Poll for SRP writers & Moderators

[Sweetp4u]

*smacks self in forehead*

I am so dense I forgot to add I counted your vote Star and ty for voting

Tell your fellow SRP writers to vote please, yes or no doesn't matter. Debate away, pros and con's etc. Even if the numbers are far greater than another, if too many here really dislike the idea I wont encourage the new sub forum with Laurel.


*squishes the typo fairy for messin with the keyboard*

 

[StarXChyld]

Hey SweetP. . .

. . .I didn't mean to upset you.

I realize the title of "Mod" can be a thankless job. Thank you for doing your best and trying to make Lit a better place. Keep up the great work!

I think it's great you've open this up for discussion and I'll respect whatever decision is made. It's nice to have a vote in the matter.

Thanks again!

 

[Sweetp4u]

Oh I really hate no 'tone of voice' online lol
Im not upset Star, not with anyone in here. But ty for thinking about me And ty for the encouragement.

It's just that I dont want to come across on this thing as "its my say so or else" or "My way or the highway" probably am tho huh? Im trying NOT to.. I just would like to make it more "homey", while doing the job and still be able to find time to write. I should say doing the job RIGHT. I keep messing up, but Im learnin
I dont want others to think i 'hate' their clubs or want them gone and at the same time i dont want to hear again "You arent doing your job right". See my problem?

and i hate stepping on toes!

its a good idea if thought about, and then again if thought about too much those in the clubs feel 'unwanted' which isnt true. and the threads could stay where they are and we could still make a new ooc lounge in srp for the new ones? Just a compromise, i'm open to suggestions but some how think my vote doesnt really count because im not in a club. *shrugs*

*hugs* star you are a kind person and you have a great gift for words (as do so many here)

 

[chanaud]

I'm don't think all OOC's will die. The established ones will stay. I was using the example of when someone started four in one night. They sunk like the Titanic. Which is good, because we don't want to fill the SRP forum with cattiness.

Star, I never did give an explanation why I stopped posting at Rick's. It upset me so much at the time I was too bitter to talk about it. Now that I'm over it, I'll be glad to let you in why.

I had started a thread with another poster, who a Rick's poster had seen as an enemy. When that particular Rick's poster saw the thread, he went off on me, berated me for posting with the 'enemy'. It made me realize that Rick's posters are too exclusive. I'm not saying all are. Some are. I found myself falling in that category. And, I wanted to seperate myself from the so called 'cliques'. Just because I don't post at OOC's, it doesn't mean I'm against them. It's a wonderful place to meet writing partners.

Ok, on to the topic at hand. Here's a thought - if a subforum is created for the five OOC's we have now, won't it just encourage posters to create more?

Tiger had a good point - If you are going to create a subforum then all OOC's should be moved. Rules are rules. Let's not create biased <sp?> decisions. The moderators have enough on their hands without adding additional responsibilites.

Ok, enough rambling. I am busy at work. <grin>

for Star! I miss ya too!!!

 

[Snork Maiden]

Hi SweetP

These are my thoughts on what has been proposed and why I think you should leave the OOC's where they are.

Someone mentioned OOC's clogging up the forum, I don't understand how that can be even considered to be true.The number of OOC's is far fewer than the number of active SRP threads.

People have a choice to subscribe to threads they enjoy I am sure I am not the only one that makes use of that function on LIT. I use lits main list very in frequently and my subscribed threads nearly all the time.

If an OOC appears to be on the first page of the SRP threads lists then surely that indicates it is an active thread and people are using it.

People have a choice of how they view the threads in the main view so they can choose by date or what ever

The OOC's provide a meeting point for people who write together, in that respect they are very mush tied to the SRP forum

You say the OOC SRP sub forum will be part of SRP, of course it won't it will be a new forum. A sub forum by definition is a separate forum you have just decided to link it under SRP and say it's a sub forum to make it sound like a good idea.

Personally I don't distinguish one thread from another, if its OOC and I post to it its still a thread, if it's a story thread then I'll post to that too.

I get the impression the people complaining about this issue are the people that feel thier threads aren't getting enough spotlight. All I can say is post to your threads them more often, open them up so that more people can join in and naturally by the number of increased posts they will remain in the main view. Why should a thread which involves just 2 people be more important than one that allows the whole community to participate.

If you are going to do a forum split I suggest a much better idea would be to have an Open Thread SRP and a Closed Thread SRP. At least then writers wouldn't have to both with the threads they can't participate in.

Keep the OOC's where they are, they may not be for everybody, and each OOC has it own flavor, but they are open for everyone, any body can post in there meet people and discuss their stories, lifes whatever.

I think moving them to a new forum and it will be a new forum is a very bad idea.

And Chanaud, I know you are very much missed by a lot of people from Rick's, many who have also followed your lead unfortunately, but your reasons and sentiment I can understand very much. It is just good to see that you are active in many threads around the SRP forum

 

[Sweetp4u]

Ty SN..

for your vote, its noted..

Tho I cant resist and have to point out the obvious escaping some ppl's notice here...
Srp is for stories, private or open, any sexual topic can be written about in there. That is the boards purpose.

As reguarding private threads:

IMHO-

They wouldn't be private if people who joined the threads stuck them out a little longer, worked together for the plot outside of the story line, (when involving alot of people) and took time to thuroughly write out each scene and not race off..
Now im not preaching, I've made many of the same mistakes Ive listed above, but as I write with people I noticed where my flaws were and still are and try and work on it.
I also make private threads to write with people who WANT to write with me. Ive had some pretty big threads in SRP with alot of writers in it, whom vanished without a word for various unknown reasons.. You cant blame people for writing one on one when it is more fun to do so than deal with 6 people aruging through ooc's the entire post, hating what someone else did in the thread and refusing to bend.. etc.
I still say it is FICTION and it is ROLE PLAY and you should be able to work around someone's post, work within it as well and continue the story forward.. but for some that is not possible. And many here do have ego's.. Hell I was on one in ORP for one of my threads. lol So you know, this mod isnt perfect and still trying to get harmony
Ty for listenin
Sp

 

[SexyChele]

My first "home" here at Lit was the SRP, and I stayed here for quite some time before venturing out to any of the other forums. When I arrived here, there was no such thing as an "OOC Club". If some one wanted to write, they had to get up the courage and just jump in. I made many, many mistakes. In some instances I know I looked like a fool. But, to its credit, there are an enormous number of folks on the SRP who are patient, kind, and understanding. I was helped out many times from fellow writers - and I appreciate all of them.

I was involved in the creation of three of the "OOC Clubs", and I have to agree with CG - many of my best and worse times stemmed from them. But, they offer a respite, a place to get to know people outside of the roles they play. Are there cliques? Yes, I suppose so. There is on every single forum at Lit. It's human nature, no matter how badly one tries to run from them.

I think if you weigh the good against the bad, one will find the good does prevail. I've seen a lot of OOC clubs started, only to drop to page 9 by the next day. It's the motive behind them. The ones that survive (and I really only know of 2 that have survived for any length of time), do so because those involved feel a kinship for them.

If a sub forum is created, I have a few reservations. 1. The forum will be extremely difficult to locate. The Playground broke off from the Personals, and unless some one is directed to it specifically, or is "click happy", it is hard to find. It is not present on the main bulletin board at all. One must either enter the "Personals" section, or use the "jump to:" feature - things I wouldn't know how to use if I were new. Just a thought. 2. The Playground (the only standard by which this can be judged), has, in my opinion, turned into a horrible nightmare. It is a clique of the most gigantic proportions. If there is any one single forum that is the most unwelcoming, it is that one. Well-established cliques, giggly, flirty, nonsensical, and gargantuan threads that are overly intimidating to anyone not in on it from the beginning makes the place, overall, inhospitable to any except those who post there regularly.

If a sub forum were created in the SRP, I'm wondering: would it be as difficult to find as the Playground? Also, would it simply encourage a mass extension of the Playground? If so, I would have nothing to do with it. I don't frequent the Playground, and I wouldn't frequent anything that resembled an offshoot of it.

My vote would be to leave the OOCs where they are. Those that develop a following do so for a reason. Those that have continued on for a year or so (only 1 or 2, btw) have done so because they do serve a purpose. (and no, I'm not saying this because I was in on the beginning of one - I rarely go there anymore due to time constraints)

As for the idea that "only" chatting occurs in these - and I can really only speak for the Rooftop - I must take some issue. Yes, there is flirting and chatting and stuff, I will agree. Yet, there are, more often than not, issues that directly relate to SRP discussed there as well. As an example: as recently as last week, a contest was held on the Rooftop, and all were welcome to it, that encouraged people to come up with new ideas for SRPs. There was a category for multi-player as well as one on one. People presented their ideas, laid out the plots, and the others voted on them. Two "winners" were announced, and should be underway shortly. This, to me, is not idle "chatting". This is relative to SRP. Should these types of things be relegated to a separate forum where those who do not visit do not have the benefit of knowing about this? I don't think so.

As well, the Roof has, many times, brought forth a "question of the day" - most attempting to tie it into roleplay.

Maybe those who do not frequent the "OOC Clubs" on principle miss these opportunities. So be it. It's a free world. But there are many who do. Many who present ideas, meet fellow writers, and bounce off ideas as to why ideas didn't fly. I don't see the benefit of turning them over onto a separate, hard to find, forum is going to bring about. If some one doesn't wish to participate in an "OOC Club", they simply don't click on it. Most are clearly labelled as such, and if they are not, they should be. That way, those who have no interest can simply avoid them. And those who wish to participate are free to do so.

My vote is to allow them to stay as they are.

 

[hunting_tiger]

First of all. Sweet it makes me happy to see that you don't have much to do as a moderator. This must mean that the people who visit SRP follows the guidelines that are set up here and that you and all other moderators do a good job.

Tho I cant resist and have to point out the obvious escaping some ppl's notice here...
Srp is for stories, private or open, any sexual topic can be written about in there. That is the boards purpose.
Sp

I assume this means that you yourself conform my suggestion that if you start to move OOC's you have to move all OOC's and not only 1 club at ORP and 4 here in SRP.

I am also affraid that you will hurt people if you start moving threads and say this stuff doesn't belong to SRP because it is Playground stuff or just another chat room.

I would never have stayed at Lit (read SRP) if it hadn't been the friendly encouragement i as a newbee got in the OOC clubs and from the moderator.

Even the best of intentions might fail. Will any newbee make a post in announcement when half of the posts are from people telling the world that they are horny ?

Thanks once more for doing a job that must be difficult at times.

 

[ariosto]

Okay I was gonna wait..(bleary eyed from a thousand mile ride home this morning)
But since we only had till yesterday to offer an opinion I think I better throw in a brief two cents worth here...

I think the rooms should stay where they are.
They are not all created equal. The Roof from it's inception has veered away from the 'chatroom' idea. Call us a bulletin Board if you wish. But we are NOT a chatroom. There is a posting limit at the Roof to keep it from straying in that direction. My original idea in starting the OOC concept at the SRP Forum (I was the culprit.)
was to provide a meeting place for people to discuss ideas and concepts that related to Sexual Role Play and not to be just another one liner chat room.

I personaly would not like to see the Roof listed on a Forum where it is delineated as being what it is not.
I also agree that having to go to another forum to find these places, even though it would only add a click or two...might be the difference between a new member discovering them or not.

I don't agree with the argument that they are cluttering up the SRPForum. Everyday new and empty threads are posted that quickly die in much greater numbers than the 5 active Clubs represent.

Yeah I guess I'm of the opinion if it "ain't broke don't fix it."
that someone above me posted.

Okay...now I'm gonna shut down this monitor and shut down these tired eyes.

Last note...Please do not think Sweet or AR that I'm slighting your
proposal. I'm just offering my own point of view.

 

[Sweetp4u]

WOW

lol thats alot of stuff to read through today and thank you everyone for your opinions.

First off I would like to say I wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings on purpose, But it is nessecary at times to move things where they belong. I have never moved threads to ORP from SRP. Frankly I think they are all better off in orp, whether sexual or not. Frankly there are more writers in SRP than there are in ORP.

Secondly, I can see how the threads (clubs) are helpful to people. It is a moderator's descision what to ignore and let go and what to move. Meaning I could move the threads to playground, no questions asked and nothing would be done about it. Or I can leave them where they are. Depends on my mood and if people get nasty with me Course I'm rarely in a bad mood. To move the clubs to playground would be doing my job. I chose not to, no biggy. And yes, it would help if I did visit these places and see for myself how they are inside. *grins* Ari was even sweet enought to make a welcome thread, before I even got here (thanks for that one Ari )

Thirdly the sub forum, I would ask Laurel to stick it to the top of SRP board (if that is possible) so it would be easily accessible. BUT if the votes do not favor this sub forum, it WONT go in. Simple as that. And yes I could see moving all ooc's to this subforum if and only IF it was linked to SRP main board first page.

And there would be moderating in the sub forum as well, so things did not get out of hand. Generally SRP writers here are smart enough to avoid the "smutty" and "boring" ooc clubs and let them die and or run their course. In a subforum, they would do the same as they do in SRP. Now if I gave the go ahead and make all the ooc clubs anyone wants to, do you think they would remain only 4 or 5 or escalate into twenty? Me, I have no idea and thats what i wonder often, but not that much

It's really up to the people in here, take no offfense over this sub forum, its not a slight or insult to anyone. Neither is calling them "chatting" clubs, because that is what they are. Doesnt matter the topic (enlightening or dense) they are just people socializing. (which is not a bad thing). guide lines dictate srp is for stories, role played stories. We know this, ooc clubs aren't sexual role played stories. *groans* oh who cares about that!
Basicly it's just to keep things neat and organized Nothing more.

This idea was just to open new doors and new ideas and expand lit and I felt make it better. Because everything isnt on ONE forum, doesnt mean its the end of the world. IMHO... And nothing drastic would happen or kill any of us if the clubs stayed where they are. Well until they get out of hand..or if they did.

When I came here a year ago, I recall about 7 or 8 ooc clubs constantly on the first page bumping the stories back further and further, it looked to me to be a chat forum, not a writing forum. I kept looking around, found stories that interested me and read them. When I figured out the 'user cp' the second day, I didn't even visit the main board, just to avoid the 'crap' I didn't want to read through. (now dont take offense at that!) My best friend I introduced into lit felt the same as I did. But we said nothing to anyone, figured it was 'how things were' and got used to it. most of the clubs died away and it became easier to spot new things that interested us. When I became a moderator, nothing really was said but a few basics, then the guide lines for mod'ing were posted. Thats when I learned that we're supposed to keep things 'in their places'... And I dont know how long I've been a moderator, but I haven't moved anything really anywhere. The people were content with how the board was, little was reported..if anything at all.. So great I was content as well..
Then i get told I am not doing my job right and I cant be 'buddies' with the whole board and avoid doing my job. lol still I haven't done it. "Why fix it if it isnt broken" right?
For now everything is peachy and I am content with how it is. This was just an idea for the future. I asked Laurel about the ooc clubs. unsure if it was a 'big deal' not to move them. She came up with this idea, a vote on it and see how it goes and if it is wanted. Since I am not in trouble for letting things slide by, Im all for voting, deciding and going on with things. If it goes through, ok. If it doesnt, Ok. Does this help a little more explain whats going on?? To let ya know it isnt an insult or slight on anyone or any 'group'? It's an option, to keep the boards clean of nothing but stories and allow chatting without limitations on the thread count. And it could just remain as it is... Up to you all, not me.

 

[Snork Maiden]

At the risk of sounding contrary, which I usually am,

She came up with this idea, a vote on it and see how it goes and if it is wanted. Since I am not in trouble for letting things slide by, Im all for voting, deciding and going on with things. If it goes through, ok. If it doesnt, Ok. Does this help a little more explain whats going on?? To let ya know it isnt an insult or slight on anyone or any 'group'? It's an option, to keep the boards clean of nothing but stories and allow chatting without limitations on the thread count. And it could just remain as it is... Up to you all, not me.

sounds very much like Pontius Pilate offering to release a convict in a last bid attempt to save Christ from Execution. So it's up to you guys to decide, I wash my hands of the matter.

What happened to the power of veto and the ability to make executive decisions?

Snork

 

[Sweetp4u]

Hmmmm

That was not a very nice thing to say at all, lol even I can see that. But you are entitled to your opinion, I just wondered if you read the words or put words between the lines?
Hence the word "VOTE" in there. and "UP TO THE SRP WRITERS"

*shaking head* I thought I spoke plainly, clearly and in english?

 

[Sweetp4u]

There is a sticky at the top of SRP sayss 'The real Poll" or something like that .. my head is pounding but anyways
Go vote, next friday is the dead line. Make your voice heard!
Ty Sweetp

 

[Snork Maiden]

SweetP

It wasn't intended as an insult it was an analogy, when Pilate asked the people to vote on which convict to release when he had the power himself to release Christ as his own choice.

The point I was making was that as moderators and operators of the boards you know the OOC's will attract a smaller percentile vote in favor of keeping them here, you just want to make the decision appear to come from the populus so that you won't get blamed when it happens.

I'm sorry if you felt offended it wasn't intended, but it doesn't need a high IQ to see the machiavellian plan behind the vote idea

Snork

 

[Sweetp4u]

Hmm, well it's still close, 8 votes difference and still it wont be forced down anyone's throats. I do not have the power to make a sub forum, enter pm's, edit profiles, nothing other than edit and move threads only in SRP.
I would never force an issue, that's wrong totally. Laurel wants to hear from me next friday what I think about it and the numbers in the voting poll.
All must vote on it who feel about it! Vote against it if you do not want it. I know you dont know me, but my word is gold. Always has been always will be. by the end of next week it will be discussed, looked over. Those numbers and opinions, and from there it will be decided.

but look at it this way as well for a moment..
If i did not care what people thought, or felt. If I did not give one iota about SRP or LIT or the good people who write here, I could move those clubs to playground and be done with it. No sub forum, no more arguements. Just move them and not care what anyone thought. If I do my job without breaking any rules, it stays that way. Does that tell you anything?? No I am not threatening anyone, I am saying the truth. It shows you just how much I do care about this place and those in it.
So come hell or high water, I will take into consideration everyone's feelings on this and mull it over carefully before I ever pm laurel and tell her my true feelings on the matter and those on SRP. That is fair, far beyond what I am asked to do here as a Moderator. I do it because I want to.

 

[Sweetp4u]

Info

If you go to "personal's" you will find at the very top "The Playground". Real easy to find and click on

Ok now for Pro's and Con's of a new sub forum. (if I miss any do feel free to add to this list)

Cons:
1. seperate forum to navigate to.
2. clubs that are off the wall.

Pros:
1. More room for clubs.
2. Anyone can have a club if they dont fit into those exsisting already.
3. would be linked to srp for srp and easy to find.

 

[SexyChele]

Okay, I’m trying to understand this. From what I’ve read in your posts, Sweetp, when you first arrived here you were put off by the number of OOC Clubs. That’s understandable. For a time, so was I. However, just as with everything else here at Lit, if it ain’t gonna fly, it sinks fast. Also, if I’m reading things correctly, at some point you were criticized for not doing your job. I can’t speak to that, as I’ve never seen anything that wasn’t handled, if needed, so I don’t know where the complaint came from. And I’ve always been of a mind that if it is only one person complaining, while they have the right to express how they feel, they are one lone voice among many.

I did not see in any of your posts where there has been any complaints registered regarding the OOC Clubs. Is that correct? Or have I misread something? From what I can gather, this is an idea of how to “organize” the forum. But, unless there has been a mountain of complaints registered, what’s the fuss? Why worry about it? I can understand if 50 people PM’d you or Laurel and said something against the OOC Clubs, but if that is not the case, then I’m not getting why this has suddenly turned into an issue.

I do find it a little disappointing that not many are deciding to discuss this, yet they choose to vote. Yes, everyone has that right, I know. But, and this must be factored in, the votes registered could be from people who are not active participants on this forum, but rather just breezing in and have nothing at stake here. Yes, they have a right to vote as well, I understand that. But without discussion, I find this to be disappointing, to say the least.

Might I also bring up the idea of judging the OOC Clubs unfairly as well? If one has never, ever been “in” one of the threads, nor have they contributed to it, then how can they say it is “only chatting”? Are there OOC Clubs that are just a series of one liner flirtations? Yes, there are. And, no, I personally don’t care for them, though I understand others like them. However, unless one is willing to post to a thread, read the responses from the folks who are there, and find out what does go on, I think it very unfair to make quick judgements based on personal feelings. That is equivalent to some one saying they do not like a thread because its title infers that it is a rape or incest thread. Sad.

Now, what I’m about to say may come across as harsh, and I do not mean it to be. I will try to choose my words wisely, and hopefully my point will be made. When I logged onto the SRP forum tonight, there were 5 “stickies” at the top. Talk about “clutter”? Now, Hecate’s guide to SRP is priceless – and should be required reading by all here. It certainly pertains to SRP, and should stay right where it is.

Two others have to do with this OOC Club business, and hopefully will disappear within a week.

One has to do with questions. Now, when I had originally saw this thread, I had assumed it was in regards to questions involving SRP. I didn’t have any questions about SRP, so I didn’t go there. I did tonight because of this discussion. And I was somewhat shocked. In the interest of being “organized” and making certain that “things are where they need to be”, questions about how to set up an avator, putting pictures in one’s sig line, and other various questions truly belong on the “How To…” forum. Sweetp, I would assume you would have known this. If I have a question that is generic to Lit, I go to the “How To” forum. There is a far larger body of members there to answer my questions. And those folks do not come to the SRP at all. People who have valid questions are cheating themselves by not fully utilizing all of of Lit’s resources. As well, if the OOC Clubs must be moved because they do not “belong” in the SRP, then this “sticky” must be removed as well, no? I mean, fair is only fair, and if it is the mod’s job to insure that things are in their proper place, then this sticky properly belongs on the “How To” forum.

The other “sticky” is something to do with comings, goings, and whatnot. I don’t understand this thread – if some one is leaving for a time, all they need do is inform those they post with via PM. Simple. I know that once I had to post a message to the board when I was called out of town unexpectedly, but other than that, I contact individuals privately. Does anyone truly use this “sticky”? I don’t know, maybe they do. Seems like it is more along the lines of those “chatty, flirtatious” kind of things that are attempting to be moved from here. (I mean, what does “I’m horny” and comments about masturbation have to do with leavings, comings, vacations, etc???? And yes, you can tell I’m not the “chatty, flirtatious” type.) But, again in the interest of fairness, this “sticky” would need to be removed to wherever the OOC Clubs go, as it is not a role-playing, story-telling thread. Am I correct in this?

Now, Sweetp, I know you created these last two threads, and did so with the best of intentions. And if they were to stay here at the SRP (even though I personally believe they “clutter” up the forum more than the OOC Clubs do), it would not be a bother to me. Hey, if they are helping people, so be it. But, if you are picking out the OOC Clubs for removal, then I would think that entails a full “house cleaning”, and anything that is not strictly involved with role-playing, story telling needs to be removed. You can’t state that OOC Clubs have no business on the SRP because they are not “role play”, when you have a thread that you started that rightfully belongs on the “How To” forum, now, could you?

I know that whatever happens will happen. Life rolls on. People come and go, and this whole business of OOC Clubs won’t matter or be remembered 2 years from now, if that long. I would only caution that if the OOC Clubs are taken off of the SRP forum that the same rules apply to all threads currently on this forum.


Edited to add: Just curious, but since this only pertains to the SRP - being that it is only posted to the SRP, and that Sweetp only moderates the SRP - why is this question being put to ORP writers? What stake do they have? And if some one were to write to both the ORP and SRP, wouldn't they be "covered" as an SRP writer? The way the title is worded on this sticky, it would seem to invite ORP writers who have no vested interest in this forum, to vote on an issue that is probably of relatively little importance to them. But, which they might also vote on, being that they are asked to do so. If this same question were posed on the ORP, I would not feel the "right" to vote, as I have never written there, nor do I have a desire to.

The wording is very confusing to me, and I'm not understanding why it was put that way.

 

[Snork Maiden]

Chele raised several very interesting points in her last post.

The first one is why has the change in forum suddenly become an issue and what is the mountain of evidence that supports such a change?

The second pertains back to what I was hinting at in my previous post. People with no interest in OOC are naturally going to be steered towards the removal of them from the main SRP forum and the only people that will vote to keep them are the people that use them. From the outset it is clear what the intention is.

At a rough estimate I would say OOC's are out numbered by at least 5 - 1 in numbers of people not using them to using them.

If only 1/4 of the people who don't use them vote for the removal and ALL the OOC participant vot to keep them the OOC's will still lose the vote.

What hasn't been mentioned is the benefits of the OOC's, few people have definitely come forward and said if it wasn't for the OOC I wouldn 't have.

All OOC's are different, they attract different people with different ideals and ways of life, there is no exclusivity, like any club all are open to visitor, if people like what they find they stay if they don't they move on.

In some cases there is flirting in other cases there isn't. What is important is that it lets people get to know others a little bit better, and that makes collaborative writing much easier than just writing with a stranger. They build confidence.

Personally I never find it easy to flirt not even now, in an OOC and I am sure I am not the only one, some people natural flirts.

These OOC's help build confidence especially for new comers and they put a 'face' on the people that they are writing with.

Chele mentioned Stickies, though I don't let these things bother me I see the need for them. Similarly can't you see the need for the OOC's. Is there any distinction between an OOC and a Casting Call Thread, or a thread OOC which too have their relevence but are not stories and outnumber the social OOC's. IMHO they are more clutter.

The vbBulletin allows users to list the threads, by date, posts, authors, title I bet not many bother to use that feature. It also has search facilities that let them find threads. There are plenty of mechanisms available to order and find threads at each individuals finger tips and ofcourse there is the User CP.

I think the argument behind the removal of OOC threads is very weak but the desire to do so strong for what ever reason, I am afraid I am as clued up to the reasons as Chele I don't see it either.

I feel that you personally, SweetP have been put in the unsavory position of being the barer of bad tidings and that isn't fair. You shouldn't have to. So perhaps we can hear the reasons for this debate and why it is now such an important issue in the 'cleaning up process' from the horse's mouth.

Snork

 

[chanaud]

An issue with annonymous polls -

I have three handles. Chanaud is my main handle. I created a handle awhile back - Bull Steele. Only because Ariosto and I wanted to post in a gender bender thread. Then I have Heidi Moist. I created that handle for one particular thread.

Guess what? I was able to vote 3 times.

I know for a fact a certain SRP poster has at least 10 handles. He was caught red handed in the General Board.

I understand you are trying your best, SweetP. But, I think Chele brought up a good point. Is it fair for posters with multiple handles to vote especially if they don't pertain to the SRP Board?

I think your original poll was a good idea. Vote out in the open. We're adults. No one will be persecuted by stating his/her personal feelings. They do't have to list the reason why. Just a "Yeah" or "Nay". Also, a good debate is healthy in improving this forum which we consider home.

<waves hello to Snork>

 

[mya]

Ohhhh puleaseeeeeeeeeeee! Are we back to this BS again?

Leave the OOCs where they are.

They're all clearly marked as OOC...and the first post gives any newbie the gist of what the club is. If they don't want to visit, they never have to open them again.

If they do wish to post and perhaps get to know a few folks to SRP or ORP with, what's the harm in that?

If you're going to move them because they are not stricktly RP, then are you going to remove and move every other message that gets posted here that's not RP? Because that's what you'll have to do. How many posters don't just post a thread that says, "To Those I Post With" and then proceed to tell everyone they'll be away for a week. Isn't that what PMs are for? But if you move the OOCs, I for one will be bugging the moderators to remove EVERYTHING that isn't RP!

Sorry, but this subject angers me greatly! Lit is dedicated to Free Speech, yet it wants to control such a stupid little incidental thing as to WHERE OOC's are posted? Now after how many years? Give me a break!

If you move the OOC's, count me out of ever using them again. Damn but this makes me mad!

EDIT...good point Chanaud. I'm going to go and create a 100 ID's cause I only got one at the moment...but at least I can stuff the ballot box and I don't even live in FL! I'm sure this will be popular with the site and the moderators !

 

[mya]

Sweetp...I just took a quick peek at SRP Announcements

And I can see how well that worked out (definitely said tongue in cheek)...NOT!

If the OOCs get moved so must the SRP Announcement Board. Cause you know what...for the most part it's a chat room! And you've used it quite a bit as such Sweetp. It's rarely been used as an announcement board!

Sweetp...who wants the OOC's removed from RP? Are you sure there isn't some other motivation at work here? Like the fact that the moderators have to go and scroll through the threads and remove the copyrighted pics? I bet that really annoys you when you have to go through the OOCs doesn't it? I use this example only because I believe the removal of the OOC's from the RP boards is being motivated by something else entirely.

 

[mya]

Questions and Answers...another chat room!

While I'm at it...I dropped in on your "Questions and Answers" Sweetp.

Guess what...another chat room in MHO.

I figure if I take the "Questions and Answers" and "SRP Announcements", you know what? I got a watered down and weaker version of "Rick's Rooftop".

 

[ariosto]

I too would question the validity of any poll at Lit, precisely because of the point that Chanaud made. It is more than easy to stuff a ballot box around here.

Whats the chance of a public voting on this issue SweetP.
It would ensure honesty and only those with enough interest to bother to post a point of view would be considered.

 

[SexyChele]

An issue with annonymous polls -

I have three handles. Chanaud is my main handle. I created a handle awhile back - Bull Steele. Only because Ariosto and I wanted to post in a gender bender thread. Then I have Heidi Moist. I created that handle for one particular thread.

Guess what? I was able to vote 3 times.

I know for a fact a certain SRP poster has at least 10 handles. He was caught red handed in the General Board.

I understand you are trying your best, SweetP. But, I think Chele brought up a good point. Is it fair for posters with multiple handles to vote especially if they don't pertain to the SRP Board?

I think your original poll was a good idea. Vote out in the open. We're adults. No one will be persecuted by stating his/her personal feelings. They do't have to list the reason why. Just a "Yeah" or "Nay". Also, a good debate is healthy in improving this forum which we consider home.

<waves hello to Snork>

Thank you, Chanaud, for bringing this up. This had been something that was on my mind last night. (this morning??) I do know of one individual who is on this forum who has admitted to me that they have 17 different Lit personas. Heaven only knows how many more this person has created since that conversation. Now, for those who state that, even with multiple IDs, a person's vote is only determined by their ISP number, this particular person has a server setup in their home. That means, they have numerous ISP numbers at their disposal. This person could vote at least 17 different times. That is the problem with the "anonymous" voting.

Now, I don't know if the person in question has indeed voted or not. Hell, I don't know if this person even cares one way or the other. But it is something to be considered when keeping an eye on the voting, IMO.

<And I give a wave to Snork, Chanaud, and Mya>

 

[mya]

To throw out another question related to ISP addresses...

My service provide uses roaming ISPs or something like that. In other words, I don't think I always have the same ISP. Though I could be wrong on this because the technology end of a computer is certainly not my strong suit. But that could be an additional factor even in using ISPs. Public voting is the way to go.

Better yet, let the issue die and leave it well enough alone! Leave it as it's been for a long, long time!

(*wave back at Chele* Good to see you...and glad you can keep calm enough to state things so clearly. I'm afraid I'm not there. And to chanaud...thank you too for helping voice such a clear opinion. I do miss you.)