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miss_emiii said:
i understand that hes a figurehead for a lot of pain and suffering for A LOT of people, but to celebrate in the streets like this really changes everything seems a bit naive. It took us 10 years to find and kill him, and the ideas and beliefs that he stood for are going to be a billion times harder to kill than he was.
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Oh, I think it's good to see American celebrating something for a change. We are usually on alert because of some threat and forced into body searches at airports and limited carry on because of this man and his followers. It feels good to have a bit of release from the stress we live in, today. The people in front of the White House are just students with finals tomorrow and so some of them might not get high marks because they're hanging out in the streets tonight.

But I do agree with you that he was nothing more than a figure head. If we had been lucky enough to get him early on, it might have been more of an impact on terrorism, but it's really been too long for that. He will be seen as a martyr to those who follow him and probably inspire even more attempts at Americans than there would be if we hadn't killed him.

But, I'm still glad we got him. It's a shot in the arm for our troops and it shows the others on our list that we won't give up until we get all of them.
 
Stella_Omega said:
I agree.

If it had happened on or before 10/01 then maybe we could pump our fists in the air. As it is, American foreign policy has done too much damage for too little reason since then.

I know people hate to hear this.
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This, and what emeii said. As an individual responsible for thousands of murders, a measure of justice has been meted out this day...but we've far from cut the head off a dragon. It took us 10 years to cut the head off a hydra we helped create. The Heads of terrorism bite at the heads of American Policy and the Body of both peoples is stuck in the middle.

At first I had positive feelings about Osama's death...but the more I sit on it the less thrilled I am. Justice be done, but this is far from a celebratory event. The most positive thing that will come of this is the morale boost to the troops and the American people. I suppose that is worth something, at least.
 
What I think a lot of people don't get is the fact that he is NOT just a "figurehead".

He actively raised money for and recruited to his organization, up until the day he was killed. He financially aided Al Qaeda from his own personal fortune and he didn't just command the attacks on 9/11, but many more. He was not only the voice behind Al Qeada, but the person directing their violence.

If he didn't die, more harm would come from him. He wasn't going to be persuaded to stop, in my opinion we had no choice.

Just because deaths have happened on both sides because of this war does not in any way lessen the importance of his death.
 
This compound he was in covers a very large area and is three stories high with 18 foot tall security walls, barbed wire and two security gates. The third story terrace also has a seven foot wall around it. CIA says it is supposed that Bin Laden and two of his sons had been living there off and on since 2005.

It should be noted that a structure like that should be difficult NOT to notice and you'd think someone would wonder who lived there. It's kind of like the white elephant in the living room. You can't help but see it and wonder who is behind that secure of a structure...unless you already know.
 
DVS said:
This compound he was in covers a very large area and is three stories high with 18 foot tall security walls, barbed wire and two security gates. The third story terrace also has a seven foot wall around it. CIA says it is supposed that Bin Laden and two of his sons had been living there off and on since 2005.

It should be noted that a structure like that should be difficult NOT to notice and you'd think someone would wonder who lived there. It's kind of like the white elephant in the living room. You can't help but see it and wonder who is behind that secure of a structure...unless you already know.
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I agree little funny I thought myself. Perfect timing for Obama
 
satindesire said:
What I think a lot of people don't get is the fact that he is NOT just a "figurehead".

He actively raised money for and recruited to his organization, up until the day he was killed. He financially aided Al Qaeda from his own personal fortune and he didn't just command the attacks on 9/11, but many more. He was not only the voice behind Al Qeada, but the person directing their violence.

If he didn't die, more harm would come from him. He wasn't going to be persuaded to stop, in my opinion we had no choice.

Just because deaths have happened on both sides because of this war does not in any way lessen the importance of his death.
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I agree for the most part with what you say. But, in the last few years, while still in charge of the big picture, he was so much in the background, others were in the forefront with leadership.

He was the guy in charge, and I'm sure it has caused an impact in the Al Qeada system. But, because the organization is so large after 10 years, outwardly, his death will be seen as mostly a figurehead. By no means does anything stop with his death. It may even escalate attempts at Americans.

I do see this as a day to celebrate, if you are American, a New Yorker, members of or a family member of the NYPD, FDNY or a family member of a 9/11 victim. It gives you a small and long awaited sense of closure...period.
 
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miss_emiii said:
i understand that hes a figurehead for a lot of pain and suffering for A LOT of people, but to celebrate in the streets like this really changes everything seems a bit naive. It took us 10 years to find and kill him, and the ideas and beliefs that he stood for are going to be a billion times harder to kill than he was.
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Yep, and for me, I find it difficult to rejoice and celebrate the death of anyone. Nothing to do with politics or terrorism, just humanity and spirituality. I don't see this as the magical fix for anything, more revenge, and that usually ends badly one way or another.
 
DVS said:
I agree for the most part with what you say. But, in the last few years, while still in charge of the big picture, he was so much in the background, others were in the forefront with leadership.

He was the guy in charge, and I'm sure it has caused an impact in the Al Qeada system. But, because the organization is so large after 10 years, outwardly, his death will be seen as mostly a figurehead. By no means does anything stop with his death. It may even escalate attempts at Americans.
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Not just Americans, Brits and Australians who are outside their country have also been warned to be very alert and careful, and if possible not to leave their homes unless absolutely necessary. This never was just an American issue, though for America it was often promoted as such and this is one reason why in recent years many in the world have had problems with the US attitude. Then I read only a few days ago that a warning had been issued that if Bin Laden was killed, a nuclear bomb had already been planted somewhere in Europe and would be used as payback. The world is both a big and a small place, not just one place.
 
I have to say, that was one expensive asshole to bag. We have lost 4,444 US Soldiers, to this war.
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satindesire said:
That was just a false rumor. He wasn't on dialysis.

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All I can say is...Ding Dong, the Bastard's Dead!

Here's a round for the S.E.A.L.S. on me.
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I stand corrected. Many sites do indicate that was a rumor, and I believed it.
 
catalina_francisco said:
Not just Americans, Brits and Australians who are outside their country have also been warned to be very alert and careful, and if possible not to leave their homes unless absolutely necessary. This never was just an American issue, though for America it was often promoted as such and this is one reason why in recent years many in the world have had problems with the US attitude. Then I read only a few days ago that a warning had been issued that if Bin Laden was killed, a nuclear bomb had already been planted somewhere in Europe and would be used as payback. The world is both a big and a small place, not just one place.
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What I meant by that statement was because it was American troops that invaded his fortress and got him, there will probably be a retaliation at them. But, it is true, if you side with America against any of these guys, you are also targeted.

It doesn't bother me that Americans are not thought of as the nice guys we once were. It comes with the territory. But nobody is immune when talking about Al Qeada's "revenge". They even kill innocent Muslims, just to get one of us.
 
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DC transit system has stepped up security. It's definitely possible the US could be targeted with an attack. But yeah, I could see individual retaliation against pretty much anyone from an English speaking country.
 
I wanted him dead. I can't believe it took this long. What does it say about us both as individuals and as a country that we feel this way? Where is the high ground?

I am reminded of a story titled Strength, that ends this way:

"When Man enters the forest he has to walk by himself.

The animals still talk of Man …

'That creature Man …' They say, 'He is the one who cannot tell the difference between strength and death.'"
 
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