emeraldman
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now this is a good thread! and everyone is right in some sence, and Im sure that some hos enjoy the pain at times and some dont! simple and complicated, keep writing!
Pimps, the original doms?
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roscoe said,
I think people like Iceberg Slim, who was notorious for kidnapping and terrorizing helpless women, are "doms" in the same sense that serial killers and lust murderers and rapists are "doms"---it comes from the same root; as I have always claimed, yet doesn't amount to the same thing in the end.
What interests me is that it DOES come from the same root. In every dom, an inner pimp, an inner rapist.
This is well put. the conventional view is of qualitative difference . There are gentle dom-ish impulses (toward consensual play) found in the good folks, and nasty 'abusive' impulses (to hurt, to cause pain, to selfishly enjoy) found in the bad.
Your view as far as I understand it, is, I think, correct, fwiw; it is that there is a certain group of perverse impulses (sadistic/agressive/rageful) which are concerned with one's getting off, and which require it be through the subordination and/or pain in the partner. These are found on both sides of the fence: no qualitative difference, in basic impulse, between 'dominant,'and abuser or rapist.
Hence the more interesting problem of the 'fine line' , the 'why?' it doesn't, as you say, amount to the same thing in the end, why you are not Son of Sam?
pimp, rapist, abuser, president of the BDSM league, etc. are all grappling with the same impulses to varying degree of success, and with varying legal outcomes.
I think people like Iceberg Slim, who was notorious for kidnapping and terrorizing helpless women, are "doms" in the same sense that serial killers and lust murderers and rapists are "doms"---it comes from the same root; as I have always claimed, yet doesn't amount to the same thing in the end.
What interests me is that it DOES come from the same root. In every dom, an inner pimp, an inner rapist.
This is well put. the conventional view is of qualitative difference . There are gentle dom-ish impulses (toward consensual play) found in the good folks, and nasty 'abusive' impulses (to hurt, to cause pain, to selfishly enjoy) found in the bad.
Your view as far as I understand it, is, I think, correct, fwiw; it is that there is a certain group of perverse impulses (sadistic/agressive/rageful) which are concerned with one's getting off, and which require it be through the subordination and/or pain in the partner. These are found on both sides of the fence: no qualitative difference, in basic impulse, between 'dominant,'and abuser or rapist.
Hence the more interesting problem of the 'fine line' , the 'why?' it doesn't, as you say, amount to the same thing in the end, why you are not Son of Sam?
pimp, rapist, abuser, president of the BDSM league, etc. are all grappling with the same impulses to varying degree of success, and with varying legal outcomes.
Marquis
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Nostalgia
I just finished watching Hustle and Flow again and I can't get over how charmed I am by the portrayal of a pimp and his small family of ho's. It's like the ideal life, minus the poverty and prostitution.
I have so many theories and opinions on this it's ridiculous, more coming later.
I just finished watching Hustle and Flow again and I can't get over how charmed I am by the portrayal of a pimp and his small family of ho's. It's like the ideal life, minus the poverty and prostitution.
I have so many theories and opinions on this it's ridiculous, more coming later.
Marquis said:
Hmmmm.... the BDSM crowd, as you put it, or perhaps merely the organized ones are some of the ones who share this pheonomenon, but, as a marked trait, we also generally treat it in a.... well, for lack of a nicer term, sane way. This is why you'll often see us taking a sort of pride in it, and often why we will try to exclude those who would shame us as a whole, IE the aforementioned serial rapists and such, from being "Doms" or "subs" in the same way we are, despite the fact that it's not the "Dominant" or "submissive" parts of ourselves that differ, it's the self-restraint and respect for other people. That is why one can see a bit of elitism amongst us.
And, as for pimps being the most 'authentic' Doms, well, that strikes me as saying some people are more authentically angry than some people, just because others don't punch people in the face when they get upset. It may be true in a strange way, but it's more than a little foolish.
It takes more strength to control a strong reaction than to let it rage.
FurryFury
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This just out; a Harvard research paper was released just hours ago. It seems they have been studying web chat function interaction which somehow has been able to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt that the first ever Dom was, in fact, a Pimp, known far and wide as Slappy McSlapsaLot.
Just doing my part to keep people here up to date and informed.
*bats lashes and blushes, then bows*
Fury
Just doing my part to keep people here up to date and informed.
*bats lashes and blushes, then bows*
Fury
MechaBlade
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Although I think pimps probably push their hoes a little too far, not taking their "subs" needs/wants into consideration, I agree that it kinda fits the BDSM lifestyle in many ways. I plan to write an erotic story or screenplay or something where it is revealed that a "pimp/ho" situation is nothing more than a 24/7 BDSM situation. I haven't fleshed any details out yet.Marquis said:
MechaBlade
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Wow. I've never been referred to as "a more accomplished writer."Marquis said:
Hey, if you've got a good idea, I'm open to it.
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MechaBlade said:
I have a fairly well developed idea that I think would translate well into an impressive drama type story without needing an excessive budget.
If you want to discuss this further, let's take it to PM land, I want to try and preserve the sanctity of this thread.
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catalina_francisco said:
I can't remember if I read these when they were originally posted a few years ago, but upon reading them recently I found them most fascinating. There are many details that are far more horrendous than I had imagined, particularly in how many prostitutes are captured and trained as children. The suicide and mortality rate among prostitues is equally tragic.
There were also several frightening similarities to the control tactics I've seen BDSM dominants use to control their partners.
rosco rathbone
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fX6EaHuRCg
Great documentary. I admit to being stimulated at first by the pimp-cam footage of young women being browbeaten but before long I was cheering for the bastards to go to jail. It'll give you the up-ups, especially the last scene with the ex-teenaged hooker-now a social worker and happy mother-singing a capella gospel at the Christmas party for abandoned girls.
It's fascinating to see how something that starts off not too short of kidnapping ends up being an emotional addiction that these women have to struggle against like junkies or alkies trying to go clean.
Great documentary. I admit to being stimulated at first by the pimp-cam footage of young women being browbeaten but before long I was cheering for the bastards to go to jail. It'll give you the up-ups, especially the last scene with the ex-teenaged hooker-now a social worker and happy mother-singing a capella gospel at the Christmas party for abandoned girls.
It's fascinating to see how something that starts off not too short of kidnapping ends up being an emotional addiction that these women have to struggle against like junkies or alkies trying to go clean.
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wonderful movie!
reading through this i couldn't help but think of the Pimp and ho parties found on college campuses. hmmmm... i think if i could choose any time period to live out that little fantasy, it would have to be a harem. all that silk and scantily clad bodies... the ancient Pimps and ho's. that's where it's at.
YourCaptor
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No, I don’t think my kind of bondage is like that.
Sex is not the objective here, sex is a good means of obtaining that objective though.
Even so, alone standing sex wont do it.
Promiscuity is just about the opposite of what I’m trying to achieve.
I think the old women do as told sexist culture is much more similar then pimping.
Sex is not the objective here, sex is a good means of obtaining that objective though.
Even so, alone standing sex wont do it.
Promiscuity is just about the opposite of what I’m trying to achieve.
I think the old women do as told sexist culture is much more similar then pimping.
