Reconciliation - Want to see the ultimate in Democrat HYPOCRISY?

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=332904&highlight=Nuclear+Option


Way back when, even Throb's link:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200502180004

Implied that the Republicans had never used the Filibuster to block a Judicial nominee.

But all the quotes are the Democrats bemoaning the loss of the Senate if they weren't allowed to Filibuster judges.

I'm with Byrd on this one; they need to be held to their own fucking rules, this is not a BUDGET reconciliation.
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Political Realists see the world as it is: ... a world where "reconciliation" means that when one side gets the power and the other side gets reconciled to it, then we have reconciliation.... In the world as it is, the solution of each problem inevitably creates a new one.
Saul David Alinsky

 

[kbate]

I believe that the Democrats should use Reconciliation on the Health Care Bill, then they should use it on all judicial/cabinet/all appointments, and finally on every single bill which comes to the floor. They should change the rules to put an end to the supermajority requirements - in order to make this a true democracy.

There's no reason NOT to have every single issue decided by simple majority (including DC statehood to ensure a permanent Democratic simple majority).

Let's turn the nation into a one party state right now and get on with nationalisation of health care, energy, transportation, manufacturing, communications and banking. All of these industries are far too important to be left under the control of the Fat Cat Bondholders and greedy bankers.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I believe that the Democrats should use Reconciliation on the Health Care Bill, then they should use it on all judicial/cabinet/all appointments, and finally on every single bill which comes to the floor. They should change the rules to put an end to the supermajority requirements - in order to make this a true democracy.

There's no reason NOT to have every single issue decided by simple majority (including DC statehood to ensure a permanent Democratic simple majority).

Let's turn the nation into a one party state right now and get on with nationalisation of health care, energy, transportation, manufacturing, communications and banking. All of these industries are far too important to be left under the control of the Fat Cat Bondholders and greedy bankers.

I love the smell of cynicism in the morning...

 

[Sean]

I believe that the Democrats should use Reconciliation on the Health Care Bill, then they should use it on all judicial/cabinet/all appointments, and finally on every single bill which comes to the floor. They should change the rules to put an end to the supermajority requirements - in order to make this a true democracy.

There's no reason NOT to have every single issue decided by simple majority (including DC statehood to ensure a permanent Democratic simple majority).

Let's turn the nation into a one party state right now and get on with nationalisation of health care, energy, transportation, manufacturing, communications and banking. All of these industries are far too important to be left under the control of the Fat Cat Bondholders and greedy bankers.

Works for me.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Works for me.

It would...

 

[Powertone]

meantime a new CNN poll reveals that a paltry 25% of Americans want Obama's healthcare jammed up their ass...full speed ahead, Mr President

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Hahahahaha... Rob couldn't find his ass with both hands, two foot arm extensions, a road map, and GPS. On top of all that he has selective political input syndrome.

slob hangs out at schools.

Notice how these two refuse to address my argument.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=332904&highlight=Nuclear+Option


Way back when, even Throb's link:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200502180004

Implied that the Republicans had never used the Filibuster to block a Judicial nominee.

But all the quotes are the Democrats bemoaning the loss of the Senate if they weren't allowed to Filibuster judges.

I'm with Byrd on this one; they need to be held to their own fucking rules, this is not a BUDGET reconciliation.

You're confusing the issue..

During the Clinton years, a single senator from a judicial nominee's home state could prevent a committee vote on a nominee by refusing to return a "blue slip" to the committee. Cowardly Republicans systematically used this tactic to prevent committee votes on 60 Clinton nominees. It's technically not a filibuster, but the result is the same: prevent a vote on a nominee.

When Bush was selected president, of course, the Republicans decided this tactic was unfair and eliminated it.

This left the Democrats no choice but to use the entire Senate to filibuster candidates they felt were unqualified...10 out of 229 (that 4% of Bush's candidates using standard math, or 2% if you use "FairTax math" ).

So your statement was technically true but ultimately irrelevant... Republicans used one set of rules while in power and another when they weren't.

I do agree with you and Byrd on the underlying remedy, though: do away with this "procedural filibuster" garbage and have actual filibuster debates if they feel that strongly about something!

 

[RobDownSouth]

The reconciliation process has never been used to the degree presently being contemplated by the Democrats, your claims notwithstanding.

Did you manage to sit through this?

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dems-...ogant-power-grab-against-the-founders-intent/

You are incorrect.

My link stated quite clearly how major reform legislation was often created via the reconciliation process.

You cannot and do not deny this, so you've put a weasel qualifier ("to the degree presently being contemplated") in an attempt to "move the goalposts".

You have presented NO evidence to refute my position, you simply dismiss any facts I present that are not to your liking.

Here's just one example of major reform legislation enacted via reconciliation that I invite you to investigate: COBRA health insurance. This is the insurance continuation people have the option to pick up when they lose their job. This legislation was crafted as part of the reconciliation process, in fact, the "R" in COBRA actually stands for "reconciliation".

Spin that.

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Hey. All you got to do is play by the rules and not whine when they work against you and what we hear now is a bunch of whining from a DEMOCRAT controlled Congress with a Democrat President who couldn't get 60 votes from their own party at a time they were telling the Republicans...

WE WON! Shut the fuck up. Don't tell us how to use the broom/mop...

Then and now, what the Democrats wanted was a change of Filibuster rules.

Even their SENIOR leader says the rule is there for a reason, as he put it back then, the Senate is the saucer that cools the coffee.

The Senate was designed to cool the temper of the mob, ironically, what it's now being used to temper is not the mob, but the mob's representatives and the President, because the mob is currently supporting neither in their plans.
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[rosco rathbone]

Calm down fellows. There's a still a real chance that the Democrats will fumble on the one yard line.

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The O and the B stand for Omnibus Budget...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Calm down fellows. There's a still a real chance that the Democrats will fumble on the one yard line.

They already fumbled; now they're looking for a booth review...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

What are they reconciling?




The amount of money Obama's budget says is going to be produced by the bill?

 

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[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I'm watching the health care "summit", Nancy is a blithering idiot.

I'm doing some research...


I can't stand dog and pony shows.

 

[Wrong Element]

You're confusing the issue..

During the Clinton years, a single senator from a judicial nominee's home state could prevent a committee vote on a nominee by refusing to return a "blue slip" to the committee. Cowardly Republicans systematically used this tactic to prevent committee votes on 60 Clinton nominees. It's technically not a filibuster, but the result is the same: prevent a vote on a nominee.

When Bush was selected president, of course, the Republicans decided this tactic was unfair and eliminated it.

This left the Democrats no choice but to use the entire Senate to filibuster candidates they felt were unqualified...10 out of 229 (that 4% of Bush's candidates using standard math, or 2% if you use "FairTax math" ).

So your statement was technically true but ultimately irrelevant... Republicans used one set of rules while in power and another when they weren't.

I do agree with you and Byrd on the underlying remedy, though: do away with this "procedural filibuster" garbage and have actual filibuster debates if they feel that strongly about something!

I had forgotten all about that. Thanks for the reminder.

I'm watching the health care "summit", Nancy is a blithering idiot.

Hey, can someone point out to me where Obama's teleprompter is? I know there has to be one, since I've been told he can't speak without looking at one. But it's really well hidden this time!

 

[busybody..]

if you TERRORISTS really care

to see how WRONG you are

here is teh HISTORY of it

from A to Z

http://budget.house.gov/crs-reports/RL30862.pdf

you wont read it, cause you'd rather scream BS!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Technically minute to what is being contemplated now. Try again.

Movin' the goalposts yet again?

Okay, I'll play. Since you admit SOME health care reform is okay to fall under reconciliation but not ALL, where should we draw the line? Hmmm?

Ezra Klein had an interesting commentary about your conjecture:

Facts and figures

This morning, Lamar Alexander said that reconciliation has never been used for anything as big as health-care reform. Health-care reform has a 10-year cost of about $950 billion. The Bush tax cuts, which passed through reconciliation, had a 10-year cost of about $1.8 trillion. Lamar Alexander voted for them.

Situational outrage: it's whats for breakfast!

 

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