Republican women, remember, you asked for it!

[Le Jacquelope]

Tsk tsk, LT. You know us backwoods ignorant southerners all own guns.

Speaking of the South, don't discount the pull of remaining near family and familiar places. We're a mobile society but I would imagine most Americans still live within a hundred miles of their birthplace.

Ok you got me on that one.

 

[Raidho]

I loathe the idea of a partial birth abortion. I loathe the idea of abortion in general, to be honest.

But I can't believe that more women aren't pissed off about this.

Said Eve Gartner of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America: "This ruling flies in the face of 30 years of Supreme Court precedent and the best interest of women's health and safety. ... This ruling tells women that politicians, not doctors, will make their health care decisions for them."

And yes, there is a caveat for those few women who might find it medically necessary to save their lives. But they'll have to plead their cases while they die waiting for a decision.

Good God people, wake up.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I loathe the idea of a partial birth abortion. I loathe the idea of abortion in general, to be honest.

But I can't believe that more women aren't pissed off about this.



And yes, there is a caveat for those few women who might find it medically necessary to save their lives. But they'll have to plead their cases while they die waiting for a decision.

Good God people, wake up.

Even the Alan Guttmacher Institute itself says rape, incest and the life of the mother exceptions make up <10% of all abortions. Even so, I don't know anyone personally who would want it so women have to plead their case and die waiting for a decision. The baby often dies if the mother dies.

 

[Raidho]

Even the Alan Guttmacher Institute itself says rape, incest and the life of the mother exceptions make up <10% of all abortions. Even so, I don't know anyone personally who would want it so women have to plead their case and die waiting for a decision. The baby often dies if the mother dies.

I hold life sacred, and a lot of people find that amusing at best and hypocritical at worst, considering I fully support the rights to abortion.

As I said, I loathe it, I really do. And I do believe that the vast majority of abortions are for what I'd consider bullshit reasons: i.e., I forgot to take the pill, or it's better without a rubber. I don't agree with it being used as a form of birth control AT ALL.

However, with that being said, there are times when one has to choose a life: the mother or the child. It's not pretty; it's not fair. Not by a long shot. But it is real.

And I don't like giving the government more power than my doctor in making decisions that may one day impact my health.

I find all politicians grossly underqualified.

And, God willing, I will never find myself in the position to make such a heartbreaking choice. But I lack the inflated ego to presume I have the right to take that possibility away from someone else who may.

 

[LadyofMagic]

I loathe the idea of a partial birth abortion. I loathe the idea of abortion in general, to be honest.

But I can't believe that more women aren't pissed off about this.



And yes, there is a caveat for those few women who might find it medically necessary to save their lives. But they'll have to plead their cases while they die waiting for a decision.

Good God people, wake up.

AMEN!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I hold life sacred, and a lot of people find that amusing at best and hypocritical at worst, considering I fully support the rights to abortion.

As I said, I loathe it, I really do. And I do believe that the vast majority of abortions are for what I'd consider bullshit reasons: i.e., I forgot to take the pill, or it's better without a rubber. I don't agree with it being used as a form of birth control AT ALL.

However, with that being said, there are times when one has to choose a life: the mother or the child. It's not pretty; it's not fair. Not by a long shot. But it is real.

And I don't like giving the government more power than my doctor in making decisions that may one day impact my health.

I find all politicians grossly underqualified.

And, God willing, I will never find myself in the position to make such a heartbreaking choice. But I lack the inflated ego to presume I have the right to take that possibility away from someone else who may.

There has to be a balance of power - not even doctors can just do what they want.

 

[yevkassem72]

There has to be a balance of power - not even doctors can just do what they want.

Don't tell them that. They think that they are God. I admire them so much that I tend to agree....when they are doing a good job. But when they don't...that's what malpractice law is for....

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Don't tell them that. They think that they are God. I admire them so much that I tend to agree....when they are doing a good job. But when they don't...that's what malpractice law is for....

The doctors also changed the Hippocratic Oath to suit their new sense of morality.

Don't forget that this same crowd also stands for experimenting on fetuses. Bodily autonomy my ass.

 

[ChristopherMaxwell]

The doctors also changed the Hippocratic Oath to suit their new sense of morality.

Don't forget that this same crowd also stands for experimenting on fetuses. Bodily autonomy my ass.

And don't forget Dr. Bernard Nathanson, of Silent Scream notoriety. So anti-abortion that he participates in one for the purpose of denouncing. Talk about the ends justifying the bloody means!

Personally, I don't like abortion, but who does? I just don't like forcing rape victims to carry their issue to term.

 

[Lavared]

And yes, there is a caveat for those few women who might find it medically necessary to save their lives. But they'll have to plead their cases while they die waiting for a decision.

Given that partial birth abortions are performed in the last trimester, if the mother's life is endangered then the appropriate action would be a c-section or induced labor and the child would probably live. They may have life-long health problems if delivered too early, though.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

And don't forget Dr. Bernard Nathanson, of Silent Scream notoriety. So anti-abortion that he participates in one for the purpose of denouncing. Talk about the ends justifying the bloody means!

Personally, I don't like abortion, but who does? I just don't like forcing rape victims to carry their issue to term.

There's something creepy about him. Besides that.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Given that partial birth abortions are performed in the last trimester, if the mother's life is endangered then the appropriate action would be a c-section or induced labor and the child would probably live. They may have life-long health problems if delivered too early, though.

You know, if pro-life were more about saving lives than just putting down women, I might actually want to listen to their cause for more than 10 seconds.

 

[Lavared]

You know, if pro-life were more about saving lives than just putting down women, I might actually want to listen to their cause for more than 10 seconds.

Based on what I've seen you post I believe you are pretty much a pro-lifer yourself, LT.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Based on what I've seen you post I believe you are pretty much a pro-lifer yourself, LT.

Hold up. I'm no fan of either side. I don't agree that fetuses are non persons and subject to experimentation or disposal. But I also don't want women going back to back alley abortions, and that's exactly what'll happen if abortion is outlawed.

What would you sacrifice to keep that from happening? Higher taxes to support poor babies? Hardly.

Really, please, tell me what separates you from the "now you're born, tough shit for you and your mom from now on" mindset.

 

[Lavared]

Really, please, tell me what separates you from the "now you're born, tough shit for you and your mom from now on" mindset.

One of the joys of being admittedly self-centered is the ability to say, "Let other people work out their own problems" and feel no qualms about it.

Seriously, abortion is not an easy issue precisely because of the possible poor state of the unwanted (at least for that moment) child's potential life. I don't want women performing self-abortions with coat hangers either.

In an ideal world, there would be neither aborted nor unwanted, uncared-for children. Let me gather up some of my magic dust and shake it on you. *poof* You're King of the World, LT, and your word rules us all. What are you going to do when poverty, chemical dependence and being a teenager pair up with a pregnancy? How are you going to handle those men and women who can well afford a child but would have their life plans upset by one and so decide to berid themselves of it? Will you rule for or against fathers having a say in their unborn offspring?

I know that I don't have all the answers on this issue, just a deep-rooted feeling that killing an unborn human being is wrong and I couldn't do it.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

One of the joys of being admittedly self-centered is the ability to say, "Let other people work out their own problems" and feel no qualms about it.

Aside from the fact that no real society works like that, it's also a viewpoint that drains the very credibility from the pro-life line of thought.

Seriously, abortion is not an easy issue precisely because of the possible poor state of the unwanted (at least for that moment) child's potential life. I don't want women performing self-abortions with coat hangers either.

In an ideal world, there would be neither aborted nor unwanted, uncared-for children. Let me gather up some of my magic dust and shake it on you. *poof* You're King of the World, LT, and your word rules us all. What are you going to do when poverty, chemical dependence and being a teenager pair up with a pregnancy? How are you going to handle those men and women who can well afford a child but would have their life plans upset by one and so decide to berid themselves of it? Will you rule for or against fathers having a say in their unborn offspring?

I know that I don't have all the answers on this issue, just a deep-rooted feeling that killing an unborn human being is wrong and I couldn't do it.

Ehm, the magic dust doesn't work. We're still in reality. Sorry.

When poverty, chemical dependency pair up with a teenaged pregnancy, that's when the pro-life argument is really hard to justify. The other scenario is just plain stupid and murderously selfish. If the father wants a say then he'd better support his child in all appropriate ways, otherwise he needs to STFU.

I share your deep rooted feeling that killing an unborn human being is a human rights transgression. But leaving women to back alley abortions is, too. I'm not taking sides until I see a way that this can be resolved.