Queer identities, some insights and questions

[nice90sguy]

The general irritation I have with people "identifying" all over the place is not about WHAT they identify as, but the fact that they assume it matters. I'm part of a million overlapping "in-groups" and so is everyone.

 

[Purechicanery]

The general irritation I have with people "identifying" all over the place is not about WHAT they identify as, but the fact that they assume it matters. I'm part of a million overlapping "in-groups" and so is everyone.

I have seen this sentiment expressed before, but I'm not sure I completely believe it. It's been my experience that most people will offer a gentle correction to anyone who gets their gender wrong, not just non binary people.

 

[ColtonWrites]

Honestly, using the term lgbtqia+, is conflating sexual preference with gender identity.

Lgb is not the same as tqia+

There may be some who identify as a blend, but it's not just the straight or binary world that is conflating sexuality and gender.

We're doing it too.

I think the transgender community actually has more in common with the disabled/chronically ill community than the gay community.

We have a lot of *overlap* with various gay identities but its not the same thing.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I think the transgender community actually has more in common with the disabled/chronically ill community than the gay community.

We have a lot of *overlap* with various gay identities but its not the same thing.

I kind of think from a sociopolitical point of view, we're just where the gay community was fifty years ago, discounted,outright denied, misunderstood and vilified. They still face a lot of negative crap today, but are much more widely understood and accepted. I pray and hope we get there faster than they did, but I believe it will happen.

 

[stickygirl]

I kind of think from a sociopolitical point of view, we're just where the gay community was fifty years ago, discounted,outright denied, misunderstood and vilified. They still face a lot of negative crap today, but are much more widely understood and accepted. I pray and hope we get there faster than they did, but I believe it will happen.

It was a trans woman who threw the first rock in the Stonewall riots but it took a while for the LG&B to adopt us, because they express a sexual orientation where T expresses gender identity. Different, but the same assholes are coming for us with the same BS 'stealing their children, raping women, making radioactive dirty bombs from garbage

On another thread today a man was angrily dismissive of G.I. but wanted to fuck a "he/she" .... iggy

Most of the transphobic crap today is political smokescreen. Media companies want to shout "FIRE" through people's letterboxes to make them read their garbage and their political puppies do the same to avoid more important topics like job security, taxing the rich, ensuring an independent judiciary. Instead the greedy puppies stuff bribes into the bulging wallets, accept a peerage and take to giving lecture tours.. Our ex cunt in-chief Boris earns 200k for a lecture.

 

[PennyThompson]

I think the transgender community actually has more in common with the disabled/chronically ill community than the gay community.

I don't want to get too far out over my skis because I don't really identify as trans, I'm open to correction But it seems to me that older generations of trans folks are more likely to medicalize transness than younger generations?

I have a couple of close trans friends who have told me they never really experienced strong medicalized dysphoria, they just knew what they were inside, transitioned socially when they were young (blessed with supportive parents) and started HRT as soon as they were able to.

 

[stickygirl]

I don't want to get too far out over my skis because I don't really identify as trans, I'm open to correction But it seems to me that older generations of trans folks are more likely to medicalize transness than younger generations?

I have a couple of close trans friends who have told me they never really experienced strong medicalized dysphoria, they just knew what they were inside, transitioned socially when they were young (blessed with supportive parents) and started HRT as soon as they were able to.

Can you clarify what you mean by 'medicalized dysphoria'? As we've seen in this thread, as many others, language and meaning is important and easily missassumed ( I just made that word )

 

[PennyThompson]

Can you clarify what you mean by 'medicalized dysphoria'? As we've seen in this thread, as many others, language and meaning is important and easily missassumed ( I just made that word )

Oh, I just meant the idea that feeling dysphoria is an integral experience of being trans? I have the (maybe wrong) impression that some trans folks have argued that unless you've been diagnosed with or experienced gender dysphoria, you aren't really trans. So, Colton's comment about trans identity having more in common with disabled identities.

But I think a lot of younger trans people, if they grew up in supportive environments, never really had that experience?

I'm just curious about opinions, I don't want to speak for others or assume too much

 

[ColtonWrites]

I don't want to get too far out over my skis because I don't really identify as trans, I'm open to correction But it seems to me that older generations of trans folks are more likely to medicalize transness than younger generations?

I have a couple of close trans friends who have told me they never really experienced strong medicalized dysphoria, they just knew what they were inside, transitioned socially when they were young (blessed with supportive parents) and started HRT as soon as they were able to.

I'm only sort of talking about dysphoria although thats part of it.
But things like - the physical symptoms won't ever go away. I will always need medication if I want to maintain "male normal" hormone levels. I either have to have surgery or live with the organs that dont match my identity. No matter what I do, a doctor will always be able to tell I've made changes to my body based on scars. I have to discuss it with every new doctor I have.

The kids who transitioned young still needed puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery. It will always be part of their medical history, whether or not it affects them psychologically. It requires specialized doctors, expensive medical care, and often travel or relocation to places where such care is available. Everyone has opinions on the best care for these kids, regardless of whether they know anything at all about the medical impacts.

All of this is closer "chronic illness sufferer", than "alternative sexuality".

 

[stickygirl]

I think two changes have happened in tandem because doctors used to assume that to transition MtF would ultimately mean hormones and surgery. But these days...
1. Doctors are now realising that to provide those medical options might get them into trouble
2. Younger trans folk seem satisfied to only take hormones ( though I know there are still quite a number opting for surgery ).

Does that mean their dysphoria is less? No.
Does it mean younger trans folk view hormones-only as adequate? It appears so, but I haven't checked stats, if indeed there are any, or they've been deleted by authorities.

There is nothing to judge in that shift. So long as there is access to the medical services transitioning people need, then what a trans person may or may not have between their legs ( or arms ) is not our business.

I'm puzzled that younger trans women opt to, not just keep their dicks, but expect them to remain sexually fully functional as if they were male. I don't get that. My experience of estrogen was that my libido shifted sideways and aligned more closely to my sense of gender - and that was a huge relief to me. I was home.

But, the older I get the more I realise how different we all are.
I'm still figuring out the detail to this side of things.
I apologise to CW for not including FtM but I'll leave that to them.

Sorry for edits to remove typos