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That last paragraph to you doesn't scream they literally did the math on what they could afford to do making a statement but without fucking things up?
That last paragraph to you doesn't scream they literally did the math on what they could afford to do making a statement but without fucking things up?
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I think you are right, but that was the fall back position. If they could force him out they would have.
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I'm unsure what the process actually is but I'm all but certain it wouldn't have forced him out. What kind of sense would that make?
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If enough Republicans would have voted against Boehner, it would have given San Fran Nan a plurality of the votes.
They certainly didn't want that. From their of view, anything would have been better than electing her.
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If enough Republicans would have voted against Boehner, it would have given San Fran Nan a plurality of the votes.
Except you need a majority of the voting members. A plurality would do nothing. At least according to Wiki.
Supported by RedState.
I apologize for being unable to find the specific rule written but as I understand it and two sources support the Republicans could split 50/50 and it wouldn't do Nancy a bit of good other than being able to point at how divided the party was.
So again 25 votes was done specifically so they could say "See, we have an alternative. . .but we'd really rather not waste the time voting again."
Basically what I already said, it's math.
And apparently there isn't actually a rule that the Speaker has to be a Representative. If 51% of our Reps decided that Pauly Shore is the speaker then he's the speaker.
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A few more votes where it looked possible and the (slim) hope was that Boehner would withdraw.
Electing Pelosi wasn't a horrible idea. She still would not get to form committees and any procedural hurdle she would erect as speaker they Republicans had the votes to over-ride. Would have made for an interesting bit of drama. Would have looked sort of bi-partisan. And I like the "Fuck-it...what's the difference between a senile Pelosi and a senile Boenher?!??"
Electing Pelosi wasn't a horrible idea. She still would not get to form committees and any procedural hurdle she would erect as speaker they Republicans had the votes to over-ride. Would have made for an interesting bit of drama. Would have looked sort of bi-partisan. And I like the "Fuck-it...what's the difference between a senile Pelosi and a senile Boenher?!??"
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My point Query is that as far as I can find (so feel free to find the rule that I'm wrong) is that had the Republicans split evenly Nancy wouldn't have won because it's not like a Presidential election where the one with the most votes wins. You need a majority of voting Reps. Which answers your question on why the number was wonky based on people stuck in the snow. If you can't or don't vote you don't count towards the majority. I spent a fair chunk of yesterday trying to find the law and failed.
I did find that it used to be done by ballot and now it's by role call and it's basically formality. Everybody knows who's gonna win.
Why would Boehner even withdraw? Not that he actually can.
I did find that it used to be done by ballot and now it's by role call and it's basically formality. Everybody knows who's gonna win.
Why would Boehner even withdraw? Not that he actually can.
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Again I assume over the next 48 months you'll have 25 people who lost shit they had or should have had?
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Exactly, they would get arrested for political opposition. Here they just lose some committee assignments -- which would be a predictable sanction in practically any republic's legislature. To liken what Boehner's doing to Commie tactics is a dumb and dishonest comparison.
Hm. Having failed to change the leadership, the far-RW of the Congressional Pubs is forming a new club, to the right of the Republican Study Committee.
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The article is bullshit. No one drinks lemonade with snicker-doodles. It makes the lemonade too sour by comparison. Doh!
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Just cus I find you to be an honest Right Winger are we agreeing that the Republicans could have split the vote with minimal actual harm? As in Pelosi wouldn't have won even in the scenario where the repubs were split 50/50 and the dems went 100% in?
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I think that is right, but i honestly do not know what the rule is. I think that to be speaker you have to garner 50% of 435 votes which is what? 218, I think.
If as you suggest the Republicans went 50/50 (don't know the number) but it is less than 218, so Pelosi is in the lead but there is a re-ballot until someone gets 218. If Boehner never gets to 218, there is no Speaker from some obscure rule.
I don't know how that works, if there is no Speaker.
I think R has maybe 249 seats, lets say. If 32 Rs had defected, Boehner is considered to have had a vote of "no confidence" but it does not have the same stigma that such a thing has in England where you have multiple parties and alignments can shift with the enemy of your enemy and that sort of thing.
The hope is that Boehner would decline to participate in a second ballot to unite the party. Fat chance of that, frankly.
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