulum is pretty far right and the rw will continue to shriek as much forever and ever all day long. But if we don't start blowing some money here on M'uiruch (not wall fucking street and GM either) and put some earnest effort into making M'uricuh a better place to live, shit's going to continue to decline until the roads the GOP hates paying for are too fucked up for them to use. At which point they will point, blame democrats and scream for moar tax cuts....voodoo problem fixing power!!


God damn it I really need to gtfo LOL fuck it

I've tried arguing those exact points with my hardline Far Right stepdad for years, and I haven't made a dent. The conservative mind just isn't able to wrap around the concept.

He's a lot cooler guy than the assholes in this thread, at least.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think he was being facetious. There are lots of people who have ordinary income in excess of $1M.

I doubt it. One of the core tenets of conservatism is the belief that the rich are somehow always able to avoid taxation.

 

[about_average]

I think he was being facetious.

Certainly possible, but he posts so much stuff in all seriousness that's patently false, one never knows.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1945–2015.jpg

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Funny how us in the hardline far right, *chuckle*, keep pointing out that as government grows, the middle class shrinks because only the middle class is affected by taxation, but here, again, we are experiencing the sole liberal solution to any problem.

Raise taxes. By golly and jumpin' Jehoshaphat, what we need is a 90% tax bracket!

A_J's corollary #11, “The New Age Liberal defines a fair share of taxes as, ‘When you pay your taxes, you have no more money left than anyone else has.’”

A_J's corollary #16, “The New Age Liberal does not believe that the government should always grow larger in the future. He just wants a little more government now.”

When Government gets so powerful that its purchase price is cost effective, even imperative, to business [millionaires and crony capitalists too!], then business will purchase government indulgences.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So, at 9:00 he still hadn't left for that 6-figure job...



... beginning to sound like LT more and more every day. Is it PTSD? Is it disability?

 

[Adre]

Let's make a five dollar bet. I say that if the Republican Party wins control of the Senate, then the White House, government spending will not decrease, and the deficit won't either.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Funny how us in the hardline far right, *chuckle*, keep pointing out that as government grows, the middle class shrinks because only the middle class is affected by taxation, but here, again, we are experiencing the sole liberal solution to any problem.

Raise taxes. By golly and jumpin' Jehoshaphat, what we need is a 90% tax bracket!

A_J's corollary #11, “The New Age Liberal defines a fair share of taxes as, ‘When you pay your taxes, you have no more money left than anyone else has.’”

A_J's corollary #16, “The New Age Liberal does not believe that the government should always grow larger in the future. He just wants a little more government now.”

When Government gets so powerful that its purchase price is cost effective, even imperative, to business [millionaires and crony capitalists too!], then business will purchase government indulgences.
A_J, the Stupid

What about teh Glibertarian Converse?

The moar you decrease taxes, teh moar the GDP increases....so theoretically a tax rate of ZERO is teh BEST!

A_J, the Stupid indeed!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We all know that the federal budget is a base-line budget and that if the Republicans even hint that they will cut into the automatic rate of growth that you will be here echoing the Democrat headlines reaching out to their true constituency about how the Republicans are trying to steal their Gaia-given rights as citizens and almost citizens away from them because they want to deny their access to education, health care, food, clean water, clean air, decent jobs, the middle class, a night at the opera, the movies, television and the White House...

Only an idiot offers up such a bet knowing that there will be no takers because the sweet honey of Sophism actually works on the typical liberal constituent who thinks only in terms of what can my country do for me.

 

[Adre]

We all know that the federal budget is a base-line budget and that if the Republicans even hint that they will cut into the automatic rate of growth that you will be here echoing the Democrat headlines reaching out to their true constituency about how the Republicans are trying to steal their Gaia-given rights as citizens and almost citizens away from them because they want to deny their access to education, health care, food, clean water, clean air, decent jobs, the middle class, a night at the opera, the movies, television and the White House...

Only an idiot offers up such a bet knowing that there will be no takers because the sweet honey of Sophism actually works on the typical liberal constituent who thinks only in terms of what can my country do for me.

Then do us all a favor and shut your fucking mouth and cram your charts. Thanks.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Then do us all a favor and shut your fucking mouth and cram your charts. Thanks.

You would not support a Republican effort to decrease the deficit because Obama would oppose it and you have shown consistent loyalty to the President and his goals.

So, keep yammering on about your unabashed centrism because it always amuses the fuck out of me.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

PS - I posted a chart.

Stick to the facts for a change.


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[about_average]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1945–2015.jpg

Yup, a visual of what I said.

 

[Adre]

You would not support a Republican effort to decrease the deficit because Obama would oppose it and you have shown consistent loyalty to the President and his goals.

So, keep yammering on about your unabashed centrism because it always amuses the fuck out of me.

In case you had not noticed the deficit has been rapidly decreasing under the colored man you so detest.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yup, a visual of what I said.

Yes.

We all know what the facts are, but some people find them inconvenient.

He really should look at the 1980s of his charts and make an excuse for that.

Here's another good look:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

 

[RobDownSouth]

You would not support a Republican effort to decrease the deficit because Obama would oppose it and you have shown consistent loyalty to the President and his goals.

So, keep yammering on about your unabashed centrism because it always amuses the fuck out of me.

Personally, I would not support a "Republican" effort to decrease the deficit as the Republicans would decrease the deficit by adversely impacting the poor and the elderly, i.e. "Let Grandma Eat Cat Food".

 

[NeverEndingMe]

the reason why obama hates the 1% is rather simple.

obama is a complete fuck up and has no clue how to 'earn' a dollar. the obama is a criminal and had to steal his wealth

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Personally, I would not support a "Republican" effort to decrease the deficit as the Republicans would decrease the deficit by adversely impacting the poor and the elderly, i.e. "Let Grandma Eat Cat Food".

dude, we get it you are a fucking idiot but please, put down that obama ass juice

 

[Adre]

Personally, I would not support a "Republican" effort to decrease the deficit as the Republicans would decrease the deficit by adversely impacting the poor and the elderly, i.e. "Let Grandma Eat Cat Food".

There is always 'ketchup' for a balanced diet of vegetables.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

if your kind would get a job, and stop sucking the life out of tax payers ...

Fair enough.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/US_Effective_Corporate_Tax_Rate_1947-2011_v2.jpghttp://www.data360.org/temp/dsg475_500_350.jpg

After we got a bunch of money together life was pretty fuckin good...we built super infrastructure, put man on the moon kicking the tech revolution off leading to all kinds of gangster shit we enjoy today like phones that will GPS you to wherever you want whenever you want, just ask.

And not to long after tax cuts...shit started coming apart....and the peoples relationship with the government at a bare fucking minimum has been going downhill along with the tax rates ever sense. That infrastructure is falling apart, schools are a joke, space and science are now defunded in favor of Jesus and the only thing we are number 1 at now is locking and or blowing people up in the name of freedom.

http://media.mtvne.com/manual/intl/warner/2009/USWBV0400217_640x480_01.jpg

Now you can keep persisting that moar spending + moar tax cuts = better off but I just don't see that being the case.

Care to point out where the low tax rates you and yours are pushing for has ever been good for anyone but the elite minority of gazzilionaires creating massive income disparity leading to massive socioeconomic/political tensions and even warfare? Not to mention risk of your currency totally shitting the bed because you ran up an insurmountable debt and decided to just not pay for the shit. Effectively pissing the world off because greedy fuckin' bitch move.

1 country. Point to your republican paradise champ.....let's see it. No ancient quotes and examples from some bullshit info wars article. Show me the limited government, super low taxes , no schools, no health care, most advanced military ever paradise that is doing it better than us because more republican conservative than we are...

Show me the more militant republican conservative country that has a happier, healthier, better educated and more advanced civilization than us because they blew the bank and slashed taxes....

I want to see where unsustainable over the top austerity benefited a nation.....

Ok I can't fuck around and excuse the safety shit away cuz the sun is now up...gotta roll home slice bbl.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In case you had not noticed the deficit has been rapidly decreasing under the colored man you so detest.

*chuckle*

More baseline math.

Because, after 2010 (which who knows why that would be of any significance, beats the hell out of me, Obama wasn't on the ballot and got to stay in office), the deficit has been growing more slowly, the National debt is increasing by Billions instead of Trillions and because you love your President, he gets all of the credit, even as we pass off more to our grandchildren so that rich guys who can afford health care can force an insurance company to pick up some of their tab for a pre-existing condition.

I'll bet you were patting yourself on the back for being such a clever fellow as you were typing knowing that most of the people you are talking at really do not know the difference between deficit and debt.

The only important thing here, to you, is, seemingly, that the only problem here is that "Republicans" are too niggardly in giving Obama his mad props even as he rejected measure after measure to stop the bleeding, preferring to keep the leeches attached to the Middle Class.