Republicans Want New Congressional leadership


And here's how he did it.

Wednesday, Jan 7, 2015 07:00 AM EST

How Boehner beat the wingnuts: Speaker squashed rebellion — and rebels squashed themselves

Dozens of conservatives defected, but it wasn't enough to topple Boehner. Here's how he pulled it off

Jim Newell


The final count was 25. That was the number of House Republicans who, for typically hazy reasons related to “protecting the Constitution from RINOs! and with a typical lack of organization, either voted against Boehner for speaker (24) or voted present (1). The Orange One will serve a third term as speaker, without having to endure the embarrassment of a gauche second ballot process.

Twenty-five votes, cast one-by-one aloud to the clerk in the traditional, glacial style, wasn’t enough to deny Boehner a majority. But 25 isn’t nothing, either. It’s the most defections that an incumbent speaker has suffered in 92 years. Boehner was fortunate, too, that not all 434 (following Michael Grimm’s resignation, inserted into the record yesterday) showed up for the first day of work; about a dozen House Democrats were at the New York funeral of former Gov. Mario Cuomo while others were either stuck in weather or simply had better things to do. Only 408 members were present. That meant Boehner could afford around 40 defections from his party instead of 28. (This was probably fine with House Democrats. Much as they enjoy tweaking Boehner — who doesn’t? — they’d rather have a vaguely sentient human being in the chair than a fire-bellied “Constitutional Conservative” who doesn’t understand what the debt ceiling is.)

Had there been a full session, though, Boehner would have only managed to win a majority by a few votes. Or at least that’s the more static theory. The other is that Boehner was never really in trouble. If he could have only afforded 28 defections — had a smaller “cushion” — perhaps a few who ended up voting against him when 40 were allowed would have voted for him. As in, this was all theatrics, Boehner was always fine, and the most conservative members who voted against him saw room for a “free” protest vote that wouldn’t affect the outcome.

Whenever the most public figures leading a “revolt” are clownheads like Reps. Louie Gohmert and Ted Yoho, some significant element of theater is at play. It’s more attention for Gohmert and Yoho from Real Conservatives, it provides far-right outlets like Breitbart News a fun if fantastical angle to work with, and “conservative outside groups” (various rackets and pyramid schemes) have opportunities anew to collect funds from gullible morons.

But the idea that John Boehner never had to worry, and that the number of protest votes would fluctuate depending on the threshold needed for a majority, would probably come as a mild surprise to John Boehner. Any rumor that there were “free” protest votes out there for the conservatives’ taking would not have started from him. The Speaker’s election isn’t a vote on, say, funding NPR, where Boehner doesn’t actually care. This about preserving his power and doing so in as unified a manner as possible. He and his leadership team were making serious “business calls” to members right up until the vote to ensure that they had the numbers.

The shoring up of support goes a lot further back than that, too. As Politico the day after the election, Boehner was “moving behind the scenes to solidify support for his reelection as speaker of the House.” His allies had “vowed to take this election more seriously” after Boehner suffered 12 defections in 2013 — when the House Republican majority was much smaller, and he only barely kept his gavel on the first ballot.

Nope, Boehner took this quite seriously. And the good news for him is that the naysayers were by and large veterans of the “trouble caucus,” like Reps. Steve King, Ted Yoho, Louie Gohmert, Marlin Stutzman, Tim Huelskamp, etc. — people who’ve been on Boehner’s shit list so long that maintaining that treasured “outsider” cred, instead of being an useful legislator, is their guiding purpose. Few freshmen joined their ranks. A number of them who’d campaigned as conservative favorites, and either suggested or outright promised on the campaign trail that they wouldn’t support Boehner, ended up voting for him after all. New Reps. Glenn Grothman, Mia Love, and Jody Hice were already being trashed as RINO sellouts in certain corners of conservative Twitter only a few minutes into their first terms. One of the more amusing media spectacles during the Speaker vote was following the feed of Breitbart News reporter Matt Boyle as he suffered through a meltdown, spitting fury at the freshmen RINO traitors, summed up with this tweet:

Matthew Boyle @mboyle1
Follow
This thing could totally have succeeded if Republicans in Congress had any backbone.

1:33 PM - 6 Jan 2015

62 Retweets 37 favorites

Ahh, more “backbone,” that old chestnut. It’s always either more backbone, spine, testicles, or balls that’s needed, according to certain minds. That’s their story looking back, and that will be their story going forward. But as usual, there’s a math issue here. Even if he hadn’t won on the first ballot, Boehner would still have had enough votes locked up to prevent any other candidate from winning a majority, and they would have taken the process as far as it needed to go. If you’re a freshman looking at this, and you know that Boehner’s going to be your Speaker in the end, why start your congressional career by spiting him? The guy controls committee assignments and floor votes and raises hundreds of millions for candidates. Sure, he’s been famously — frustratingly — hesitant to use the disciplinary tools at his disposal on insubordinate members in the past, but he finally may have come around to the view that playtime’s over.

Freshmen House Republicans had a choice going into today: marginalize yourself as a legislator from the beginning, or don’t. Being a marginalized ultra-conservative legislator isn’t the end of the world. Conservative media will love you, you’ll be a featured speaker at conservative rallies, you’ll get invites to all the kewl parties at CPAC. You won’t have to worry about a primary challenge from the right.

The trade-off is that you’ll be a useless joke who serves in Congress for no apparent productive reason.

Louie Gohmert is a useless joke who serves in Congress for no apparent productive reason. He’s worked hard over the years to cultivate this reputation. How’s that working for him? To the point where, at the start of the new Congress, before all his peers in the House, it was his turn to vote for Speaker, and he said, “Louie Gohmert.” Everyone laughed at him. They laughed at him. Here he was, for all to see, offering the punchline that is his name to the joke that is himself. Perhaps Mia Love or Glenn Grothman or Jody Hice or whoever was watching this and thinking, is this the path I want to go down on the first day of my congressional career?
 
And --- ooh! It gets even better! :D

Wednesday, Jan 7, 2015 01:58 PM EST

Boehner punishes the Tea Party: Why the Speaker is finally seeking revenge

The Speaker is removing rebellious House conservatives from plum committee assignments -- at long last

Jim Newell


Rep. John Boehner won his third term as House Speaker yesterday, but still suffered the most defections from his own party (25) for an incumbent Speaker in about 100 years. There is a reason that most incumbent Speakers don’t face revolts on inauguration day: because they are the incumbent Speakers and they control everything! Committee assignments and money and everything else.

John Boehner has not been a typical Speaker. He has offered unruly GOP members unusual latitude to ruin everything he’s tried to do over the last four years. His problems are largely of his own making, a direct result of what Politico labels his “Montessori school managerial style” in the 112th and 113th Congresses.

Let’s consider Florida Rep. Daniel Webster, a member of the 2010 “Tea Party Wave” class. Webster decided a few days ago Ha, I should run against Boehner for Speaker and work behind his back to get votes and not even give him a heads up, just for fun. What’s the worst that could happen? Here’s some third-termer whom Boehner had given campaign funds from his leadership PAC and awarded a prized spot on the House Rules Committee. And yet he still felt that going against Boehner, for the one thing that Boehner genuinely cares about — his own personal power — would be fine with the boss, because he lets the children do whatever they want and then gives them a friendly pat on the head.

This turns out to have been a colossal mistake on Daniel Webster’s part! Because John Boehner appears to have decided to become a normal Speaker instead of a human hacky sack.

After he secured his third term as speaker Tuesday afternoon, losing 25 votes on the House floor to some relatively unknown members of the Republican Conference, Boehner moved swiftly to boot two of the insurgents from the influential Rules Committee. That could be just the start of payback for the speaker’s betrayers, who might see subcommittee chairmanships and other perks fall away in the coming months.

Boehner’s allies have thirsted for this kind of action from the speaker, saying he’s let people walk all over him for too long and is too nice to people who are eager to stab him in the back. The removal of Florida Reps. Daniel Webster and Richard Nugent from Rules was meant as a clear demonstration that what Boehner and other party leaders accepted during the previous Congress is no longer acceptable, not with the House’s biggest GOP majority in decades.

And just like that, after a disorganized, spur-of-the-moment, doomed-to-fail effort to embarrass John Boehner, Congressman Daniel Webster is done. Congressman Richard Nugent is done. Boehner’s “allies warn that further retaliation could be on the way,” Politico writes. “It didn’t take more than a few hours for Webster — a legendary former Florida statehouse speaker and state Senate majority leader — and Nugent to find themselves on the outside of a power structure they were once very much a part of.”

You don’t oust an incumbent Speaker by deciding a few seconds beforehand to try to oust an incumbent Speaker and then wing it with no real plan, as if choosing to play hooky and spend the day at Six Flags. It requires more forethought and legwork. Say what you will about Newt Gingrich, but the guy had a plan. He decided near the beginning of his career that he wanted to wrest control from the complacent Republican leadership of the ’70s and ’80s and win a majority, with himself as Speaker. It took him about a dozen years of careful plotting and alliance-building to make it happen. But he did make it happen. He did not make it happen by calling randos the night before the Speaker’s election and saying , Hey how about me for Speaker wouldn’t that be sick??

South Carolina Rep. Mick Mulvaney put it well yesterday. Mulvaney, like Webster, is a member of the 2010 class and an even more hardcore Tea Partier. He voted against Boehner in the similarly comical “revolt” at the beginning of the 113th Congress, but voted for Boehner yesterday. This led to a flood of angry calls and tweets and so forth about how he was just another establishment RINO sellout fraud, etc., prompting him to release a response statement. It’s a meaty one, and worth a full read, but here’s an excerpt:

Some people tried to argue that voting against Boehner would give conservatives leverage, or somehow force him to lead in a more conservative fashion, even if the coup attempt failed. All I can say to that is that the exact opposite happened two years ago: conservatives were marginalized, and Boehner was even freer to work with moderates and Democrats. My guess is that the exact same thing will happen again now. And I fail to see how that helps anything that conservatives know needs to be done in Washington.

One little quibble: He overestimates the extent to which “conservatives,” meaning the ~20 members who are always giving Boehner trouble, were marginalized following the 2013 “coup attempt.” Boehner’s majority was thin enough in the last Congress that he still needed some of their votes, giving them leverage. But Boehner doesn’t need their votes anymore, doesn’t need to coddle them, and now has a freer hand to pursue good old fashioned retribution. These back-of-the-envelope calculations are ones that Webster, Nugent, and their merry band didn’t do beforehand. Whoops.
 
Those brave enough to stand up and make their opposition known, must be honored for their courage to do so, in the face of the well known consequences for doing so. Of course the sheep on the left would understand a stand on principle, or the courage that drives it.

You made sense right up until the last sentence.
 
Those brave enough to stand up and make their opposition known, must be honored for their courage to do so, in the face of the well known consequences for doing so. Of course the sheep on the left would understand a stand on principle, or the courage that drives it.

It's a darn shame you'll never be that brave. You ran away from your first wife, the Viet Cong, gainful employment and you habitually run away from your own words here on Lit.

You are, in a word, a coward.
 
I stand on principle every day on Lit, despite your rabid attacks on my character, my service, my family, the Marine Corps, and the sacrifice of tens of thousands of better men than you.

I am here every day, to ridicule you and your puddle snapping, slaver slinging, insanity. You've tried your very best to run me off, yet here I am ten years later still pointing out your lack of intellect, character, and integrity; and knowing how many times a day it is soils your skivvies to read my posts, guarantees I'm going to do my very best to be here when you're gone.

You like to talk about courage and the lack of it other people, you do this attempting to shame and discredit. You project this onto others, from what I believe to be a personal understanding of the shame and degradation of real cowardice, a cowardice that comes from a deep internal knowledge that you would never have what it takes to risk life and limb for something greater than yourself, because nothing is greater than yourself. In spite of your size Rob, it's clear you're really a small man.

You are the single most gutless person I know on Lit. That's quite an accomplishment when you consider your peer group of AJ, Ishmael, Amicus and Busybody.

You have no integrity or personal honor.
 
Especially when, "your entire political philosophy is predicated upon the notion" of ever increasing and smothering taxation in the Exaltation of government over its people.

Look at the social democracies. They're not smothered. Things in general go better in social democracies. There's not much there that's not worth copying here.
 
Those brave enough to stand up and make their opposition known, must be honored for their courage to do so, in the face of the well known consequences for doing so. Of course the sheep on the left would not understand a stand on principle, or the courage that drives it.

What well known consequence? I agree that they did the right thing standing up for their beliefs and that the left should learn from it. We should have run roughshod over you for six fucking years but we lacked the courage. You bark, we bow.


Especially when, "your entire political philosophy is predicated upon the notion" of ever increasing and smothering taxation in the Exaltation of government over its people.

PRetty much, but it's more the improvement of the lives of it's people.

Look at the social democracies. They're not smothered. Things in general go better in social democracies. There's not much there that's not worth copying here.

Exactly.
 
Those brave enough to stand up and make their opposition known, must be honored for their courage to do so, in the face of the well known consequences for doing so. Of course the sheep on the left would not understand a stand on principle, or the courage that drives it.

LOL says the guy who avoids owning his own opinions and instead prefers to C&P others so he can backpedal out when it's convenient.

Let's talk about how partial you are to the iggy bunker when asked the tough questions.....LOL

You wouldn't know courage if it bit you in the ass.

Look at the social democracies. They're not smothered. Things in general go better in social democracies. There's not much there that's not worth copying here.

BUT EVIL SOCIALISM!! = We have to re-invent every wheel possible.

LOL Vette even likes paying extra for less....he said Reagan care was the best HC system on the planet and getting him to admit it was socialist HC was like pulling fucking teeth...so much courage and RW responsibility :rolleyes:
 
Americans do not want to emulate the weak "social democracies" of Europe. You should move there. Their vaginal response to reality isn't in our DNA.:rolleyes:

And then he pretends we couldn't learn anything from them....like far better HC and education for less.


Keep digging Cpt.Courgae
 
Americans do not want to emulate the weak "social democracies" of Europe. You should move there. Their vaginal response to reality isn't in our DNA.:rolleyes:

"Vaginal response to reality"? You really are starting to decay mentally.
 
Americans do not want to emulate the weak "social democracies" of Europe. You should move there. Their vaginal response to reality isn't in our DNA.:rolleyes:

A majority of Americans increasingly do seek to emulate and improve upon the European models. They aren't in our DNA? Since when?
 
A majority of Americans increasingly do seek to emulate and improve upon the European models. They aren't in our DNA? Since when?

Lmao our bicameral structure


is based on UK's

Parliament and House of Lords

and House of Commons.


Why continue to pay mind to this senseless, cowardly, quivering, shivering, senile old man behind the curtain, Sean? :kiss:
 
You don't "know" anyone on Lit, fat boy, you fantasize.

My waist line is the same as yours, big boy. 36 inches. Has been for over a year now. Time to update your insults.

You, on the other hand, are still a towering cowering sack of shit.
 
What well known consequences will the 25 who voted against Boehner face?
 
Kicked off of committees that are otherwise the perquisite of tenure.

I guess then we need to set up a chart to see how many of them get punished then no? Even if they do that seems like a fair price to pay for speaking your mind. Maybe if it wasn't today and a Bagel Eating Frenchie hadn't said "Fuck you, I draw what I want." after being firebombed that I'd look upon losing tenure for voting your heart as some act of bravery and heroism but. . .c'mon. This was symbolic and I think we all know they had done the math would have voted differently had it actually put Boehner at any risk.
 
RobDownSouth;64056675 Time to update your insults. [/QUOTE said:
Gotta admit it Rob, coming from you that was funny. You have been on the 2 Navy Crosses BS for what 6 years now.
 
I guess then we need to set up a chart to see how many of them get punished then no? Even if they do that seems like a fair price to pay for speaking your mind. Maybe if it wasn't today and a Bagel Eating Frenchie hadn't said "Fuck you, I draw what I want." after being firebombed that I'd look upon losing tenure for voting your heart as some act of bravery and heroism but. . .c'mon. This was symbolic and I think we all know they had done the math would have voted differently had it actually put Boehner at any risk.

No it was a serious coup. The got within 3 votes of pulling it off. They needed 28, got 25.

Something happened that I don't understand yet that had to do with Democrat no-shows that made that math different, so only 25 went along because they needed 40? I dunno, I'm not sure how that works.

I havent confirmed but it looks like my former neighbor voted for boehner which makes no sense to me, other than him knowing it wasn't going to fly. I would have still like to see him as one of the 25. I think he was not. He was one of the "cooler heads prevailed' allegedly group. Boehner needs to go. Maybe he'll get primaried 2016.
 
Back
Top